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I don't think he'll ever rewrite that arc without the cousin love/the big villain's plot to rape Asuna though so it's probably best to give up that dream.
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Namtab posted:I don't think he'll ever rewrite that arc without the cousin love/the big villain's plot to rape Asuna though so it's probably best to give up that dream. The Main Villian's plot was to mind wipe Asuna and marry into her family for the wealth that Asuna's family has. Also Testing technology which can literally wipe and rewrite someone's mind. Which is pretty useful for nefarious deeds(such as facilitating rape). The counsin's love thing was dumb and is never brought up again, and was pretty much dropped after She finds out who Kirito is. I wouldn't be surprised that if he were to rewrite Fairy Dance he would omit it.
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Apr 2, 2014 14:40
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Dexo posted:The counsin's love thing was dumb and is never brought up again, and was pretty much dropped after She finds out who Kirito is. I wouldn't be surprised that if he were to rewrite Fairy Dance he would omit it.
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Apr 2, 2014 15:21
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Paracelsus posted:He could probably still write it as "Leafa develops a crush on Avatar-Kirito" but drop the "Suguha likes Real-Kirito in a woman/man way" angle and it wouldn't change the plot much while getting rid of the actual problem. Theoretically that could work even better, since it still works as a catalyst for the FAMILIAL relationship development those two get in that season. They could still drop it altogether, though, and just have Avatar Kirito and her get close in a non-romantic way and get the same result.
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Apr 2, 2014 15:48
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XboxPants posted:Theoretically that could work even better, since it still works as a catalyst for the FAMILIAL relationship development those two get in that season. They could still drop it altogether, though, and just have Avatar Kirito and her get close in a non-romantic way and get the same result. Paracelsus fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Apr 2, 2014 15:53
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Paracelsus posted:He could probably still write it as "Leafa develops a crush on Avatar-Kirito" but drop the "Suguha likes Real-Kirito in a woman/man way" angle and it wouldn't change the plot much while getting rid of the actual problem. I can agree with that because XboxPants posted:Theoretically that could work even better, since it still works as a catalyst for the FAMILIAL relationship development those two get in that season. They could still drop it altogether, though, and just have Avatar Kirito and her get close in a non-romantic way and get the same result.
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Apr 2, 2014 16:07
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Siblings, separated by years of being held hostage in a virtual world finally reconnect with one another through the medium of the virtual world and shared common interest. Yeah, that'd work. I'll just keep telling myself that was what really happened when GGO comes out.
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Apr 2, 2014 21:05
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Mordaedil posted:Siblings, separated by years of being held hostage in a virtual world finally reconnect with one another through the medium of the virtual world and shared common interest. Frankly I think that realizing how easy it would have been for the story to be so much better makes it seem even worse by comparison. That's the main reason I dislike it, and as mentioned there are a lot of reasons to dislike it.
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Clarste posted:Frankly I think that realizing how easy it would have been for the story to be so much better makes it seem even worse by comparison. That's the main reason I dislike it, and as mentioned there are a lot of reasons to dislike it. You are probably also not like 15-16 years old.
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Apr 3, 2014 00:16
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Dexo posted:You are probably also not like 15-16 years old. I'm fairly certain most 15-16 year olds with a sibling would be kinda uncomfortable with the implications of the writing. Was the writer a lonely child, because that seems to be the most common trend I've found with the people writing these sibling love relationship romances. Doesn't help that none of them really act like real brothers would. I think actually Ichigo from Bleach is one of the few sibling characters I've seen written right in anime.
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Apr 3, 2014 09:03
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Mordaedil posted:I'm fairly certain most 15-16 year olds with a sibling would be kinda uncomfortable with the implications of the writing. I found it pretty hilarious that the writer of Log Horizon was asked about what his sister thinks about it and went "I don't think she cares at all". As others have said in the SAO thread (I think), most of Japanese families have only a single child. Some of them become Anime writers and try to write sibling relations without ever having experienced them or even just observed them. Couple that with the widespread inability of nerds to comprehend any relationship between men and women that isn't fundamentally sexual in nature, and you get incest plots.
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Funnily enough, a very realistic depiction of sibling relationships is in No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular!. The girl in that one has a younger brother who's popular and into soccer, and she's just this sort of maladjusted  freak. He is, quite suitably, disgusted by her antics.
