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BiggerBoat posted:Any Republican who doubts climate change should only look at the rising costs of flood insurance, especially in coastal regions. That's the "free market" or whatever speaking loud and clear. You'd think they'd hear it. Not if you legislate to delay bringing up to date the data underlying the rates! haveblue fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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haveblue posted:Not if you legislate to delay bringing up to date the data underlying the rates! I forget, did that bill ever pass? I mean it would fly through to McCrory's desk today and get signed in the blink of an eye, but I don't remember if it got laughed down in the previous session
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Wait. Holy poo poo. They actually do that? What arguments are they using to try to say "we don't need to know this information" other than literally just that?
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haveblue posted:Not if you legislate to delay bringing up to date the data underlying the rates! Fried Chicken posted:I forget, did that bill ever pass? I mean it would fly through to McCrory's desk today and get signed in the blink of an eye, but I don't remember if it got laughed down in the previous session zxqv8 posted:Wait. Holy poo poo. They actually do that? Can you guys link to this story/bill? Thanks
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zxqv8 posted:Wait. Holy poo poo. They actually do that? BiggerBoat posted:Can you guys link to this story/bill? Thanks http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1537773
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Shifty Pony posted:Or you take the SC approach and ban lawsuits which might hold the company accountable because that would make them sad. I'm more curious what Virginia's gonna do since the coal ash from the Eden spill is all going to wind up there. A Winner is Jew posted:I miss the days when Green Day made good music. That would be before 96 for you youngins. Green Day made good music? Fried Chicken posted:I forget, did that bill ever pass? I mean it would fly through to McCrory's desk today and get signed in the blink of an eye, but I don't remember if it got laughed down in the previous session It became law in 2012 without the previous governor's signature. McCrory kicked all the geologists, engineers, and marine scientists out of the Coastal Resources Commission and packed it with developers and real estate agents though, so there's that. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Thanks for this. Why would the developers want to suppress the science in order to build poo poo that's going to be washed out as sea levels rise though? Or is it just some sort a short-sighted money grab where they fleece people to buy beachfront condos that... Oh. poo poo. My wife and I are moving to the beach soon and I studied sea level rise before we made the decision. Now I need ot go back and figure out who made the studies we looked at. Thanks again though. I hadn't heard about all that poo poo in NC. You'd think they'd know better. Ever mother loving hurricane everywhere seems to hit NC. comes along bort posted:Green Day made good music? He meant to type "The Ramones" or "The Clash".
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A Winner is Jew posted:I miss the days when Green Day made good music. That would be before 96 for you youngins. Hah, trick question! Green Day never made good music! quote:Also, the first half of the 90's had Deathrow records in it's heyday which musically was loving magic on the level that the million dollar quartet recordings were in the 50's. This, however, is true.
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zxqv8 posted:re: Demographic shift chat from earlier on page 2
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BiggerBoat posted:Thanks for this. Why would the developers want to suppress the science in order to build poo poo that's going to be washed out as sea levels rise though? Or is it just some sort a short-sighted money grab where they fleece people to buy beachfront condos that... Coastal NC real estate protip: invest in soundside property. In 30 years it'll be oceanfront! Though in 50 years you'll have a houseboat.
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comes along bort posted:Coastal NC real estate protip: invest in soundside property. In 30 years it'll be oceanfront! Though in 50 years you'll have a houseboat. Wow Houseboats! If you don't like your neighbors, you can pull up the anchor and sail some place else! ...Oh wait wrong thread. How strong is the Tea Party in North Carolina? Is there any chance of them shifting the politics so far to the right that independents start shifting Democrat?
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TheKennedys posted:I went to Montessori for ten years (pre-k through 8th grade) and I'm about a oval office-hair from being an actual communist. IS OBAMA INDOCTRINATING OUR YOUTH (in 1983)??? I'm just asking questions! The school I attended was Montessori-ish and had actual red armbands on May Day. One of the teachers left to join the shining path.
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Nessus posted:It kind of sounds like you're talking about yourself here, so think - 'what, that is reasonably plausible, would motivate me?' It would probably best to think in terms of "successful organization for a local candidate" rather than "Getting Congress to actually do something to help America in the next couple of years," obviously Can't be stressed enough, many of the current problems in Congress can be traced back to the weak ground game of the left for local and state offices. Change isn't going to happen overnight, it's going to be years before change at a national level starts, but you have to start somewhere and starting locally will eventually produce the results needed compared to exhausting yourself fruitlessly at the national level.
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I was actually thinking of this but good to know it's happening in lots of places at once.
