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Mexal posted:It also makes him super whiny, annoying and amps up the melodrama for little gain. Yeah, I don't like the direction they've taken him this season.
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Shakugan posted:Yeah, I don't like the direction they've taken him this season. I appreciate the idea (Showing how Ollie is pretty drat flawed), but I'm not sure how much of the result can be blamed on writing/directing and how much boils down to "meh, it's CW".
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Apr 3, 2014 16:03
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I'm hoping Slade ends EVERY episode trolling Team Arrow... "John Diggle...Oliver told me he's TOTALLY COOL w/ bringing back slavery." *single tear rols down Diggle's cheek* [running away] "To The STROKE-MOBILE!"
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Apr 3, 2014 16:42
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ded posted:Arrow Season 2: Oliver is always wrong I really like this aspect. Someone else mentioned something about this before, but basically, Ollie was a spoiled rich kid when he first landed on the island. He spent five years there and, sure, okay, he learned some hardcore archery, fighting, and general survival skills, and that all allowed him to take to the streets and beat up criminals. But it doesn't magically give him wisdom in any other areas. Arrow is a great superhero show because it's showing how Ollie is actually getting there. First season he wasn't even really a hero, he kind of was not that far above a murderer with his heart in the right place. Now, he's a hero, but he's still working on that whole "super" part. So he's still screwing up a lot.
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XboxPants posted:I really like this aspect. Someone else mentioned something about this before, but basically, Ollie was a spoiled rich kid when he first landed on the island. He spent five years there and, sure, okay, he learned some hardcore archery, fighting, and general survival skills, and that all allowed him to take to the streets and beat up criminals. But it doesn't magically give him wisdom in any other areas. This exactly. I'm totally onboard with where they're going, but tbh the execution is a bit off in parts.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:52
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So what's the bet that, after being taken down pretty easily by Ollie, Isabel takes the Mirakuru and they have a rematch?
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BreakAtmo posted:So what's the bet that, after being taken down pretty easily by Ollie, Isabel takes the Mirakuru and they have a rematch? I'm down with this. Also Glau as de facto Ravager would be cool (so would Laurel, but really, any Ravager is good Ravager).
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BreakAtmo posted:So what's the bet that, after being taken down pretty easily by Ollie, Isabel takes the Mirakuru and they have a rematch? Or she fights Roy and Ollie fights Slade.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:55
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If Ollie has already mastered all personal development, they would have a hard time giving him an actual character arc. Given how much stagnation, especially personal one, hurts comics, having him develop as a person can only lead to good thinks. If this is actually the reason behind his behavior, and it's not just some standard soap opera drama that CW is still pretty prone to put into the show (see: the last episode).
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e X posted:If Ollie has already mastered all personal development, they would have a hard time giving him an actual character arc. Given how much stagnation, especially personal one, hurts comics, having him develop as a person can only lead to good thinks. End of first season he learned he couldn't just be a killer. What's his next lesson? "But to save my city, I can't be the hypocritical rear end in a top hat I once was. I must be... something else? Not sure what other option there is. Still working on it."
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Apr 3, 2014 17:03
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Kind of disappointed that Ollie didn't call Waller to interrogate Slade given she was tracking him and wouldn't have had much problem vigorously interrogating him.
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Apr 3, 2014 17:11
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At this point, to save his city Ollie just has to move.
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Aphrodite posted:At this point, to save his city Ollie just has to move. Ollie will move to Hub City. I am sure that will be less corrupt.
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bobkatt013 posted:Or she fights Roy and Ollie fights Slade. You know what would be hilariously out of left field? If it was the reverse. Like, sure, you want Ollie and Slade to have their designated final battle, but sometimes poo poo just doesn't work out that way. I also would've loved if Season 1 had ended with Ollie having to save people in the quake, with Diggle being forced to kick Merlyn's rear end solo.
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BreakAtmo posted:So what's the bet that, after being taken down pretty easily by Ollie, Isabel takes the Mirakuru and they have a rematch? I want Thea to somehow get a hold of it. gently caress relevance, that'd just be some fun poo poo to see. I was actually kinda hoping that something like that was going to happen when she got kidnapped.
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Joe Gillian posted:I want Thea to somehow get a hold of it. gently caress relevance, that'd just be some fun poo poo to see. I was actually kinda hoping that something like that was going to happen when she got kidnapped. It'll go to everyone eventually. “Mirakuru for some, miniature Queen '14 flags for others!"
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Apr 3, 2014 18:28
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Error 404 posted:I'm down with this. I was hoping the fight would drag out a bit more, but it makes sense that she's a flunkie and Oliver and Slade are an even match. Either way, I had a  moment at "Sins of the father are the sins of the son," line. That's the Isobel Rochev we were expecting at the start of the season.Slade owned bones this episode though. Except for that dorky rear end sword throw. 
