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mdemone posted:That rear end in a top hat's name cannot actually be Nimrod Weiner. I refuse to believe it. http://www.newtowncommunitychiropractic.com.au/Newtown_Community_Chiropractic/about_us.html
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Here's something to cheer everyone up: http://www.amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897
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Apr 3, 2014 07:58
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: I respect the freedom of speech, but I think there ought to be a limit. This sort of utter rubbish literally leads to people dying or at least suffering a great deal. Should this not be disallowed by the "fire in a crowded theatre" principle? This nonsense is costing lives. I don't know... it's just so frustrating to see people playing dice with the lives of their children. Ironically, most of these useless bellends were probably vaccinated themselves.
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Apr 3, 2014 08:17
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: Thank you for reminding me that I need to go get an MMR shot. 
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Apr 3, 2014 08:21
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PT6A posted:I respect the freedom of speech, but I think there ought to be a limit. This sort of utter rubbish literally leads to people dying or at least suffering a great deal. Should this not be disallowed by the "fire in a crowded theatre" principle? This nonsense is costing lives. I don't know... it's just so frustrating to see people playing dice with the lives of their children. Ironically, most of these useless bellends were probably vaccinated themselves. The existence of a fire or not is a provable fact - lie and someone gets hurt then you are liable. What this piece of [xxx] did was write a book [and I just guessing here - because well Tfu; Dr] which is basically almost argument free fact-less drivel. Or which says yes if you get sick and you will (probably) get better and then you have a stronger immune system and that is good; while completely ignoring the you will wish you were dead for 2 weeks or so and you might actually die and if you have this vaccine (which might also kill you but with a much lower probability) you can avoid all of that part. If the book is rubbish and factless then she can sprout all the nonsense she wants. It's like some cultist writing a book. If the book makes unreasonable judgement calls or skewing results then its just like that other Australian author Ian Plimer writing on climate change. If the book contains deliberate lies then she's screwed. Hypation fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 12:10
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: Huh. I wonder how Melanie's Marvelous Permanent Hearing Loss And/Or Blindness is working out for her. Or Melanie's Marvelous Months She Missed School In Agony. I hate people.
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AlistairCookie posted:Huh. I wonder how Melanie's Marvelous Permanent Hearing Loss And/Or Blindness is working out for her. Or Melanie's Marvelous Months She Missed School In Agony. yeah seriously why be a paedophile and risk all that jail time when you can gently caress more kids this way and get paid for it by their parents?
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Apr 3, 2014 14:11
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 THE BAD REVIEWS ALL SOUND THE SAME LOL smh.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:16
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SedanChair posted:
 Stop the planet, I want off.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:19
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: Melanie's slow and agonizing death. Seriously, how do people get around to praising diseases that our grandparents feared beyond all else?
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Apr 3, 2014 15:09
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gently caress. Someone with contagious measles visited all the Seattle tourist spots, including a concert at key arena and pike place market. I want to check if I have real immunity, is that just a test I can ask for at the lab at my doctors office? I work in that area. 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:29
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Tigntink posted:gently caress. Someone with contagious measles visited all the Seattle tourist spots, including a concert at key arena and pike place market. You can ask for an antibody titer test; I don't know how common they are or how much they cost. Probably not cheap though.
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SedanChair posted:
The only comfort I draw is that there were like 30 1-star reviews calling the author a moron for every 1 like this idiot. I hope this woman never has children. "I do my own research! My lack of medical training CLEARLY is compensated for by my gut feelings!"
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Tigntink posted:gently caress. Someone with contagious measles visited all the Seattle tourist spots, including a concert at key arena and pike place market. Yeah, like Rhandhali said, you can just ask whatever doctor or NP or PA you normally see for a titer on whatever immunizations you're wanting to check up on. It's a routine test for any lab. Your insurance may cover it anyway. At the very least you will get billed at the contracted rate for your carrier, as opposed to the self pay rate, but you can ask your doctor if it will be billed in a way that makes it likely to be covered--and check with your plan. Be sure your stuff gets sent to an in-network lab. (Check with your plan to see what's in network.) I hate our healthcare system so much.
