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There is one version of the story about the Angel of Death (which I think Gaiman sourced a few times), that stated the angel was so beautiful, your soul would willingly leave your body in order to be with it. So they're not being creepy, they're just being mythologically correct!
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Well, the DC Comics PSA special where she showed you how to put a condom on a banana was probably the closest most tropers got to a situation involving a woman and a condom. Or fresh fruit, for that matter.
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Apr 4, 2014 14:59
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Elfface posted:Well, the DC Comics PSA special where she showed you how to put a condom on a banana was probably the closest most tropers got to a situation involving a woman and a condom. When did that happen? Was that a TV show (like Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue) or was it published? And I'd also like to add "...or anything resembling normal sexual education," as most Tropers are American and don't go to the best schools or have the best people to teach them about this stuff.
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Apr 4, 2014 18:50
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It was published, and it's reprinted with one of the Death miniseries--though I forget which. It's called "Death Talks About Life." John Constantine provides the banana.
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Apr 4, 2014 18:56
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The Sin of Onan posted:If on a winter's night a traveller, by Italo Calvino, is the only novel-length second-person narrative I can think of. In its case, the "you" is you, the reader, trying to read Italo Calvino's new novel, If on a winter's night a traveller. It's a very well respected book, and one that probably no troper has ever read. Unless I'm missing something The Reluctant Fundamentalist, is also second person as the whole story is directed to the reader and the only one I can think of at the moment. Also is second person the same as a dramatic monologue in poetry. Here's its depressingly short page http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheReluctantFundamentalist I wonder if it has any analysis Nope
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Apr 4, 2014 19:33
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Keromaru5 posted:It was published, and it's reprinted with one of the Death miniseries--though I forget which. It's called "Death Talks About Life." Actually, it was a middle insert into the entire Vertigo line for a month which is why John Constantine is her assistant. I can't check which trade it's in, though, since I've long since replaced my trades with Absolute volumes.
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Apr 4, 2014 19:56
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A google image search for "constantine banana" yielded results.
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Apr 4, 2014 20:18
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Englishman alone posted:Unless I'm missing something The Reluctant Fundamentalist, is also second person as the whole story is directed to the reader and the only one I can think of at the moment. Also is second person the same as a dramatic monologue in poetry. Pages like that are generally the result of one guy who saw it, liked it enough to make a trope page for it, and then moved on. The analysis page thing only ever happens with massively popular nerd stuff like MLP or Homestuck.
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Apr 4, 2014 23:04
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Has TvTropes ever said anything about the Analysis page? And another thing, what kind of content is there on the pages with actual content on those pages?
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Apr 4, 2014 23:41
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It's normally why My Little Pony is really the most intelligent show on TV and how realistic and awesome the future shown in Warhammer 40k is.
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Apr 5, 2014 00:25
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Parts of the 40K analysis tab are "okay" (namely the part discussing how 40K is the rare sci fi setting that manages the vast scope of space well, and even then it was only by virtue of the setting's obsession with hyperbole), but the rest is talking about how a setting where seven foot tall teutonic knights fighting space orcs and spiky teutonic knights has a political statement behind it. The margaret thatcher reference is a joke you morons, not a criticism.
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Apr 5, 2014 02:02
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Byde posted:And another thing, what kind of content is there on the pages with actual content on those pages? As stated on the Main Page, this trope is what happens when the writer tries to blend a Nice Guy and/or Innocent Fanservice Girl with The Pornomancer and/or Slut in order to avoid the negative connotations of the latter two. People who have a lot of sex are typically portrayed in fiction as unchaste or villainous, and it's usually par for the course for heroic characters to treat sex seriously and carefully. Modern characters who have a lot of sex are usually Plucky Comic Relief, or their promiscuity is treated as a Character Flaw that runs contrary to being with their One True Love. In modern times, your average Chick Magnet or Dude Magnet is likely to be clueless to preserve their Nice Guy image. The Accidental Pornomancer trope was much more prominent in older societies, which had different laws and opinions about sex and "rape". In particular, Mythology and Religion were very fond of this particular trope. (Such as Hercules impregnating King Thespius's daughters during his labors, Odysseus forced into being the lover of both Circe and Calypso, and the incident between Lot and his daughters.) Double Standard: Rape, Divine on Mortal was exceptionally common as well; after all, it's "not their fault" if they're so hot that even a god wants them. This trope is also prominent in Japanese Media. A posited theory is that this is related to Japanese