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Y'all might also be interested in this 3-part series from NBC news Part 1: Why Taxpayers Will Bail Out the Rich When the Next Storm Hits Part 2: Meet the Flood Insurance 'Robin Hood' Who Saves Condo Owners Millions Part 3: For Average Joes, Fighting FEMA Flood Maps Isn't Easy or Cheap TL;DR: Part 1 posted:Freudenthal’s West Palm Beach company, which also does business as Flood Risk Solutions, LLC, does not work for owners of single-family homes, only for commercial real estate companies.
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Spiffster posted:Wow Houseboats! If you don't like your neighbors, you can pull up the anchor and sail some place else! There is some tea party presence, but there's no real tea party candidates. A lot of the politicians are old school/good ol' boys, and they're doing everything by the GOP narrative book. The voting districts were redrawn and everything is hosed, emphasis on everything. The majority of the people aren't happy, but telling them to go out and vote about it is becoming increasingly difficult between the voter id bullshit, cutbacks on popular early voting programs, and general gerrymandering.
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Phone posted:There is some tea party presence, but there's no real tea party candidates. A lot of the politicians are old school/good ol' boys, and they're doing everything by the GOP narrative book. The voting districts were redrawn and everything is hosed, emphasis on everything. US Politics Thread: Everything is hosed, emphasis on everything.
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Spiffster posted:How strong is the Tea Party in North Carolina? Is there any chance of them shifting the politics so far to the right that independents start shifting Democrat? Like Phone mentioned they exist, but the current GOP is far right enough that they mostly overlap. Though apparently Walter "Freedom Fries" Jones, Jr. has run afoul of William Kristol's Emergency Committee For Israel, and they've been plastering this ad everywhere the past couple weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec_MeIwci7k Thing is I'm not sure this is all that effective considering probably 99% of his district has never even seen a real live Jew in the flesh. And to the extent any of them give a poo poo about Israel at all it's as an eschatological vehicle. It's not like Jones is going to draw a serious primary challenge, let alone worry about a general election. Like his dad, he's got that seat for life.
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I know NeoCons were really big into continental philosophy, but seeing the entire party adopt it is totally
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Wolfsheim posted:McDonald's is the go-to example of broken conservative thought. Man, I hate it when conservatives think in this illogical manner. It's actually just one example of many of broken thought that comes from that ideological bloc. Shameful in my opinion.
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^^^^Don't touch the poop. FaustianQ posted:Can't be stressed enough, many of the current problems in Congress can be traced back to the weak ground game of the left for local and state offices. Change isn't going to happen overnight, it's going to be years before change at a national level starts, but you have to start somewhere and starting locally will eventually produce the results needed compared to exhausting yourself fruitlessly at the national level. The near abandonment of OFA right after the 2008 election was a huge wasted opportunity.
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BiggerBoat posted:He meant to type "The Ramones" or "The Clash". The 2000s were so bad they killed three of the Ramones.
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Wolfsheim posted:McDonald's is the go-to example of broken conservative thought. If you cannot provide for yourself you deserve to die. That's why food stamps and the ACA are so horrible, because they keep people alive and comfortable that should be either dead or suffering. A poor person dying from an easily preventable condition isn't a tragedy, it's justice. No one has a fundamental right to exist, and for anyone (especially the poor and weak) to exist comfortably is an atrocity. These are the axioms that modern American politics are built upon. That's why the McDonald's loop makes perfect sense.
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tbp posted:Man, I hate it when conservatives think in this illogical manner. It's actually just one example of many of broken thought that comes from that ideological bloc. Shameful in my opinion. I really do kind of wonder to what extent actual Calvinist theology is at the root of a lot of this stuff, though. Like do the Southern Baptists have a theological connection to Calvin somewhere that I'm unfamiliar with? All of this seems to be the very essence of Calvinism made into (unfortunately) a political policy.
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Nessus posted:Glad you're on board, teebp One of my big pet peeves is illogical thinking - normally I can say hell, let it be. But when these people have real life power to affect the lives of others, I just can't really let it slide you know?
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tbp posted:One of my big pet peeves is illogical thinking Masterful.
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SedanChair posted:Masterful. I've come around and gave some good thinking to the points raised in the previous iteration of this thread, and hell, I can feel my personal politics changing along with all the information that was available.
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Remember when the United Gamefowl Breeders Association said that Mitch McConnell would be "destroyed in Kentucky" because of a bill that criminalizes being a spectator at cockfights? Well, now his challenger Matt Bevin is speaking at rallies of the Gamefowl Defense Network, which I guess is another pro-cockfighting group in Kentucky because one wasn't enough.quote:“I was the first person to speak and then I left,” Bevin said. “They knew I was here. They asked if I would be interested in speaking. I’m a politician running statewide, any chance I get to speak to a few hundred people I’m going to take it.” Yes, true, it was about "state's rights", specifically the right to raise chickens for fighting, a right that's come under more fire this year than anyone would have guessed!