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Apr 3, 2014 13:56
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Though it's not the focus of the series, the sibling relationship between the main older sister/younger brother duo in Keroro Gunso is shown in a pretty realistic and non-gross way. But I have no idea if Sgt. Frog, Funimation's gag dub, changed that. SAO introducing the sibling romance thing made me quit the series after the first episode of the second arc. I went into Log Horizon afraid of rampant grossness and being disappointed yet again, but it's been very refreshing and fun to watch. The discussion comparing the power fantasies Kirito and Shiroe each represent is interesting. I'm 100% okay with the behind-the-scenes manipulator style Shiroe has going on, because it's more fun for me to watch than Kirito being a boring self-insert Gary Stu who doesn't seem to have any real personal growth. Watching some other characters grow in Log Horizon, like Minori, was great too.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:06
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More people should watch Busou Renkin. The MC and his sister are very simpatico, but there is no attraction involved.
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Serious Frolicking posted:More people should watch Busou Renkin. The MC and his sister are very simpatico, but there is no attraction involved. More people should read Buso Renkin because it has the best female in any shonen manga I've read. The Anime cut out her fights from the second half of the manga. But yeah still awesome.
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Apr 3, 2014 20:10
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It also has one of the few actually enjoyable and funny main character leads for a shonen piece that I've read in forever. Doesn't hurt that it was written by the same guy who write Rurouni Kenshin. I actually picked up the manga solely on that premise.
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Also, it's remarkably self-aware of shonen battle manga cliches and fun as well! But this is getting wildly off-topic isn't it? 
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What's going on there, are they just making a joke about running away or something? Slowest person gets eaten by the lion, or something?
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Apr 4, 2014 15:47
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Drifter posted:What's going on there, are they just making a joke about running away or something? Slowest person gets eaten by the lion, or something? Using flashstepping to appear behind the opponent to get a back attack and instantly kill the opponent. They are trying to one-up the other. Kinda loses context without seeing the rest of their interactions, but it is kinda out of character for that more serious-looking guy.
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Speaking of character interactions being realistic, I really liked how pretty much every character in Log Horizon was a poorly socialized awkward nerd who'd be playing a MMO at launch. I got to watch each episode 2-3 times, so there's all these little hints about it for most of the characters.
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Baron Snow posted:Speaking of character interactions being realistic, I really liked how pretty much every character in Log Horizon was a poorly socialized awkward nerd who'd be playing a MMO at launch. I got to watch each episode 2-3 times, so there's all these little hints about it for most of the characters. Heck, the entire trouble with Rise of the Goblin King was that they had to hide being socially awkward while negotiating with the nobles. If they know adventurers were so easy to manipulate Akiba is doomed.
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Burned through this anime over the course of 3 days or so. Wow. I really enjoyed it. 10/10 would watch (and probably will) again. Can't wait for Season 2! What anime is similar? I really enjoyed the political/economic/social aspect of it, as well as the action scenes. The MMO bits in it were interesting too but they didn't make the anime so good. There's Accel World, which this thread says is pretty good. Maoyuu somethingsomething, which is by the same author and the thread seems to favor as well due to its similarities. There's Spice and Wolf, I suppose, which I never watched too much of but may get back into it sometime. Anything else?
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Someone said that Accel World is good? Don't fall for their lies.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Someone said that Accel World is good? Don't fall for their lies. Okay, nevermind then. Do you have recommendations?
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Artificer posted:Okay, nevermind then. Do you have recommendations? Maoyuu is pretty bad, the source material is pretty good but you can tell that it's an earlier work than Log Horizon, it's rougher around the edges and just not as good in general. The anime version is a pretty bad adaptation of that, so I can't really recommend it. Spice and Wolf is really good. It puts more focus on the romance side of the story than Log Horizon but that's ok because it's a pretty drat good romance. There are still plenty of economics based shenanigans so it does have what you're looking for there. I can't really think of anything else, sorry. 
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Maoyuu is pretty bad, the source material is pretty good but you can tell that it's an earlier work than Log Horizon, it's rougher around the edges and just not as good in general. The anime version is a pretty bad adaptation of that, so I can't really recommend it. So you might recommend the manga but not the anime for Maoyuu then? What makes the anime bad, in your opinion? I'll pick up Spice and Wolf again sometime, then.