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Slade still needs to call Ollie or Thea late at night just to tell them that he banged their mom.
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Apr 3, 2014 19:06
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Dracorion posted:Episode was great, but I was kinda hoping Merlyn would show up and we'd have a badass villain showdown moment. Don't worry, John Barrowman posted yesterday that he was waiting for a flight to Vancouver. He's on his way back to Starling.
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Apr 3, 2014 19:10
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I think one of TVIV's worst rules is that casting spoilers aren't considered spoilers, even though they clearly spoil events in future episodes.
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Shakugan posted:I think one of TVIV's worst rules is that casting spoilers aren't considered spoilers, even though they clearly spoil events in future episodes. So did you think that when Barrowman showed up in State vs Queen that that was going to be his last appearance in the show ever? Here's what a real spoiler looks like: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkTkU7TCcAApWrR.png Also I liked Felicity breaking the standard comic book convention of telling the hero that he can't go off by himself by telling him to do that. Also: 
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Apr 3, 2014 19:22
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zoux posted:So did you think that when Barrowman showed up in State vs Queen that that was going to be his last appearance in the show ever? No, but "hey guys, here's information that almost surely indicates that Merlyn will be in one of the upcoming 2 or 3 episodes" is without a doubt a spoiler, and now with that certainty it'll no longer be a fun surprise.
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Apr 3, 2014 19:26
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bobkatt013 posted:Slade still needs to call Ollie or Theo late at night just to tell them that he banged their mom. Given the rate of infidelity in the Queen family, this might be the truth. Which, granted, doesn't change much.
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Apr 3, 2014 19:27
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I thought that Moira was thinking that Merlyn was behind the kidnappings. Hoping she'd tell Oliver just to add another level of complication/worry.
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Dead Snoopy posted:I'm hoping Slade ends EVERY episode trolling Team Arrow... "John Diggle! It's time you heard the truth...about Oliver Queen!" "...what truth?" "He sees you as more of a 'work friend.' Not a real friend. He hates hanging out with you outside work."  *ARROW CREDITS*
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zoux posted:
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I'm sorry you had to find out the truth in gif form.
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zoux posted:I'm sorry you had to find out the truth in gif form. Slade Wilson can deliver me harsh truths anytime in whatever form he pleases. 
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Shakugan posted:No, but "hey guys, here's information that almost surely indicates that Merlyn will be in one of the upcoming 2 or 3 episodes" is without a doubt a spoiler, and now with that certainty it'll no longer be a fun surprise. I'm sorry, I didn't think of the impact that would have on people who didn't know and were trying to stay surprised.
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zoux posted:So did you think that when Barrowman showed up in State vs Queen that that was going to be his last appearance in the show ever? Here's what a real spoiler looks like: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkTkU7TCcAApWrR.png What the heck is this? edit: Oh, it's her. https://31.media.tumblr.com/d238ac9ed99525e3c6bbf0f84d0f7274/tumblr_n3gpp1ziZZ1r0a0smo2_250.jpg Xealot posted:"Hello Ms. Smoak. I'm here to tell you the truth...Oliver would totally hit it if he believed you'd be cool, but he doesn't think you'd be cool for a hot loving second. Deathstroke, out!" This is hilarious, and I want to hear Manu read it in his Deathstrokiest voice. Ville Valo fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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I'm such a nerd I read all these fake death stroke truth bombs in his voice and I keep laughing. Holy poo poo that work friend thing got a laugh
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Did it bother anyone else when Ollie told Roy to aim his bow next time, when in a previous episode Yao Fe told Ollie that the secret to archery was to not aim?
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Apr 3, 2014 20:30
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Ollie is a poo poo teacher, even when he's giving his apprentice a hard time.
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Ollie is poo poo at everything it seems, and I grow a bit tired of it.
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Torrannor posted:Ollie is poo poo at everything it seems, and I grow a bit tired of it. I dunno dude, he's pretty good at shooting arrows.
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Error 404 posted:I'm down with this. So are we thinking that Glau takes an arrow in the eye?
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I hope Ollie kills Glau just as Slade realizes he has moved on and found the new love of his life.
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homo punching bag posted:I hope Ollie kills Glau just as Slade realizes he has moved on and found the new love of his life. Ugh you just made me realize that it's all going to come down to Slade making Ollie choose whether Sarah or Laurel dies...
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zoux posted:Ugh you just made me realize that it's all going to come down to Slade making Ollie choose whether Sarah or Laurel dies... You mean between Felicity and Laurel. Sarah will already be dead 
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zoux posted:Ugh you just made me realize that it's all going to come down to Slade making Ollie choose whether Sarah or Laurel dies... And then he's going to choose Sara, and Slade is going to kill her anyway.
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