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I was trying to remember if Jon has been named heir to Winterfell by Robb on the show but I'm drawing a blank.
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Second edition: Yes, I want feedback on #4: Alcohol poisoning. Too obvious? Is it better or worse with Robert? Joffrey getting poisoned seems like an open secret in the other thread so presenting the card as it is might tip them off. I've managed to resist putting Joffrey on the same plane as #4 just because that might be pushing it. Someone mentioned have a slot for children in danger, which I think has a lot of potential in light of the Meereen child corpses, Joffrey's death, Tommen, Sweetrobin, Rickon (if he appears), the Stark babbies in general, Hazzea, and also the actual Children of the Forest. If anyone has any ideas for face + corresponding title combo, let me know. Anyway, to address this: CapnAndy posted:How many times is "New Actor, Old Role" going to happen? Two, three max, and possibly some of them in the same episode? It's unfair. That's kind of what I'm hoping for. I'm going to be changing the card after Joffrey dies in the second episode anyway, so if we can get all three new actors for old roles (Tommen, Gregor, Daario) in the first two episodes then I can remove that one too while guaranteeing a good distribution in the early episodes. A Brienne square would make sense after Episode 2 because that's around the time that she's going to be sent out looking for Sansa and will start to do interesting stuff. I'll think about it.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:33
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I won't lie, I'll miss The Roose is Loose.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:39
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Was watching one of the new trailers and noticed two characters I can't place. Anyone out there have any clue who these two girls are? http://imgur.com/L4bVpkj http://imgur.com/UmlXLLe
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Apr 3, 2014 06:44
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ruddiger posted:Was watching one of the new trailers and noticed two characters I can't place. Anyone out there have any clue who these two girls are? The second one is one of the two (Violet?) who seduced Theon prior to his dick cut off. The first one is prey in one of Ramsay's hunting trips.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:46
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No no keep the shot of Cersei drinking for "alcohol poisoning" because that way people think it's just a funny way of saying "Cersei drinks too much" "Reek on a leash" though, that is genius 
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Apr 3, 2014 07:43
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Re: why people seem more ready to forgive Jaime than Theon. I think they key difference is that Jaime actually took actions of redemption (i.e. going back to save Brienne while he was under no obligation to do so at all) whereas Theon was just tortured. Of course, Theon hasn't had a chance at taking any meaingful action to redeem himself, but it's not outside the realm of possibility within the story's logic. Plus, while both (attempted to) kill kids to cover up a dirty secret, Theon's reason was arguably worse - he wanted people to believe he'd killed the kids. I do disagree with whoever said Theon's likely to live by the end of the series. His story arc is a shadow parallel of Jaime's in a couple of ways since the start of the War of the Five Kings. Both have fathers that spurn them despite obviously being accomplished in several areas of life, both attempt child murder, both were held captive in circumstances where they believed their life could have ended at moment's notice, both physically lose their pride (hand - cock), hell, you could make a case for both having incestuous longings. The difference is that Theon's arc represents the worse event at each point. That's why I think Jaime's arc might end with a 'Kill the King Pt II' that is horrible but ultimately justified, and that Theon's will end up with dying brutally to save someone else. e: Not to mention both their fathers die in unceremonious circumstances. Pope Hilarius II fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 08:19
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I'm kinda curious what they're going to do with a number of plots. Balon Grey almost certainly dies but they haven't cast Euron or Victarion, and Jeyne Poole isn't a real character on the show.
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the jizz taxi posted:Re: why people seem more ready to forgive Jaime than Theon. I think they key difference is that Jaime actually took actions of redemption (i.e. going back to save Brienne while he was under no obligation to do so at all) whereas Theon was just tortured. Of course, Theon hasn't had a chance at taking any meaingful action to redeem himself, but it's not outside the realm of possibility within the story's logic. Plus, while both (attempted to) kill kids to cover up a dirty secret, Theon's reason was arguably worse - he wanted people to believe he'd killed the kids. I think Cercei was manipulating Jaime, which is a mitigating factor. She was playing the battered wife desperately needing love. But she's really not capable of love and is probably psychotic. Jaime had taken vows to never have a wife, so he was sexually repressed and probably easy to sexually manipulate. Rosscifer fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 08:28
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emanresu tnuocca posted:And of course there's Tywin who's a solid general and a masterful politician, also Kevan to a lesser extent. A couple pages late but this got me thinking, is he really? Tywin I mean. Off the top of my head I don't recall him ever being shown as a particularly savvy military leader. In the rebellion his entire plan is to wait and see who wins. In the books he commands what, Blackwater which is irrelevant because of the input of the Tyrells and Tyrion's stratagem, and that one fight where he basically falls for Robb's ruse and would've lost Casterly Rock as a direct result if not for Theon's treason. A masterful politician is a given, but does he ultimately have any aptitude for warfare? I know he's talked up as being a cunning general but people being talked up by unreliable sources is a big theme in the books. That's what bothers me about the book portrayal of Jaime vis a vis his duel with Brienne, actually. There are a lot of swordsmen like The Sword of the Morning who are made up to be these near mythical figures of ultimate swordsmanship, but in the end they're all just men with swords who get killed by other men with swords. Jaime however is almost mary-sue levels of badass in the book, especially in the duel against Brienne where he seemingly has the upper hand despite being in poor condition and bound in irons. In the show he's back to the "yes you're a great fighter but so is Brienne and she has the advantage, get out of your little boy dreams" realistic approach the rest of the characters in the books are portrayed through. On the other hand, that made what followed abit more poignant which might've been the entire point.