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Wait, measles is benign? Quick, someone tell my grandmother! You can't. She went deaf after contracting the measles.
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Lid posted:http://www.newtowncommunitychiropractic.com.au/Newtown_Community_Chiropractic/about_us.html  "Hi, I'm Nimrod Weiner. I was teased mercilessly in primary school. Let me tell you how vaccines will harm your kids"
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Apr 3, 2014 23:35
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: I posted a troll review praising the book and my amazon reviewer ranking hasn't recovered since.
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Apr 3, 2014 23:36
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http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html Appologies if already posted, I couldn't see it in the thread. Its a good summary of what a crook Wakefield was  
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: Melanie's Moronic Mass-Murdering Mother
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Apr 4, 2014 02:15
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Silver Nitrate posted:Here's something to cheer everyone up: Somebody actually thinks the measles are a good thing. And wrote a book about it. Obama, please attack Russia tomorrow and trigger MAD, you'd be doing this godforsaken planet a favor.
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It's been about 2 generations since the widespread of vaccine use in the developed world, so way too many middle class parents think that the stuff they read in the internet about how vaccines are dangerous means that it would be safer to let their child get the disease. We have a entire generation of parents who've never experienced any of these diseases thanks to vaccinations and think of them as a minor illness that every child should just get once and then be fine, like chicken pox. That and their general stupidity. Dr. Paul Offit invented the rotavirus vaccine and has been quite outspoken about the importance of vaccinations, so anti-vaxs will routinely call his office and demand he see their autistic kid, and when the secretary tells them "Well, he's not a pediatrician, he's a research scientist" they then take that back to their like minded people and claim that someone who doesn't see sick kids in person clearly doesn't know anything about vaccines or autism. pentyne fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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smilingfish posted:
And that's why he wants to kill kids. Its all coming together now!
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My town has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Australia, so much so that there is currently a public health campaign aimed specifically at 'alternative lifestyle' anti vaxxers. Of course they got vandalized by AVN idiots. 
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Tomberforce posted:My town has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Australia, so much so that there is currently a public health campaign aimed specifically at 'alternative lifestyle' anti vaxxers. Of course they got vandalized by AVN idiots. Fortunately, they haven't learned how to make their vandalism text stand out on an image. Someone needs to spend more time making memes! 
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Tomberforce posted:My town has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Australia, so much so that there is currently a public health campaign aimed specifically at 'alternative lifestyle' anti vaxxers. Of course they got vandalized by AVN idiots. AVN? What's the Angry Videogame Nerd have to do with this? Did they finally make a vaccine for lovely old Nintendo games?!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:AVN? What's the Angry Videogame Nerd have to do with this? Did they finally make a vaccine for lovely old Nintendo games?! Formerly there was a group titled the "Australian Vaccination Network". Good name right? Especially for a group that was vehemently anti-vaccination. They would spread propaganda using a name that on the surface appeared to be vaccination education. Eventually the government took a hammer to them and now they are the Australian Vaccination-Skeptics Network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Vaccination-Skeptics_Network http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Vaccination-Skeptics_Network#Complaints.2C_investigations_and_criticisms http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...2-1226858788924 http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...lient=firefox-a
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We're currently dealing with the results of this in Calgary, where we've had two recent measles cases lately. People have been warned about exposure at one high school and two restaurants, and non-vaccinated students are not being permitted to attend the high school in question for a month. Now, if I were a perfectly selfish person, I wouldn't really care. I was vaccinated, because my parents weren't irretrievably loving stupid and I had no contra-indications. However, this is not the case for people who, for whatever reason, can't be vaccinated. It's one thing to gamble with your own life, but it really pisses me off when you gamble with other people's lives. Meanwhile, these loving idiots are being aided and abetted by our public health authorities. Both our provincial minister for health and various opposition critics, one of whom was a doctor, have said that, well, we don't really need to make vaccination mandatory. Yes, we loving do, and if you don't like it you can get the gently caress out of my city, province and country and move to some third-world poo poo-hole where you can die of easily preventable diseases to your heart's content. I wonder if these imbeciles are going to pay for the loss of business suffered by the two restaurants that are now associated with "measles" in the mind of the public.
