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Bobbin Threadbare posted:.China is actually square under the thumb of the secret societies. I've never received this interpretation before? How do you back up that claim? I thought Captain Zhou was the only one corrupted. If the government was under control, why would they need to kidnap Capt. Zhou's daughter? And what about the wise bartender who takes about China being the last free place?
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:I've never received this interpretation before? How do you back up that claim? I thought Captain Zhou was the only one corrupted. If the government was under control, why would they need to kidnap Capt. Zhou's daughter? And what about the wise bartender who takes about China being the last free place? Hong Kong's still got its own thing going on in spite of being controlled by China (hence needing any UNATCO intervention at all), and the bartender is either full of poo poo, nationalistic and wrong, or else it's something else that got changed somewhere between the Deus Ex Bible and the game's release.
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Apr 3, 2014 01:17
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How did I miss this thread for so long?! This is fantastic Bobbin. Of course the downside of this is now I have to wait for updates like all the regular people. 
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Apr 3, 2014 04:11
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It's a ways away, but today really made me think of one of the best lines from a conversation in Hong Kong, "The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power." Goddamn this game creeps me out sometimes, in light of recent Supreme Court rulings.  Also I'm really pleased that you're hitting all the conversation options on people. I can't count how many times I've played through this game, but you're hitting dialogue I've never seen at times and that's really, really cool. Edit: I think in terms of the recent conversation, we're supposed to see that the bartender is "correct" in that China remains autonomous. Outside VersaLife, the soldiers are all Chinese soldiers, not UN. China is nominally in charge, and the Chinese military and police, while in the pay of Maggie, aren't under the direct control of MJ12 and so on (just on the payroll of Maggie: they don't know she's representing Page et al). So we're supposed to go "oh, well, China is still free, but even that's not true freedom because there are soldiers in the streets." Paramemetic fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 05:51
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Pssst, Bobbin, you've probably not noticed but government cyber-agents have digitally added a coda to your latest video wherein a weak impostor pretends that the earlier truth bombs you revealed are intentional lies. Don't let them succeed in their attempts to discredit you, man: fight the future!
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Apr 3, 2014 13:06
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Paramemetic posted:It's a ways away, but today really made me think of one of the best lines from a conversation in Hong Kong, "The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power." Yeah, I'm still amazed how much of the things thought to be impossible in 2000 the game managed to get right. The most glaring thing they missed is the importance of the UN in DX world - it's still a joke.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:10
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Gantolandon posted:Yeah, I'm still amazed how much of the things thought to be impossible in 2000 the game managed to get right. The most glaring thing they missed is the importance of the UN in DX world - it's still a joke. It's starting to get more proactive lately, but even in DX it only has power because the underlying conspiracies (that actually exist!) decided to use it as a vehicle to conceal their movements.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:36
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You can get bugged skill points for killing every npc on the map. In the ton hotel where jojo is, drop all your eapons except the pistol, pick it up and give it to the dad. While all NPC's are green status shoot um all. Also, you can get exactly 2300 credits from hong kong, enough to buy the lams in hells kitchen later on. You have to kill everyone though. You also have to have max computer skills.
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Apr 4, 2014 04:35
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Gantolandon posted:Yeah, I'm still amazed how much of the things thought to be impossible in 2000 the game managed to get right.  3.95/gallon, 4.05 for premium. The bleak and dystopian cyberpunk future, ladies and gentlemen.
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Apr 4, 2014 06:58
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Sam Hall posted:
I live in Norway, so our prices are already hosed. How does this compare to american prices now/back in 1999? Mordaedil fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 07:08
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Now? That's a bit higher than they are where I am in the states (NY). Back in 99, though, gas was like a buck a gallon at times.
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Apr 4, 2014 07:13
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Mordaedil posted:I love in Norway, so our prices are already hosed. How does this compare to american prices now/back in 1999? Yeah, that would have been unthinkable in the 90s. I remember when gas prices first started to hit $2/gallon, there were stations that simply didn't have the plastic numbers they needed to post those prices. I mean, obviously gas prices would never hit that stratospheric height; why would you ever need a dollars-place sized 2? Around the time this game came out, I remember filling up for around 90 cents a gallon. 85 cents wasn't unheard of if you went somewhere a bit rural.