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Spice and Wolf is pretty much the gold standard of the fantasy economics anime subgenre. I don't consider Maoyuu to be really worse then Log Horizon, unless you really care about anime production values. If you also like manga there is of course Vinland.
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Artificer posted:What makes the anime bad, in your opinion? Lets see. Lacking in content, lacking in animation and the art style they went with is just super bland.
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I think what hurt Maoyuu the most is that it is a multi season series compressed into way too little space, and rushed to the point where you wonder if they used stock characters for some important side-characters just because they couldn't be made relevant enough. Kind of a shame.
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Artificer posted:So you might recommend the manga but not the anime for Maoyuu then?
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Some last Q and A from Touno Mamare, courtesy of 4Chan:Touno Mamare posted:Mamare, thank you for everything that you've written. I love all of it. quote:grate nyanderful quote:Do you know when the soundtrack from the anime will be released, if at all? quote:Congratulations on the second season Mamare-sensei quote:Tell me more about Giraffe-tan, Sensei. I must know all. quote:We're getting an Akatsuki nendoroid right? quote:Do you wear glasses? And if so, how do you adjust them? quote:Do you have a release planned for the TRPG? quote:Can you negotiate with intelligent demihumans like The Goblin King? quote:I want to ask, who is your favorite character pairing? quote:Thanks for writing Log Horizon, I loved it, (and the anime too, but it's toned down a bit because NHK, but I don't care...) quote:When did NHK decide to green lit it and how much did crunchyroll/international audiences influence the decision? quote:Do you have any idea on when the results of the new server classes you asked people to make will come out? quote:I would like to ask, what will S2 cover? Will it be 25 episodes? Will it include contents from West Wind Brigade and HoneyMoon Logs manga? quote:Will you be more involved in this next season? Do you know how long it will be? quote:I wish to marry Nureha.  thing when asked about his sister.quote:Hug your imouto tell her you love her report back what happened.
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Seems like a pretty standard sister-brother relationship.
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Artificer posted:Seems like a pretty standard sister-brother relationship. Which, for anime, is better than could be expected.
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Mordaedil posted:I think what hurt Maoyuu the most is that it is a multi season series compressed into way too little space, and rushed to the point where you wonder if they used stock characters for some important side-characters just because they couldn't be made relevant enough. This. It was just waaaay too rushed and skipped a lot of important stuff. At times it almost feels like watching someone tell you about something they watched or read instead of a show in and of itself.
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Artificer posted:I'll pick up Spice and Wolf again sometime, then. If you like Sexy Wolf Girls or Economic Shenanigans, you'll love S&W. I don't know what either of those things have in common, except Anime. For the "trapped in an online world" part, Accel World is garbage harem bullshit and goons have bad taste. Sword Art Online is ok if you can look past the main character being a Gary Stu. Or just watch .Hack//Sign. Pacing is garbage but what does it matter when you have the power of skip forward. I don't know any other good things to watch remotely related to Log Horizon or Spice and Wolf besides those.
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If I watch SAO, judging from everything I heard it is basically watch Season 1 and then pretend Season 2 never existed. 
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The second half of Season 2 is ok. Season 2 slowly worsens on a per-episode basis until it approaches actual anime porn for an episode complete with tentacles vs. the heroine. Then it slowly tries to recover and does a decent job, all things considered. I couldn't believe that episode. Just pure  growing larger by the minute. You wouldn't miss much skipping season 2 entirely, honestly.
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User0015 posted:The second half of Season 2 is ok. Season 2 slowly worsens on a per-episode basis until it approaches actual anime porn for an episode complete with tentacles vs. the heroine. Then it slowly tries to recover and does a decent job, all things considered. Fixed that for you. Unless you really want to subject yourself to a show that basically goes "Who wants to suck Kirito-san's dick" it's really not worth watching.
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Sword Art Online is insanely bad, and I would not recommend it to anyone who wants something like Log Horizon because outside of the setting they're not really alike at all.
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I thought Accel World was worse. I don't know why, because I recognize they have the exact same plot and protagonist.
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