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Hra Mormo posted:Jaime however is almost mary-sue levels of badass in the book, especially in the duel against Brienne where he seemingly has the upper hand despite being in poor condition and bound in irons. "Jaime could not have said how long he pressed the attack. It might have been minutes or it might have been hours..." That entire scene happens in Jaime's head, so I wouldn't take it at face value. Jaime naturally thinks he has the advantage in that duel, he thinks it takes longer than it actually does, and so on. It's a very skewed perspective where he notes with great relish that Brienne slipped on a root once and that he managed to get in a lucky scrape. Not until the Bloody Mummers have caught and bound them does he mention that he'd been beaten swollen and bloody.
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Apr 3, 2014 10:35
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Promethium posted:"Jaime could not have said how long he pressed the attack. It might have been minutes or it might have been hours..." Brienne also mentions in her inner monologue in her first AFFC chapter that she was struggling and that if he had been unbound and not tired she wouldn't have been a match for him
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Apr 3, 2014 10:39
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Captain_Person posted:So this is a thing they're currently doing in my city. Can't wait to see it collapse Haha, this is amazing - one of the tweets was "I wish someone would make a statue for Carl of The Walking Dead"
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Apr 3, 2014 10:49
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TOOT BOOT posted:I'm kinda curious what they're going to do with a number of plots. Balon Grey almost certainly dies but they haven't cast Euron or Victarion, and Jeyne Poole isn't a real character on the show. Balon can die in the finale (or some time close to it), and Yara can get word that her uncle has returned, so she should head home. Then at the beginning of Season 5 they can introduce him and say they already did the Kingsmoot if that really upsets people that much.
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Apr 3, 2014 11:56
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Do we learn about Balon's death before or after Joffrey's in the book?
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Apr 3, 2014 12:49
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lifts cats over head posted:Do we learn about Balon's death before or after Joffrey's in the book? Balon dies in 299 (I don't know about when we find out) while Joffrey dies in 300.
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lifts cats over head posted:Do we learn about Balon's death before or after Joffrey's in the book? Before. In fact, even Robb finds out before he dies himself.
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Rosscifer posted:I think Cercei was manipulating Jaime, which is a mitigating factor. She was playing the battered wife desperately needing love. But she's really not capable of love and is probably psychotic. Jaime had taken vows to never have a wife, so he was sexually repressed and probably easy to sexually manipulate. Eh, I think the Lannistwins are painted pretty well as having been that way their entire lives, honestly. They've always been close, but I do think it's ultimately Cersei who initiated the incest what with how loving narcissistic she is. But not after her marriage, I'm pretty sure they've been banging since they were old enough to do so.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Eh, I think the Lannistwins are painted pretty well as having been that way their entire lives, honestly. They've always been close, but I do think it's ultimately Cersei who initiated the incest what with how loving narcissistic she is. But not after her marriage, I'm pretty sure they've been banging since they were old enough to do so. Also they had sex in the Tower of the Hand so it's probable Varys/a bird/whoever was spying for him then was watching and reporting the whole Cersei's plot/incest to the Mad King and it's why he canceled the marriage. Edit: yeah, that's how Jaime remembers it in a Feast for Crows. Also Cersei told him that Tywin wanted to have Jaime marry Lysa Tully. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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TOOT BOOT posted:I'm kinda curious what they're going to do with a number of plots. Balon Grey almost certainly dies but they haven't cast Euron or Victarion, and Jeyne Poole isn't a real character on the show. There's a Jeyne Poole in the show, she just had like one line in the first episode.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:51
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Are euron and victarion going to be core to the plot of this season? Or will most of that plotline be in the next one? Guessing that the earlier parts of that story will be included Crap, I only have a few days to rewatch season 3... otherwise Im gonna be all confused
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Apr 3, 2014 14:56
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Euron and Victarion haven't even been cast yet. They're not going to be in this season at all. Some people even think one or both of them will be cut entirely.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:02
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Regy Rusty posted:Euron and Victarion haven't even been cast yet. They're not going to be in this season at all. Some people even think one or both of them will be cut entirely. Without euron/victarion, there is much less exceitement about who gets to marry Danny which sucks. It kinda makes sense if they need to make the plot more compact to fit in a finite amount of air time, they would remove that part. I am kinda concerned about the plot trimming that will start to increase as the series continues and the plot branches become more prevalent in the books
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Apr 3, 2014 15:13
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I think it makes more sense for them to be introduced next season anyway, but who knows.
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thehacker0 posted:exceitement about who gets to marry Danny There was excitement over this? Maybe two or three characters thought they were going to marry her for a couple of chapters while the reader already knows there's zero chance for any of them.
