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Is Horik, being a king, higher in "rank" than Ragnar? Can't he just order Ragnar to do something? Why is he not sitting in his hall somewhere with his men around him protecting him instead of going off to Kattegat and England basically by himself? Or am I way off base and a king where Horik is from is equivalent to an Earl in other Viking lands?
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Apr 4, 2014 18:11
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As far as I understood he's kind of a higher level Earl (Jarl) with more land and people, but his kingdom neighbors Ragnar's lands, Ragnar isn't his subject.
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Apr 4, 2014 18:23
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Gyges posted:Is there anything Viking legally keeping Lagertha from becoming the new Earl of drunk idiot's lands? Read her Wikipedia entry. I have to admit I'm looking forward to how they do the blood eagle. I've always thought that was the most visually beautiful torture-death ever devised.
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Apr 4, 2014 18:35
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Beautiful?  But yes I'm curious as to how much they can get away with, in terms of violence and gore. I doubt they will be showing much. Severed heads and eye stabbings are one thing, cracking open someone's ribcage and pulling their lungs out then rubbing salt in the wounds is a whole different level.
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Apr 4, 2014 18:49
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marktheando posted:Beautiful? If you've ever seen any werewolf movie ever they could do the ribcage burst quite well, the whole blood thing and the lungs is another matter entirely
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Apr 4, 2014 19:39
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No More Heroes posted:If you've ever seen any werewolf movie ever they could do the ribcage burst quite well, the whole blood thing and the lungs is another matter entirely I don't doubt the effect is technically possible to do on screen, I was thinking more about tv network limits on grotesque violence.
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Apr 4, 2014 19:45
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life is killing me posted:Is Horik, being a king, higher in "rank" than Ragnar? Can't he just order Ragnar to do something? Why is he not sitting in his hall somewhere with his men around him protecting him instead of going off to Kattegat and England basically by himself? Probably shouldn't read too much into the titles used. Why is Ragnar an earl and Borg (what kind of name is Borg anyway?) a jarl?
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Apr 4, 2014 19:51
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Estraysian posted:(what kind of name is Borg anyway?) Sounds Swedish.
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Apr 4, 2014 19:59
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Tighclops posted:Sounds Swedish. Maybe it does, though I've never met anyone with the given name Borg.
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Apr 4, 2014 20:03
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Estraysian posted:Maybe it does, though I've never met anyone with the given name Borg. There was Bjorn Borg, the tennis player. E: you said given name, I'm a dolt.
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Apr 4, 2014 20:11
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Phy posted:There was Bjorn Borg, the tennis player. Sure. And there are a whole lot of other Borgs today, but Vikings didn't have surnames. E: It's not a big deal I suppose, it just sounds weird to me that there's a guy named Jarl Borg. Estraysian fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 20:14
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Estraysian posted:Sure. And there are a whole lot of other Borgs today, but Vikings didn't have surnames. It also means castle in Swedish (related to Burg). Borg was also a soldier sobriquet in the Swedish army during the early modern period. I kind of sympathize with Jarl Borg a little bit. He agreed to follow them to England and make peace, Horik and Ragnar then broke their promise and insulted him, and by doing so also broke their peace agreement. And maybe this is just me, but i still think he makes a better partner than Horik. Horik is playing a long con against Ragnar despite being treated alot closer to an equal partner than Borg ever was. edit: "Sympathize" is perhaps the wrong word, more like "emphasize". He still invaded a village with basically old folk, women and children as the main defense. Falukorv fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 21:03
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I don't know if you like this recap style or not, but there are some funny ones in here: http://www.themarysue.com/vikings-visual-recap-unforgiven/ Eagerly looking forward to the Blood Eagle next episode 
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Apr 4, 2014 21:09
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life is killing me posted:Is Horik, being a king, higher in "rank" than Ragnar? Can't he just order Ragnar to do something? Why is he not sitting in his hall somewhere with his men around him protecting him instead of going off to Kattegat and England basically by himself? He can order all he wants, getting Ragnar to actually do it is the hard part. You might be overestimating the amount of authority Horik actually has over his Jarls. Which is why Horik needed Ragnar to murder Borg so Horik could finish taking Borg's land.
