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The bigger problem for the Democrats in 2012 was that, by holding their convention in a right to work state, they angered the service unions who represent hotel and event workers who then refused to contribute to the convention, forcing the party to cancel some of the lead up events. Congress also just voted to eliminate the federal contribution to convention funding (most of which went to security) so the parties will have to foot the bill for the whole shebang in 2016.
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Skwirl posted:Oh yeah. Funnily enough, it went red and Florida, where the Republicans held their convention, went blue. I think that's an argument for not having your convention in a swing state, because it doesn't seem to actually help at all. I think that choice of convention venue, like choice of vice-presidential candidate, is one of those things that insiders and wonks sometimes think is meaningful, but that probably doesn't matter to the average person. the Democrats holding their convention in North Carolina probably shifted even fewer votes there than Paul Ryan being on the ticket shifted in Wisconsin.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:22
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Joementum posted:The bigger problem for the Democrats in 2012 was that, by holding their convention in a right to work state, they angered the service unions who represent hotel and event workers who then refused to contribute to the convention, forcing the party to cancel some of the lead up events. In a hilarious converse, Las Vegas is a highly unionized town. Hope all the delegates enjoy saliva in their food!
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Apr 3, 2014 02:27
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Joementum posted:
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Apr 3, 2014 02:36
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Pook Good Mook posted:Good. It is good. But don't worry, the state taxpayers will still pay through the nose in the form of a massive police presence that will beat down any protesters that dare to get within hearing of the convention. Police who also get massive federal grants by the way, so you're paying for it no matter what.
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Apr 3, 2014 04:07
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Joementum posted:Congress also just voted to eliminate the federal contribution to convention funding (most of which went to security) so the parties will have to foot the bill for the whole shebang in 2016. Don't worry guys, ADM and the Kochs have got this! 
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Apr 3, 2014 04:08
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Saw Sanders on Fox the other day, he's pretty clearly running for president. Hope he does the Dem primaries so there's an actual challenge from the left for Hillary.
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Apr 3, 2014 04:16
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Saw Sanders on Fox the other day, he's pretty clearly running for president. Hope he does the Dem primaries so there's an actual challenge from the left for Hillary. It'll make the primary more entertaining, but if Romney taught us one thing, it's that you can tack centre after defending your flank for months and most voters won't notice.
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Apr 3, 2014 04:21
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Sanders is the only US politician that I would put in manhours for to try and get elected.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:04
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:It'll make the primary more entertaining, but if Romney taught us one thing, it's that you can tack centre after defending your flank for months and most voters won't notice. Romney taught Americans how to lose really badly at an election.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:08
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Skwirl posted:Oh yeah. Funnily enough, it went red and Florida, where the Republicans held their convention, went blue. I think that's an argument for not having your convention in a swing state, because it doesn't seem to actually help at all. They should just go back to chasing their white whale and have it in Philadelphia again.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:51
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Joementum posted:The bigger problem for the Democrats in 2012 was that, by holding their convention in a right to work state, they angered the service unions who represent hotel and event workers who then refused to contribute to the convention, forcing the party to cancel some of the lead up events.
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Apr 3, 2014 07:51
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skaboomizzy posted:2004 in NYC was a special case for obvious reasons (NEVER FORGET). Obama won NC in 2008 by a razor thin margin and 2012 was projected to be just as close and possibly more crucial. North Carolina was not important in either 2008 or 2012. In 2012 Obama won the national popular vote by four points and lost North Carolina by two, which to say that it was a full six points more Republican than the nation as a whole (same was true in 2008). The convention being held in NC was more out of respect for how far the Democrats had come there, not because of electoral strategy, which would suggest somewhere in Virginia or Ohio.
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Apr 3, 2014 08:28
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Allen West has some suggestions for 2016.quote:“What type of gimmick will we rush to accept as a leader regardless of qualification, leadership, or principles? The first Hispanic president? The first gay president? The first transgender president? The first Muslim president? (Oh, wait…) How long will we follow destructive cults of personality just to appease the gods of political correctness?”
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Miltank posted:Sanders is the only US politician that I would put in manhours for to try and get elected. Maybe for Governor of [New England State] but the dude seems pretty naive regarding racial issues.