Politeness. For example, it's considered extremely rude to refuse a gift from someone in Japanese culture. It's better to accept the gift, even if you don't want it. Thus, if that "gift" being offered is their body.... You can see where this is going. This trope is an excellent Power Fantasy because it means that the audience can enjoy reading a character who is ultimately "good" but still finds themselves in Deus Sex Machina situations. The easiest way to shatter a sexual fantasy is to make the audience feel guilt or responsibility. However, the less of that and the more Head-Tiltingly Kinky the scenario, the more potent the fantasy. This allows people who otherwise inexperienced with sex or unable to relate to The Casanova to engage sexual subjects and fantasy with not much discomfort. People who are meek or unassertive can put themselves into the shoes of this character, with the key to this trope being the character's attitude. It's about cases of coitus when it wasn't something the character initiated or acted upon; sex is something that just happens. If they had any hand in bringing to be, then it means they're The Casanova, Really Gets Around, or actual Pornomancer. The "accidental" in this title means that sex is something which pursues them just as (or more) often as they pursue it. This is not an easy trope to do. It requires Rule of Sexy to have the intended effect, but that becomes exponentially harder to do each time it happens. Every time the audience sees the trope (even if it wasn't in YOUR story), they will believe it less, and it thus starts to stretch Willing Suspension of Disbelief. Also, it helps when there is some explanation for why the character remains innocent despite all the sex they constantly have. Due to societal preconceptions, someone who constantly has sex is "promiscuous" and someone who is constantly taken advantage of sexually is being victimized. We have a trope which covers this for women, but it's seen as very unusual for a male. As such, it takes a very delicate touch to pull this trope off in a serious narrative. Below are common excuses why an Accidental Pornomancer is absolved of their responsibility: Dismay: "I don't think we're supposed to be doing this..." Confusion: "I don't get it, what's the big deal about me?" Apathy: "Sure, I get laid, but it's not like it means anything." Deflection: "It's not my fault! I had to do it!" Blame-shifting: "They wouldn't take no for an answer." Pity: "I didn't want to break his/her heart or hurt his/her feelings." Reversing the question: "If someone that hot wanted you, would YOU say no?" Resignation: "Alright, you win again. Your place or mine today?" Complete obliviousness: "Yes, I slept with a different person everyday this month. Doesn't everybody?"
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Madoka Magica is about female sexuality. Becoming a Mahou Shoujo represents losing virginity. Wishes, represented by QB, are the desire. It makes you a Mahou Shoujo, and you can't kill it. Mahou Shoujos turn into Witches. Witches represent perversion/whoredom. You lose your virginity (become a Mahou Shoujo) due to desire (making a wish), then eventually you maybe are consumed by the socioemotional problems of such (Hope to Despair) and thus turn into a pervert (Witch). The fact that Mahou Shoujos kill Witches represents the fight against perversion once you know how good sex is.
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Apr 5, 2014 05:58
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As the queen of her parent's kingdom, Elsa is very covered up and feels confined due to her role and powers. Once she runs away she creates her own ice palace out in the wilderness, her outfit changes according. As the Snow Queen, she is much less covered up and declares that she is free of social expectations. The imagery calls upon the idea of the sexually liberated woman to add to the notion that she's casting away all manner of shame (contributing to some interpretations that the ice powers are a metaphor for homosexuality). Strangely enough, the choice has been criticized as well, with some complaining that in order to be free, you also need to "get hot", as if girls would need to wrestle with the beauty myth even more. Whether this is the case or not is up for interpretation. More like it contributes to the already widespread idea that the more sexual and sexually active you are, the more comfortable with yourself you are. Obviously this is not true and contributing to the dismissal and erasure of people like asexuals or those who are otherwise not very interested in sex. Yes, Frozen, a film in which familial love triumphs over corrupt romantic love, is contributing to  asexual erasure
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Apr 5, 2014 06:02
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paradoxGentleman posted:I exaggerated a little.Sorry about that. I didn't check out literally every single thing I find interesting. No one has that much free time. But I do have a recent example. Really? No weird obsessing over the bit with the fertility goddess' vagina swallowing the guy?
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quote:Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality whole series review by Xfing 3rd Apr 14 This one makes me laugh: quote:Captain America The Winter Soldier film/book review by clockworkboy 4th Apr 14 Venusian Weasel fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Apr 5, 2014 |
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In the real world, SCIENCE will ensure we live forever in the singularity. Unlike in Harry Potter.
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Gold from the Atlas Shrugged review comment section:quote:I just think it's a bad review because it's not about the book, it's about the book's political ideas. Uh...
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Apr 5, 2014 06:52
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Venusian Weasel posted:Gold from the Atlas Shrugged review comment section: I don't get it - are they saying all those words don't mean anything? Or that the story is so literal it's only about the surface relationships of the four major characters? Do tropers think 'Atlas Shrugged' is codename for the steam-powered alloy metal mecha Dabny is building in the secret mountain base to rescue John 'Motormouth' Galt?