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Apr 4, 2014 21:13
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Ragnar swore fealty on his arm ring to Horik, which is why he got involved in the land dispute with Jarl Borg in the first place. Of course, that all now depends on how much poo poo Ragnar is willing to take.
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Apr 4, 2014 22:32
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Falukorv posted:edit: "Sympathize" is perhaps the wrong word, more like "emphasize". Emphasize is also the wrong word. I think you mean empathize. 
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Apr 4, 2014 23:35
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Horik is probably going to try to spring Borg before the Blood Eagle ceremony and wind up killed. Leaving Ragnar with Horik's and Borgs lands. I do wonder if Bjorn is going to be forced to go back to his mother and be Jarl.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:07
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Floki only gets a line or two each episode it seems but he always completely nails it. His glee about not being able to keep a secret was great.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:33
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hoping that king horik and jarl borg both die, lagertha brings her people to ragnar, ragnar takes everybody to colonize england
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Apr 5, 2014 03:44
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Floki only gets a line or two each episode it seems but he always completely nails it. His glee about not being able to keep a secret was great. I thought it was hilarious when Rollo asked him where Bjorn was, just the way he said "I don't know, Rollo." His body language and pitch and tone made me laugh out loud, and obviously that line wasn't meant to be funny.
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Apr 5, 2014 03:49
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Falukorv posted:It also means castle in Swedish (related to Burg). Borg was also a soldier sobriquet in the Swedish army during the early modern period. I like Jarl Borg a lot better than Horik. The dead wife skull and crazy eyes make him interesting. Much more so than old lechers.
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Apr 5, 2014 04:02
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No More Heroes posted:I like Jarl Borg a lot better than Horik. The dead wife skull and crazy eyes make him interesting. Much more so than old lechers. Jarl Borg actually shows loyalty and recognized, even though he had no idea he was going to be betrayed again, that he shouldn't have done what he did. I actually believed him when he told Ragnar that Ragnar had no reason to doubt his loyalty. In all honesty, Borg was defending his own honor, he wouldn't have been Earl much longer had he let Horik and Ragnar do that without repercussion. He was justified in doing what he did IMHO, just not to Ragnar. Horik deserved all Borg's wrath instead of Ragnar, and to echo another poster here, Horik made Ragnar tell Borg the bad news so Horik didn't have to do it. The only thing Borg did wrong was direct his ire at Ragnar. As to the answers to my earlier question, it does seem to me that Ragnar, Borg and Horik simply are equivalent leaders of different nations or states (for lack of a better term) who happened to all fall under the cultural blanket and the term "Viking." Makes a little more sense to me in those terms rather than thinking of them all being part of the same kingdom or earldom or nation or whatever. life is killing me fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Apr 5, 2014 |
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Apr 5, 2014 04:24
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marktheando posted:I don't doubt the effect is technically possible to do on screen, I was thinking more about tv network limits on grotesque violence. I take it you haven't seen Hannibal.
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Apr 5, 2014 06:36
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solovyov posted:I take it you haven't seen Hannibal. Hannibal takes things to a whole new level of holy shitballs. Tower. Of. Limbs.
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Apr 5, 2014 06:57
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Well History is a cable channel so really they could show whatever the gently caress they want.
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Apr 5, 2014 07:21
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solovyov posted:I take it you haven't seen Hannibal. I have, and I have no explanation for how Hannibal gets away with it. There hasn't been any gore in Vikings so far that even approaches the kind of thing you get in Hannibal every episode. I would be surprised if the blood eagle is as graphic as the angel-maker from Hannibal, for example.
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Apr 5, 2014 08:52
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life is killing me posted:
I think the relationship started out with Ragnar being subservient to Horik with Ragnar having sworn fealty or whatever it was to Horik last season. If what I've read in some Viking books is accurate, they will often stop following a leader if the leader is lovely. So for Horik to not follow Ragnar home and offer help when Ragnar was going to try and reclaim his land from Borg and just be like "Whatever, I'm staying here, good luck with that" would pretty much be him relinquishing his claim on Ragnar's loyalty, especially since it's pretty much Horik's fault that poo poo went down the way it did. I doubt Horik sees it that way, but Ragnar probably does. But, yeah, I think originally they were all pretty much equals who ruled different areas and Ragnar swore fealty to Horik so he'd have someone powerful to raid with.