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Apr 4, 2014 09:13
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Cooked Auto posted:The amount of sinister glee that poured out from his crazy voice was just amazing and I just found myself laughing as he kept going and going. I thought it started really well (and over all was pretty good) but the laughing was a bit much. It's just the stereotypical "this is how crazy people sound" laugh that isn't at all realistic. People who genuinely believe conspiracy theories like those aren't laughing about it.
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Apr 4, 2014 11:11
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Ometeotl posted:Now? That's a bit higher than they are where I am in the states (NY). Back in 99, though, gas was like a buck a gallon at times. I think this is some form of dumb humor that a lot of American pieces of media try for. I still remember the 2007 rendition of I Am Legend had a scene of Neville siphoning gas at a gas station, only for the camera to pan back to let the audience see that the prices were about 9 dollars a gallon. Those prices were supposed to be in 2009 though, and the real-world recession that we hit in 2008 essentially reset gas prices to how they had been back in the 90s, at least in my area. So now we're in 2014 and gas prices are still about 3.50 a gallon. People are really, really bad at predicting those things, I feel. 
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Apr 4, 2014 12:51
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To be fair, that was a movie about the end of the world. With supply and demand being a thing, I wouldn't be surprised if some gas stations just started gouging people and making them pay $9 a gallon.
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Apr 4, 2014 13:48
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Sam Hall posted:
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Apr 4, 2014 14:00
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:six tenths? It's a compromise.
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Apr 4, 2014 14:18
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Tiggum posted:I thought it started really well (and over all was pretty good) but the laughing was a bit much. It's just the stereotypical "this is how crazy people sound" laugh that isn't at all realistic. People who genuinely believe conspiracy theories like those aren't laughing about it. It's a good thing I wasn't going for realism, then. If I had I'd have done the whole thing straight-faced (straight-voiced?) and you guys wouldn't have realized anything was wrong until you noticed everything I said was grade-A batshit.
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Apr 4, 2014 14:46
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I dunno, that would also have been funny, in a John Hodgman, Jorge Luis Borges sort of way.
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Apr 4, 2014 15:08
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Akratic Method posted:Yeah, that would have been unthinkable in the 90s. I remember when gas prices first started to hit $2/gallon, there were stations that simply didn't have the plastic numbers they needed to post those prices. I mean, obviously gas prices would never hit that stratospheric height; why would you ever need a dollars-place sized 2? I did a Google search and found this article. Nightmare prices, indeed.
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Apr 4, 2014 15:14
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:It's a good thing I wasn't going for realism, then. If I had I'd have done the whole thing straight-faced (straight-voiced?) and you guys wouldn't have realized anything was wrong until you noticed everything I said was grade-A batshit. I hope you appreciate how much I wish you did that.
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Apr 4, 2014 16:03
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senae posted:I hope you appreciate how much I wish you did that. I know it could have worked, but I wanted to stretch myself and I rarely have the excuse.
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Apr 4, 2014 16:19
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Mordaedil posted:I did a Google search and found this article. Well, sure in a country with socialism. Everything's nightmarish there, as every true 'murrcan knows.
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Apr 4, 2014 17:59
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Isn't the 6/10 or 9/10 of a cent on gas prices here in Murkah a ye olde tyme road maintenance tax that's just sort of stuck around? It made more sense back when a penny could actually buy you something, like a piece of candy.
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Apr 4, 2014 19:20
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Pvt.Scott posted:Isn't the 6/10 or 9/10 of a cent on gas prices here in Murkah a ye olde tyme road maintenance tax that's just sort of stuck around? It made more sense back when a penny could actually buy you something, like a piece of candy. I think the point is it has never, ever, been anything other than 9/10.
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Apr 5, 2014 00:03
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Internet Janitor posted:It's a compromise. Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh.
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Apr 5, 2014 00:42
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counterfeitsaint posted:I think the point is it has never, ever, been anything other than 9/10. It has been set at 9/10 for quite some time due to the Feds, but not always. Maybe it's a hint that the Federal government rescinded their anti-price gouging laws and everyone went back to low balling each other on the fraction.
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Apr 5, 2014 02:50
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the JJ posted:Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. I just made the connection and drat.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:08
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Internet Janitor posted:It's a compromise. Welp, my mind is blown. I...could that possibly be an intentional allusion? I don't even vaguely understand how or why, but who knows with this game.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:50
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Isn't 6/10 the size tag on the Mad Hatter's hat, or was it the other way 'round?
