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TvTropes is like dissecting a frog, cutting out each individual organ, throwing away all the bones, and then trying to make a working frog by throwing random disconnected organs into a bucket.
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Post Your Favorite (or Request) › TvTropes random disconnected organs in a bucket Just for fun I decided to see what the western animation conversation part of their forum is about. What animation is keeping them busy. In retrospect I should've saved myself the effort.  quote:pinned Western Animation Recommendations 39 Fri, 28th Mar '14 12:53:30 PM Why the hell are there 4 MLP topics including one dedicated to the old version. Why does this even need a live reaction thread? Is this really this exciting? Red flags for Fan fiction reading quote:I am struggling to think of any respected literary work that is written in second person. quote:The best I can think of is Homestuck, and even that is fake second person. It's primarily written in third person, just using second person pronouns.
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Apr 3, 2014 13:48
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Well, if they can't be as encyclopediac as wikipedia, just make wikipedia into tvtropes.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:32
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karl fungus posted:I haven't really bothered looking at TV Tropes much, but I'm curious as to where the creepy poo poo starts. The main pages seem to mostly just be boring lists of things. Where do these people congregate? http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page they moved to the offsite
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Apr 3, 2014 17:33
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corn in the bible posted:http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page they moved to the offsite Popular Articles *Main Page *Breast Expansion *Monster Girl Quest (aka Monmusu Quest: Lose and the Girls Rape You) *Complete Monster *Katekyo Hitman Reborn
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Apr 3, 2014 18:15
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corn in the bible posted:http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page they moved to the offsite Oh, I see now. 
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Apr 3, 2014 19:30
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karl fungus posted:Oh, I see now. Don't look up the Fetish Fuel wiki.
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Apr 3, 2014 21:14
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Afraid of Audio posted:Don't look up the Fetish Fuel wiki. Always look up Fetish Fuel  Just to give you an idea here's a (thankfully SFW) screencap from there.
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Apr 3, 2014 21:27
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I knew they scattered like cockroaches when Google turned the light on, but the only thing I knew about was Fetish Fuel. The other site I had no idea about.
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Apr 3, 2014 21:48
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Tunicate posted:Also things that become embedded in the fandom even though they have no canon support. Like Ginny being short for 'Virginia', in Harry Potter. Wait, what? But it's short for Ginevra. This is actually stated in the books. I thought these people pored over every inch of these books, how did that happen? 
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Apr 3, 2014 21:51
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My best guess is that it wasn't stated until after "Virginia" had already taken a firm root in the mindset of the most vocal members of the fandom. By sheer coincidence, the most vocal members also happened to be the ones least likely to ever admit that they were objectively wrong on something.
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Apr 3, 2014 21:58
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That was revealed really late in the series, so by that time everyone had decided her name was Virginia and it was in all the fanfiction so it was basically canon or at least fanon which is basically canon right, so when Rowling revealed it was Ginevra it was a major upset. Gonna go wash my hands now.
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Apr 3, 2014 21:59
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Dabir posted:That was revealed really late in the series, so by that time everyone had decided her name was Virginia and it was in all the fanfiction so it was basically canon or at least fanon which is basically canon right, so when Rowling revealed it was Ginevra it was a major upset. Yeah it was this, the "Ginevra" name isn't revealed until the near the ending of the last book (it might even have been in the epilogue?). Also Virginia, while being an old fashioned and fairly weird name these days, is at least a lot more common than "Ginevra".
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Apr 3, 2014 22:40
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But half the Weasley family is named after Arthurian characters, so Ginny should have been obvious!
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Apr 4, 2014 01:11
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DoctorWhat posted:But half the Weasley family is named after Arthurian characters, so Ginny should have been obvious! That character's name is spelled as Guinevere wayyyy more often then as Ginevra. Especially in the modern day. And Ginny isn't a normal nickname for Guinevere - more typically that would be "Gwen".