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I thought Victarion was cast already, I coulda sworn I saw a promotional picture with him on it. If Euron doesn't get cast this season or next then I'm pretty much convinced that the Iron Isles story arc isn't that important to the overall series.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:27
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There was fanart of the "oh boy it'd be so great if they cast [I forget who] as Victarion" variety that was made to look like a promo poster or something, I believe. You may be thinking of that.Steve2911 posted:There was excitement over this? Maybe two or three characters thought they were going to marry her for a couple of chapters while the reader already knows there's zero chance for any of them. The ultimate source of confusion here, of course, is that the High Valyrian word for "dead husband" can also mean "head".
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Unless Victarion turns out to be a genuine player and not just a cool oaf who has a kickin' rad viking quest that gets his eaten by a dragon it's easy to imagine Euron and Victarion being merged into the same character. Instead of having one scary Greyjoy that lurks in the shadows and sends his idiot but slightly more sympathetic brother on a fool's errand that intersects with Dany's storyline and gets him killed we could just have Euron do everything himself and not get eaten by a dragon. Of course this is all bullshit speculation cause we don't really know how Victarion's quest is gonna turn out.
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Doltos posted:I thought Victarion was cast already, I coulda sworn I saw a promotional picture with him on it. Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:There was fanart of the "oh boy it'd be so great if they cast [I forget who] as Victarion" variety that was made to look like a promo poster or something, I believe. You may be thinking of that.  Ray Stevenson Does Not Sow
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Max posted:That reminds me, I re-watched the series in the lead up to this Sunday, and I was struck by how they made the Jaime/Brienne fight go more in Brienne's favor. In the book it really seems like the fight could go either way, even with Jaime in irons. The show kind of makes him look like a buffoon in that fight. I think the fight in the books seemed like it could either way because it was from Jaime's point of view. It starts with him so happy he has a sword and gets to fight again, to realizing that hey, I'm pretty out of shape, my hands are chained and it's making this kinda hard, to oh poo poo this lady is kicking my rear end. The fight on the show is similar, just without the benefit of being inside Jaime's head.
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Well, by excitement, I guess I am referring to how the characters are on a quest for Danny's hand. Victarion, Euron, the Dornish prince and her brother are all acting based on the goal of marrying her... Not so much excitement over who will win her hand, but just the underlying reason and the potential outcomes of the competition between the potential suitors
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nopants posted:I think the fight in the books seemed like it could either way because it was from Jaime's point of view. It starts with him so happy he has a sword and gets to fight again, to realizing that hey, I'm pretty out of shape, my hands are chained and it's making this kinda hard, to oh poo poo this lady is kicking my rear end. The fight on the show is similar, just without the benefit of being inside Jaime's head. It was pointed out earlier, but Brienne reflects in a later chapter that it was a very close fight.
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Max posted:It was pointed out earlier, but Brienne reflects in a later chapter that it was a very close fight. Honestly I prefer the show version.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Unless Victarion turns out to be a genuine player and not just a cool oaf who has a kickin' rad viking quest that gets his eaten by a dragon it's easy to imagine Euron and Victarion being merged into the same character. Alternatively, some of Victarions more rebellious aspects could be merged into Asha/Yara. Of course it's as of yet unclear how her stint with Stannis will turn out, but if she does eventually escape from that then it'd be entirely possible to rearrange things in such a way that she'd be the one Euron sends down to Mereen to pick up Dany. Of course a lot depends on Euron's and Victarion's respective endgames and how that entire storyline eventually pans out, so it's all still very much in the air.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Unless Victarion turns out to be a genuine player and not just a cool oaf who has a kickin' rad viking quest that gets his eaten by a dragon it's easy to imagine Euron and Victarion being merged into the same character. Victarion seems to be aware that it's a fools errand from the get go. He just does it to get away from Euron, who he obviously hates. Victarion won't live for much longer but I'm pretty confident he's going to gently caress something up before he dies. He'll probably kill a dragon.
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last season my roommates and I bought a big ham and had a "ham of thrones" party for the premiere. this year one of my roommates (who pretty much organizes the whole thing) is going to be gone for the premiere so we're doing it next week instead. I'm the only one who's read the books and knows what's going to happen that episode and I've been struggling to keep a straight face and not say something like "it's better this way, trust me." so that's going to be a fun night 
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romanowski posted:last season my roommates and I bought a big ham and had a "ham of thrones" party for the premiere. this year one of my roommates (who pretty much organizes the whole thing) is going to be gone for the premiere so we're doing it next week instead. I'm the only one who's read the books and knows what's going to happen that episode and I've been struggling to keep a straight face and not say something like "it's better this way, trust me." so that's going to be a fun night Apparently the fight in the inn with Sandor and Arya is going to be at the end of the episode. How far are they pushing her story this season? It feels like she'll be in Braavos and blind by the 10th episode. Max fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Max posted:Apparently the fight in the inn with Sandor and Arya is going to be at the end of the episode. How far are they pushing her story this season? It feels like she'll be in Bravos and blind by the 10th episode. Well, she'll definitely be in Braavos.
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