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"If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
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PT6A posted:We're currently dealing with the results of this in Calgary, where we've had two recent measles cases lately. People have been warned about exposure at one high school and two restaurants, and non-vaccinated students are not being permitted to attend the high school in question for a month. Now, if I were a perfectly selfish person, I wouldn't really care. I was vaccinated, because my parents weren't irretrievably loving stupid and I had no contra-indications. However, this is not the case for people who, for whatever reason, can't be vaccinated. It's one thing to gamble with your own life, but it really pisses me off when you gamble with other people's lives. This is pretty much my stance. There are people who genuinely cannot get the vaccines because of health reasons (compromised immune systems and what have you) so their safety is directly tied with the fact that everyone else is vaccinated so the diseases can't get a foothold and effect them. You know, the entire basis of Herd Immunity. Anti-Vaxxers should really be prosecuted as the murderers they are because it's not their lives they're gambling with, for the most part.
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Ddraig posted:This is pretty much my stance. There are people who genuinely cannot get the vaccines because of health reasons (compromised immune systems and what have you) so their safety is directly tied with the fact that everyone else is vaccinated so the diseases can't get a foothold and effect them. You know, the entire basis of Herd Immunity. Even excluding the people who can't get it, there's still a lot of people alive who never got the vaccine. I was talking with my Dad today, and I wasn't sure of the timing of the vaccine release, but he was born 9 years before the measles vaccine came out. He was saying that, when he was growing up, he basically was sent to play with kids who had the measles so he'd get it early. He never did, after multiple attempts (where the other kids who got sent to the same thing did get infected), so my grandparents assumed he had some sort of immunity. Perhaps he caught it and was never symptomatic (this happened with me and chicken pox; I have the antibodies, confirmed by a lab, despite never having the disease nor the vaccine). The end result is that he's 60 years old, and doesn't know if he is or isn't protected. I talked to another of my friends, who's 62, and he said he had the measles, so presumably he's safe. I have a lot more sympathy for people who weren't vaccinated because they were born well before the vaccine even existed, than I do for parents who don't want their kids vaccinated. I suppose they could get themselves vaccinated now, but it's still an issue of a passivity (choosing not to be vaccinated after the fact) versus an active choice to deny your own children immunity to a dangerous disease, when it's provided easily and for free. gently caress, the sheer loving ignorance makes me want to crack a few heads. And I think my Dad should probably get himself at least blood tested for antibodies, and possibly vaccinated thereafter. Unvaccinated folk are probably at more risk now than any time in the previous 5 decades.
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Lid posted:Formerly there was a group titled the "Australian Vaccination Network". Good name right? Especially for a group that was vehemently anti-vaccination. They would spread propaganda using a name that on the surface appeared to be vaccination education. Eventually the government took a hammer to them and now they are the Australian Vaccination-Skeptics Network. That goes down in the USA when pro-lifers start their own abortion clinics. The US government does nothing usually.
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Lid posted:Formerly there was a group titled the "Australian Vaccination Network". Good name right? Especially for a group that was vehemently anti-vaccination. They would spread propaganda using a name that on the surface appeared to be vaccination education. Eventually the government took a hammer to them and now they are the Australian Vaccination-Skeptics Network. Which might seem like a win, but the Australian Skeptics were one of the major groups fighting their bullshit in the first place. So now the anti-vaxxers are both thumbing their nose at the Skeptics and using the Skeptics' reputation to keep promoting their bullshit. I'd applaud their gumption if they weren't hell bent on hurting children.
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Pretty relevant to Australia and our goon who had a situation similar to this.quote:A western Sydney father has won the right to vaccinate his children after a drawn-out legal battle with their mother, who is strongly opposed to immunisation. http://www.theage.com.au/national/court-grants-father-right-to-vaccinate-his-children-20140405-365p8.html
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Eej posted:Pretty relevant to Australia and our goon who had a situation similar to this. I'm glad to see that my stance of "If I ever have children they will never be able to play with unvaccinated children unless there is actual medical proof that they can't be" seems to work. It sucks for the kids but any rational parents will realize they are being dolts when their kids have no friends.