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Apr 4, 2014 01:27
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DoctorWhat posted:But half the Weasley family is named after Arthurian characters, so Ginny should have been obvious! You are expecting tropers to be knowledgeable of anything that isn't anime, children's cartoons, or young adult fiction.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:33
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Swan Oat posted:You are expecting tropers to be knowledgeable of anything that isn't anime, children's cartoons, or young adult fiction. We're talking Harry potter fans in general dude. You know, mostly people who were like between 8 and 18 while the series was coming out, and who would pretty much never have seen the spelling/name "Ginevra" ever. It's not even like it was ever the common spelling for the arthurian legends.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:44
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Dabir posted:That was revealed really late in the series, so by that time everyone had decided her name was Virginia and it was in all the fanfiction so it was basically canon or at least fanon which is basically canon right, so when Rowling revealed it was Ginevra it was a major upset. Still not as funny as the freakout about "oh my god, this cameo character who has never been anything more than a name in a crowd scene is black?! But we all roleplayed him as a delicate alabaster-skinned princeling! JKR has ruined my life   , fellow stupid-Harry-Potter-drama-remembering goon.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:50
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Antivehicular posted:Still not as funny as the freakout about "oh my god, this cameo character who has never been anything more than a name in a crowd scene is black?! But we all roleplayed him as a delicate alabaster-skinned princeling! JKR has ruined my life Even worse was the whole Hunger Games debacle where a character was literally stated to be black in the book, and people still got mad when she was black in the movie.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:05
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Even worse was the whole Hunger Games debacle where a character was literally stated to be black in the book, and people still got mad when she was black in the movie. I'M NOT RACIST I JUST DON'T GET WHY BLACK PEOPLE SUDDENLY HAVE TO BE IN EVERYTHING
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Apr 4, 2014 02:10
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Antivehicular posted:Still not as funny as the freakout about "oh my god, this cameo character who has never been anything more than a name in a crowd scene is black?! But we all roleplayed him as a delicate alabaster-skinned princeling! JKR has ruined my life Not just lily white, but there was a whole contigent of fans super loving pissed Blaise turned out to be a boy. Because they pretty much just assumed Blaise was a feminine name.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:13
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AngryRobotsInc posted:Not just lily white, but there was a whole contigent of fans super loving pissed Blaise turned out to be a boy. Because they pretty much just assumed Blaise was a feminine name. But that's a dude's name.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:19
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AngryRobotsInc posted:Not just lily white, but there was a whole contigent of fans super loving pissed Blaise turned out to be a boy. Because they pretty much just assumed Blaise was a feminine name. Blaze Zamboni the white girl
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Apr 4, 2014 02:34
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neongrey posted:But that's a dude's name. It basically wasn't anyone's name in the US before the Harry Potter books came out, and most of the fanbase was in the US. I know when I first saw it as like a 9 year old kid, I just assumed it was some sort of name made up for wizards.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:49
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That's so weird, I went to elementary school with a kid named Blaise, and this was like when HP only existed as notes on napkins.
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Apr 4, 2014 03:21
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DoctorWhat posted:But half the Weasley family is named after Arthurian characters, so Ginny should have been obvious! My Granny mentioned to me that most of the Weasleys were meant to be named after Arthurian characters so I assumed Ginny's full name was Guinevere or some variation of it, but that also meant in my head I pronounced her name as Ginny like guinea pig  I was passionately enraged by the pronunciation of her name in the films because my headcanon!  e: Re second person works, I can't think of many but a classmate recently recommended "Sorry" by Zoran Drvenkar, which apparently uses it significantly. It's about hired assassins or something and large stretches of it are written to "you", the people who hire their services. I've not read it but this one classmate says it's quite good! The whole idea of it (and use of second person in general) is to implicate you in the events of the narrative, etc, draws you in personally. It's something you definitely see more frequently in short fiction, though, rather than full length novels, as it's hard to sustain over the long term. CROWS EVERYWHERE fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 03:21
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neongrey posted:That's so weird, I went to elementary school with a kid named Blaise, and this was like when HP only existed as notes on napkins. It's kind of an old-ish name, I'm pretty sure it derives from names meaning "fair-haired."
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Apr 4, 2014 03:36
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sweeperbravo posted:It's kind of an old-ish name, I'm pretty sure it derives from names meaning "fair-haired."
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Apr 4, 2014 03:49
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:My Granny mentioned to me that most of the Weasleys were meant to be named after Arthurian characters
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Apr 4, 2014 08:53
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Runcible Cat posted:Molly, Fred, George, Ron, Charlie? OK, Percy, but his seems to be the only other Arthurian name bar his dad. Unless Bill's name's short for Balin or something.... I also didn't read past the fourth book so I was just going by what was said to me 
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Apr 4, 2014 08:59
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Runcible Cat posted:Molly, Fred, George, Ron, Charlie? OK, Percy, but his seems to be the only other Arthurian name bar his dad. Unless Bill's name's short for Balin or something.... There's a detailed explanation on the Harry Potter wiki, but while some of the links may seem a bit tenuous, it wouldn't surprise me if they're all spot on. I know I've put equally esoteric references into my own work, just for laughs.