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Apr 3, 2014 12:12
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:It'll make the primary more entertaining, but if Romney taught us one thing, it's that you can tack centre after defending your flank for months and most voters won't notice. Except that they did notice and he lost horribly? computer parts posted:Maybe for Governor of [New England State] but the dude seems pretty naive regarding racial issues. Have you been to Vermont? There was a Stormfront thread discussing where they could all move for maximum whiteness and Vermont was first to be considered but got axed because hippies. SavageBastard fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 12:45
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SavageBastard posted:Except that they did notice and he lost horribly? His loss wasn't because of a lack of conservative support for him, nor was he subject to relentless grilling as a "flip flopper" by the media.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:55
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Joementum posted:Allen West has some suggestions for 2016. Wait, Allen. Now you're telling me that we HAVEN'T already elected the first Muslim president? I guess two years out of office and you really can lose touch with your core constituency.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:19
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Pretty sure that's what the (Oh, wait...) is supposed to mean.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:50
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Joementum posted:Allen West has some suggestions for 2016.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:18
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Joementum posted:Allen West has some suggestions for 2016. What's next, a war criminal president? (Oh, wait)
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Apr 3, 2014 17:13
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Joementum posted:I bet the Cincinnati boosters are bummed that Newt isn't going to have much influence in 2016. They've got a really nice zoo that's worth visiting if you're in the area. I really hope he looks at the current crop of clowns predicted to run and decides gently caress it, why not, so we can get more intergalactic domination plans out of him (also space zoos).
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Apr 3, 2014 17:39
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Zero_Grade posted:I really hope he looks at the current crop of clowns predicted to run and decides gently caress it, why not, so we can get more intergalactic domination plans out of him (also space zoos). And 10 year old janitors to keep them clean and earn their lunch.
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Apr 3, 2014 17:42
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Someone on my feed just said Sanders was a corrupt politician because unions gave him $7m for re-election. Oh my god.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:08
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Beamed posted:Someone on my feed just said Sanders was a corrupt politician because unions gave him $7m for re-election. Oh my god. Just tell that person Justice Roberts said that there is no reason that giving money to a politician for elections means that politician will do anything for the giver.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:14
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Radish posted:Just tell that person Justice Roberts said that there is no reason that giving money to a politician for elections means that politician will do anything for the giver. And then watch as they handwave it away in a stunning lack of cognitive dissonance. What I am saying is, unfriend/unsubscribe all these people and never look back.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:18
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Joementum posted:The 2016 RNC will be in Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Kansas City, or Las Vegas. Cowards! Running away from Poseidon's wrath like a bunch of Corinthians. They should hold it in Houston or Miami and dare the hurricanes to come.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:23
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Chokes McGee posted:And then watch as they handwave it away in a stunning lack of cognitive dissonance. You see when a GROUP of people give money to a politician that's corruption because he's being paid off. When ONE person does it, it's just that person feeling strongly about the issues! *blood starts pouring out of every facial orifice*
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Apr 3, 2014 18:24
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Radish posted:You see when a GROUP of people give money to a politician that's corruption because he's being paid off. When ONE person does it, it's just that person feeling strongly about the issues! *blood starts pouring out of every facial orifice* But groups are people, my friend.
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sullat posted:Cowards! Running away from Poseidon's wrath like a bunch of Corinthians. They should hold it in Houston or Miami and dare the hurricanes to come. Remember in 2008 when they hosted it in St. Paul and it still got interrupted by a hurricane?
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Apr 3, 2014 18:54
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Naet posted:But groups are people, my friend. Some groups are more people than others.
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Chokes McGee posted:And then watch as they handwave it away in a stunning lack of cognitive dissonance. Well, they are a group that claims to support the free market while wanting Unions to be impossible.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Remember in 2008 when they hosted it in St. Paul and it still got interrupted by a hurricane?  Holy poo poo, you're right!
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Apr 3, 2014 20:09
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Avoiding hurricane season is one of the reasons that they're bumping the convention up to early-mid June.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Remember in 2008 when they hosted it in St. Paul and it still got interrupted by a hurricane? A hurricane of angry protestors. They still haven't taken down the surveillance cameras outside of the punk bars.
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a shameful boehner posted:Does Allen West understand what the word "ronin" means? Does he understand anything? At all? Anyone who says that should get the option to be a literal slave for the low, low cost of giving up their super high tax bracket.
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made of bees posted:Pretty sure that's what the (Oh, wait...) is supposed to mean. Ah, I missed that when I read it. I was worried about West for a moment there. Good to see he hasn't actually let us down.
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Apr 3, 2014 22:27
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dilbertschalter posted:North Carolina was not important in either 2008 or 2012. In 2012 Obama won the national popular vote by four points and lost North Carolina by two, which to say that it was a full six points more Republican than the nation as a whole (same was true in 2008). The convention being held in NC was more out of respect for how far the Democrats had come there, not because of electoral strategy, which would suggest somewhere in Virginia or Ohio. What's unfortunate about Virginia is that for a large, important state, we have no big arenas. The biggest metro area is a suburb and has to go to another federal jurisdiction for entertainment and there are no pro teams (nor will there be) in the 2nd and 3rd largest metros, which are both considerably smaller than Cleveland or Cincinnati. Also one is just a big Naval base. The good thing is that, at the state level, Team Blue is doing especially well since the state GOP basically imploded last year and either chased out its most promising candidates or is watching them go to prison.
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It would be entertaining to see some second tier Virginia city expand their convention center just to accommodate a national party convention though.
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