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EvilUrchin posted:Welp, my mind is blown. I...could that possibly be an intentional allusion? I don't even vaguely understand how or why, but who knows with this game. I'm pretty sure it's intentional. The why part should be obvious: slavery to corporations/government/illuminati/ect. is a major theme of cyberpunk in general and Deus Ex is no exception.
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Apr 5, 2014 04:07
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Prav posted:I just made the connection and drat. EvilUrchin posted:Welp, my mind is blown. I...could that possibly be an intentional allusion? I don't even vaguely understand how or why, but who knows with this game. What the poo poo are you people talking about.
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Apr 5, 2014 04:21
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Xander77 posted:What the poo poo are you people talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise VVV Those are the same fraction. VVV
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Apr 5, 2014 04:24
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What the gently caress is 6/10ths, anyway? Surely it should be 3/5ths? e: okay, I get it now. My confusion was because I'm used to parsimony in fractional representation BlitzkriegOfColour fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Apr 5, 2014 |
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Apr 5, 2014 04:24
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Punting posted:Isn't 6/10 the size tag on the Mad Hatter's hat, or was it the other way 'round? It's 10/6, and that's price, not size. English currency was all sorts of complicated before they decimalized it.
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Apr 5, 2014 04:45
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What's so complicated? 12 d (pennies) to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound. Three pennies to the thrupenny bit, that was the coin you'd put in a Christmas pudding. 5 shillings to the crown, but the crown was only usually commemorative. The half-crown was more common, that was 2/6 (which is how you'd write shillings and sixpence). There was also the guinea (21 shillings, or £1 1/-, usually for horse sales with the 21st shilling going to the auctioneer as commission), the ha'penny (2 to a penny) and the farthing (2 to a ha'penny). In modern times it's just 100p to the £, and several things that used to be shillings (such as a toll booth I'll be going through soon which was set up by Act of Parliament) are now just 5p. You might have heard of a sovereign, those just have a face value of a pound but are made of gold, so don't spend 'em.
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So is there any actual reason the gas station would read $4.05 6/10? Or are we all just spergin' out over a texture artist completely random use of numbers? Or is the true and ultimate aim of the Illuminati/Tri-Lateral/Bilderberg/Alien conspiracy not only to introduce a one world currency, but to make that one world currency theImperial English system. A monetary system so terrifyingly obtuse the power of world commerce will be left in the hands of the rich and educated few, because everyone else will be to drat confused to successfully buy or sell anything.
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Apr 6, 2014 02:39
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Dabir posted:What's so complicated? 12 d (pennies) to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound. Three pennies to the thrupenny bit, that was the coin you'd put in a Christmas pudding. 5 shillings to the crown, but the crown was only usually commemorative. The half-crown was more common, that was 2/6 (which is how you'd write shillings and sixpence). There was also the guinea (21 shillings, or £1 1/-, usually for horse sales with the 21st shilling going to the auctioneer as commission), the ha'penny (2 to a penny) and the farthing (2 to a ha'penny). In modern times it's just 100p to the £, and several things that used to be shillings (such as a toll booth I'll be going through soon which was set up by Act of Parliament) are now just 5p. You might have heard of a sovereign, those just have a face value of a pound but are made of gold, so don't spend 'em. See, people had a simple, common sense system that worked for the common man. What did big government do? Come in and complicate things with their "litres" and "kilograms." How many bottlesworth is in a litre anyway?
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Frontspac posted:So is there any actual reason the gas station would read $4.05 6/10? Or are we all just spergin' out over a texture artist completely random use of numbers? Occasionally price per gallon in the US gets fractionalized. Usually you see it in the signs that say 3.99 (9/10) because poo poo who want's to pay 4 bucks a gallon for gas. Seriously I've never seen one of those that wasn't (9/10), but I could see 6/10ths being rolled out if, say, the Shell down the street had 7/10. I thought the people making the compromise comment were just being terribly funny, in that uggggggggggggggggggggh punny way.
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Pvt.Scott posted:See, people had a simple, common sense system that worked for the common man. What did big government do? Come in and complicate things with their "litres" and "kilograms." How many bottlesworth is in a litre anyway? 3 Hampsteads and a McGillicutty. Of course, that's assume you're using an urban hectare instead of the rural.
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