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Apr 4, 2014 09:18
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:e: Re second person works, I can't think of many but a classmate recently recommended "Sorry" by Zoran Drvenkar, which apparently uses it significantly. It's about hired assassins or something and large stretches of it are written to "you", the people who hire their services. I've not read it but this one classmate says it's quite good! The whole idea of it (and use of second person in general) is to implicate you in the events of the narrative, etc, draws you in personally. It's something you definitely see more frequently in short fiction, though, rather than full length novels, as it's hard to sustain over the long term.
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Apr 4, 2014 09:30
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:e: Re second person works, I can't think of many but a classmate recently recommended "Sorry" by Zoran Drvenkar, which apparently uses it significantly. It's about hired assassins or something and large stretches of it are written to "you", the people who hire their services. I've not read it but this one classmate says it's quite good! The whole idea of it (and use of second person in general) is to implicate you in the events of the narrative, etc, draws you in personally. It's something you definitely see more frequently in short fiction, though, rather than full length novels, as it's hard to sustain over the long term. If on a winter's night a traveller, by Italo Calvino, is the only novel-length second-person narrative I can think of. In its case, the "you" is you, the reader, trying to read Italo Calvino's new novel, If on a winter's night a traveller. It's a very well respected book, and one that probably no troper has ever read. e:f;b The Sin of Onan fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 09:31
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ukonvasara posted:Italo Calvino's If on a winter's night a traveler and Jay McInerney's Bright Lights, Big City are probably the two most famous literary works that use second-person. I shudder to think what tropers would make of them. Very little, actually. They both have short articles, and the page for the latter only really covers the film.
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Apr 4, 2014 09:49
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Darth Walrus posted:Very little, actually. They both have short articles, and the page for the latter only really covers the film. Looking at the second one of those, they seem to now be using an interrobang to indicate "TRIVIA entries", which "should be moved to the TRIVIA tab". How do they define trivia entries as distinct from, say, everything else? Also I hope this doesn't go against their No Such Thing As Notability policy! 
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Apr 4, 2014 11:00
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The Sin of Onan posted:If on a winter's night a traveller, by Italo Calvino, is the only novel-length second-person narrative I can think of. In its case, the "you" is you, the reader, trying to read Italo Calvino's new novel, If on a winter's night a traveller. It's a very well respected book, and one that probably no troper has ever read. A Prayer For The Dying by Stewart O'Nan is another second-person novel. Of course it has a lot of similarities to The Plague, so we can just assume that tropers will dismiss it as True Art Is Incomprehensible anyhow.
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Apr 4, 2014 11:05
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I really don't want to believe that people freaked out when Ginny's real name was revealed, but it sounds too realistic to not be true. How come I never notice TvTropes being so horrible? I go there, I check my favorite works and say "Yeah, that is a thing that happens in that book/cartoon/whatever! Apparently it happens in other books/catoons/whatever! That's cool!". Or maybe I hit the random button a couple of times and see where it takes me. Am I just that blind?
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Apr 4, 2014 12:01
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paradoxGentleman posted:I really don't want to believe that people freaked out when Ginny's real name was revealed, but it sounds too realistic to not be true. Well, what are your favourite works?
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Apr 4, 2014 12:12
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I exaggerated a little.Sorry about that. I didn't check out literally every single thing I find interesting. No one has that much free time. But I do have a recent example. A couple of days ago I've finished American Gods and decidet to check out its article at TvTropes. I tried to see if there was anything particularly disgusting like you guys say. The worst I found was Wednesday being called a Casanova (which I guess is a slightly scummy trope in and by itself, but at least that article does explain that those characters aren't necessarily good) and the use of two tropes called I Have Boobs, You Must Obey and Deus Sex Machina when there really was no need to. paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 12:33
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paradoxGentleman posted:I exaggerated a little.Sorry about that. I didn't check out literally every single thing I find interesting. No one has that much free time. But I do have a recent example. Honestly, they don't seem to be as bad with Neil Gaiman works outside of obviously wanting to gently caress Death.
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