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comes along bort posted:I'm more curious what Virginia's gonna do since the coal ash from the Eden spill is all going to wind up there. Our House of Delegates is solidly Republican, but our Dem Governor apparently isn't going to go easy on them we've got a Democratic Attorney General who's pretty decent. Not to mention that it's easier to be tough on a company that doesn't do much business in your state.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:US Politics Thread: Everything is hosed, emphasis on everything. Quoting this in hopes I remember it for May
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Phone posted:Oh, I forgot one thing that tickles me a bit: Middle schoolers, who are abhorrent human beings, ask GOP candidates, who are abhorrent human beings, about real issues. The middle schoolers have an excuse such as hormones and still developing, but they come off looking so much better and thoughtful than the GOP candidates.
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Joementum posted:Remember when the United Gamefowl Breeders Association said that Mitch McConnell would be "destroyed in Kentucky" because of a bill that criminalizes being a spectator at cockfights? Well, now his challenger Matt Bevin is speaking at rallies of the Gamefowl Defense Network, which I guess is another pro-cockfighting group in Kentucky because one wasn't enough. I can't get on board with this sort of cockfighting. To me, it's a bad thing, and the people that engage in it - hell, they're bad too. Can anyone give me any difference between that and dog-fighting (which I'm sure everyone involved in cockfighting demonized when Michael Vick did it (hm, wonder why )). Despicable practice, how is it continuing on in the year of our lord which is 2014.
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tbp posted:I can't get on board with this sort of cockfighting. To me, it's a bad thing, and the people that engage in it - hell, they're bad too. Can anyone give me any difference between that and dog-fighting (which I'm sure everyone involved in cockfighting demonized when Michael Vick did it (hm, wonder why )). Despicable practice, how is it continuing on in the year of our lord which is 2014. Glad you asked! The Director of the Gamefowl Defense Network, Michael Devereaux, would be happy to explain. quote:Devereaux said those who raise fighting cocks have done a poor job advocating their position to the public and telling their story. As a result, public perception equates cock fighting to dog fighting. So, cockfighting is OK, fish fighting is OK, chicken boxing (which is totally not cockfighting) is OK, but dog fighting is bad.
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Mr. Devereaux, it's "betta" fish Also having worked animal control, they do throw them in the trash afterwards. Live or dead doesn't matter. Also who eats stringy roosters? I can see the new southern delicacy now, Losing Gamecoq au Vin.
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I'm really not sure exactly who considers 2 year old cockerels edible except in the most technical "it won't kill you" sense. edit: Yes I know there are some stew recipes which tage advantage of the gamey flavor but generally speaking 2 years is way too old. Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apparently, the US created and implemented a fake twitter-esque service to foment rebellion in Cuba against Castro and they did it under the guise of "humanitarian outreach" via the USAID. In the big scheme of things this isn't surprising in the least, it's hilarious in a really hosed up way. I mean, this is the stuff conspiracy theorists dream of, something out of a Tom Clancy novel. Salon posted:"USAID is generally known for delivering humanitarian aid to the international community, not engaging in covert missions to overthrow governments. Yet, USAID spokesman Matt Herrick maintains that this action was within humanitarian goals. He told the Associated Press: http://www.salon.com/2014/04/03/the_secret_is_out_u_s_built_cuban_twitter_to_stir_up_political_unrest/ http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/3/5577254/us-created-cuban-twitter-to-fuel-anti-castro-dissidence-ap http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26872866 Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Fried Chicken posted:Quoting this in hopes I remember it for May I'll try to remember it myself, once we get there. I warned ye, Skinner! Didn't I say that colored chalk was the tool of Lucifer himself?!
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Joementum posted:Glad you asked! The Director of the Gamefowl Defense Network, Michael Devereaux, would be happy to explain. By this logic if we ate the dogs it would be totally ok to fight them.... is the GDN secretly supporting Obama?!?
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Joementum posted:Glad you asked! The Director of the Gamefowl Defense Network, Michael Devereaux, would be happy to explain. Any thing any thing that has to do with animals is a huge loving deal to people. If you want to see a bonkers committee hearing with people from both sides of the issue yelling at each other in front of a panel of increasingly irritated lawmakers, go to a hearing on cockfighting, puppy mills, horsemeat or anything at all involving an animal, wild or domestic. When our legislature had a hearing on a bill to increase the penalty for cockfighting, all kinds of people showed up who straight up admitted they ran illegal cockfights and that this law would hurt their business.
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Chard posted:By this logic if we ate the dogs it would be totally ok to fight them.... is the GDN secretly supporting Obama?!? Your making the mistake that they're using logic... as I've always said "you can't reason yourself out of a position you didn't reason yourself into". This is the "logic" that they're using.
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