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If you truly believed that you were saving your child from horrible illness, I don't think your kid's lack of social life would do much to change your mind.
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MisterBadIdea posted:If you truly believed that you were saving your child from horrible illness, I don't think your kid's lack of social life would do much to change your mind. Nope but just like reporting every other form of abuse and neglect it helps to establish a pattern that makes it easier for the courts to make the right determination.
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MisterBadIdea posted:If you truly believed that you were saving your child from horrible illness, I don't think your kid's lack of social life would do much to change your mind. Usually both parents aren't bat poo poo insane. Someone has to be normal enough to pay the bills.
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One thing I started thinking about today was that the contemporary anti-vaccination movement in the United States started about the same time that DTC pharmaceutical ads started. I think there might be some connection here. I am not at all an anti-vaccinator, but some of the arguments against them seem to ignore a lot of content. For example, in the United States, pharmaceutical companies have been marketing advertisements for pharmaceuticals rather aggressively via television ads. Many people have criticized these ads for being misleading, downplaying side-effects, or promoting drugs that are not much more effective than older, cheaper medicines (Nexium vs. Prilosec, for example). Most of these ads are also just...cheesy. Over the course of a decade, people have grown a little calloused to pharmaceutical companies claiming that things are problems and then slickly offering a cure that is probably not as effective, safe or cheap as they make it out to be. Pharmaceutical companies do lie and mislead consumers. I don't think I am going out on a limb by saying that. I don't think vaccinations are one of the dangerous products. I actually think it is kind of weird that vaccinations have gotten to be an issue, in a way that acetameniphen isn't. The argument is that vaccinations cause autism, based on scare evidence, while people have proof that acetameniphen kills thousands of people a year in the US. But I still can't blame people too much for assuming that pharmaceutical companies are lying about vaccines. Pharmaceutical companies do lie and mislead about other products, and after being bombarded with lies, I can't blame someone for not being able to tell the difference between a lie and a truth. I think that if things like DTC pharmaceutical ads were banned (as they are in every first world country besides the United States and New Zealand), we would have less cynicism of people towards medical procedures and products that actually are needed.
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glowing-fish posted:One thing I started thinking about today was that the contemporary anti-vaccination movement in the United States started about the same time that DTC pharmaceutical ads started. I think there might be some connection here. Sorry if I don't get all the details right here, but: there was a researched/medical practitioner by the name of Andrew Wakefield who basically made up a whole bunch of bs research that proved there was a relationship between MMR vaccines and autism and published a paper on it in a medical journal. He had a medical treatment or something that would make him a lot of money riding on it, other researchers couldn't reproduce his findings, it was found that he basically lied about the participants and other info. His paper was removed from the journal and he was barred from practicing medicine in the UK where all this went down. This one lying fucker is what started the whole big controversy - and I'm not saying that distrust of pharmaceutical companies doesn't have something to do with it, or didn't contribute to a decline in vaccinations, but this one guy is essentially the source of it. And he still insists to this day that he was right. When anti-vaccers say that "a study" found that vaccines cause autism, this is the study they're talking about. And to certain people, who are ignorant or misinformed or are just willfully stupid on this one subject, this is enough evidence to put their children (and any other children) in danger. Because it was proven in a study, you see. I don't know if you were already aware of this guy but if you weren't, now you are.
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SwingShift posted:Sorry if I don't get all the details right here, but: there was a researched/medical practitioner by the name of Andrew Wakefield who basically made up a whole bunch of bs research that proved there was a relationship between MMR vaccines and autism and published a paper on it in a medical journal. He had a medical treatment or something that would make him a lot of money riding on it, other researchers couldn't reproduce his findings, it was found that he basically lied about the participants and other info. His paper was removed from the journal and he was barred from practicing medicine in the UK where all this went down. This one lying fucker is what started the whole big controversy - and I'm not saying that distrust of pharmaceutical companies doesn't have something to do with it, or didn't contribute to a decline in vaccinations, but this one guy is essentially the source of it. And he still insists to this day that he was right. He didn't have a treatment. The profit on his side would come in lawsuits against vaccine makers, where he would serve as the "Expert" that argued that vaccines caused autism.
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