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Apr 5, 2014 10:05
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savinhill posted:I think the relationship started out with Ragnar being subservient to Horik with Ragnar having sworn fealty or whatever it was to Horik last season. If what I've read in some Viking books is accurate, they will often stop following a leader if the leader is lovely. So for Horik to not follow Ragnar home and offer help when Ragnar was going to try and reclaim his land from Borg and just be like "Whatever, I'm staying here, good luck with that" would pretty much be him relinquishing his claim on Ragnar's loyalty, especially since it's pretty much Horik's fault that poo poo went down the way it did. I doubt Horik sees it that way, but Ragnar probably does. Breaking fealty has almost always been done the second that the vassal felt they could pull it off or was insulted. Horik is actually the shithead. Horik is playing Ragnar and Borg off against each other and weakening them while he commits nothing. Of the three rulers, Jarl Borg is probably the most honest of them. He has rights to lands, fights over it and cuts the war short for disfavorable terms. Then immediately gets repudiated on the raid by Horik via Ragnar. If he didn't attack someone he'd probably have been overthrown in a manner similar to how Ragnar took over.
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Apr 5, 2014 10:42
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Horik is such a fuckhead, I can't wait for him to get what he deserves.
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Apr 5, 2014 13:15
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Horik is a cunning poo poo. However way you slice it, you gotta give him props for ultimately causing Borg's by getting Ragnar and Borg to fight one another. I'd rather see Ragnar and Borg join up to kick the poo poo out of Horik but Borg hosed that up when he raided Ragnar instead of Horik.
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Apr 5, 2014 16:10
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doctor 7 posted:Horik is a cunning poo poo. However way you slice it, you gotta give him props for ultimately causing Borg's by getting Ragnar and Borg to fight one another. He pretty much outwits Siggy too and takes advantage of her desperation to attempt a comeback.
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Apr 5, 2014 21:27
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etalian posted:He pretty much outwits Siggy too and takes advantage of her desperation to attempt a comeback. I'm half expecting Ragnar to have known all along what Siggy was doing and not be the least bit pissed about it. Rollo seems to still possess enough self loathing to not be to pissed at her.
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Apr 5, 2014 21:36
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Floki only gets a line or two each episode it seems but he always completely nails it. His glee about not being able to keep a secret was great. Yup laughed like crazy after the the short Floki scene, Can you keep a secret? No (Floki then wanders offscreen)
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Apr 6, 2014 00:48
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This show is amazing. It brings back so much nostalgia for my college history courses, heh. The acting in general is strong, but the actor that plays Ragnar is terrific. I caught myself with a huge, dumb grin when he was reunited with the grown-up Bjorn. I also love just how concerned Ragnar is with Aethelstan's well-being. It's touching. Definitely agree with all the Ecbert love. Can't wait to see how this plot-line develops, although I fear for Aethelstan's longevity with such a hostile court.
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Apr 6, 2014 03:23
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I actually find Ragnar's actor to be one of the weakest. Maybe it's just me but he's always smiling/smirking and he is basically Jax Teller The Viking. That's probably just me personal prejudice though.
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Apr 6, 2014 03:48
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Best actor was the dude from the 13th warrior. I still miss him. 
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Apr 6, 2014 04:26
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doctor 7 posted:Best actor was the dude from the 13th warrior. I still miss him. Vladimir Kulich pretty much has the tough viking actor market cornered. I think only Torstein is left from the original raiding crew.
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Apr 6, 2014 04:30
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Estraysian posted:Sure. And there are a whole lot of other Borgs today, but Vikings didn't have surnames. Jarl Haraldsson was kind of a weird name, too...why would they call him by a patronymic?
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Apr 6, 2014 04:54
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doctor 7 posted:Best actor was the dude from the 13th warrior. I still miss him. Him and Leif were both badass and they both died in really lame ways. I mean, voluntary sacrifice was pretty badass I guess, but 13th Warrior getting shanked in his own piss was weak... Edit for obligatory Amon Amarth track : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqiKZY2rMB4 BLOOD EAGLE!
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Stupor Mundi posted:Definitely agree with all the Ecbert love.
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