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Apr 5, 2014 08:22
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Venusian Weasel posted:Gold from the Atlas Shrugged review comment section: "Animal Farm was about communism" NO IT WAS ABOUT A FARM JUST TALK ABOUT THE BOOK
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Austrian mook posted:"Animal Farm was about communism" It’s an allegorical novella about Stalinism by George Orwell, and spoiler alert, IT SUCKS. http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/11356/archer-on-animal-farm I really wanted to make that reference
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System Metternich posted:Deathism? You know those people who elected to have their bodies frozen so that in the future, a benevolent entity might one day thaw them up, restore them to life and allow them to live in a future utopia? They consider people who accept death and bury their relatives - or chose to be buried themselves - as idiots and deathists. The guy who is writing HPatMoR is one such guy. Of course, this belief is completely different from what many religious people believe. Christians, after all, believe that a benevolent entity will one day restore them to life and allow them to live in a future utopia.
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Apr 5, 2014 13:14
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I tried reading that stupid Harry Potter fanfiction once. It was awful, probably even more terrible than the regular crap fanfiction authors write. It was nothing about the author wanking about how smart he was because SCIENCE and LOGIC. There's being a logical and reasonable person, and then there's being a smug and condescending robot. Things like love and friendship aren't illogical. If we didn't have them, we wouldn't have a civilization. We'd just be a bunch of apes, scrabbling about in the dirt, fighting eachother all the time because we don't give a single gently caress about our fellow human beings. Even robots in fiction are closer to people than what these clowns seem to idealize. Asimov's 3 laws are basically unconditional love for humans, after all.
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Apr 5, 2014 13:39
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I think the worst thing about that stupid loving story is the absolutely laughable 'scientific rationality' that the author tries to portray. Harry's response to magic: "BLARGH BLARGH HOW DARE YOU VIOLATE THE SACRED AND IMMUTABLE COMMANDMENTS OF SCIENCE WITH YOUR MAGIC LET ME EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE WRONG." Actual rational scientist's response to magic: "This is some extremely interesting phenomena, let's run some tests and see if we can't come up with some new physics models that allow for these events."
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Apr 5, 2014 13:44
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ArchangeI posted:You know those people who elected to have their bodies frozen so that in the future, a benevolent entity might one day thaw them up, restore them to life and allow them to live in a future utopia? They consider people who accept death and bury their relatives - or chose to be buried themselves - as idiots and deathists. The guy who is writing HPatMoR is one such guy. If you like Pascal's Wager, you'll love Roko's Basilisk!
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MinistryofLard posted:Really? No weird obsessing over the bit with the fertility goddess' vagina swallowing the guy? I know, right? You'd think it would be straight up their alley. Maybe the ones with that kind of fetish didn't make it that far in the book.
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Punting posted:I think the worst thing about that stupid loving story is the absolutely laughable 'scientific rationality' that the author tries to portray. The guy legit thinks that his form of Bayesianism is better than science.
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chrisoya posted:If you like Pascal's Wager, you'll love Roko's Basilisk! That is the most loving ridiculous thing I have ever encountered in my life. Especially hilarious was how King Wanker Yudkowsky cracked down on anyone even mentioning it, like some kind of sperg Savonarola.
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AlbieQuirky posted:That is the most loving ridiculous thing I have ever encountered in my life. Especially hilarious was how King Wanker Yudkowsky cracked down on anyone even mentioning it, like some kind of sperg Savonarola. "Yudokowsky posted:I don't usually talk like this, but I'm going to make an exception for this case. 
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Did he...did he just censor a post on an Internet message board because it might give a hypothetical AI or other intelligent being that may or may not exist yet ideas?
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ArchangeI posted:Did he...did he just censor a post on an Internet message board because it might give a hypothetical AI or other intelligent being that may or may not exist yet ideas? People were straight-up freaking out and going increasingly crazy over the post over the fear that it might be real and true. It's not just Yudkowsky, it was lots of the people on the site and it was amazing
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I had no idea what Roko's basilisk was so I looked it up. Good God. Although I am rather fond of this counterexample presented on that page: quote:Remember that LessWrong memes are strange compared to the rest of humanity; you will have been learning odd thinking habits without the usual social sanity checks. You are not a philosophical construct in mindspace, but a human, made of meat like everyone else. Take time to recalibrate your thinking against that of reasonable people you know. Seek out other people to be around and talk to (about non-LW topics) in real life — though possibly not philosophers.
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Another Harry Potter fanfic that I recall being very popular on TV Tropes was one called Dumbledore's Army In the Year of Darkness, which tells the story of what happened at Hogwarts during book seven (all kinds of death and torture, apparently). Of course, a lot of folks remain convinced it's Better Than Canon (a page which I recall used to have a ton of examples; small mercy that they've been removed, I guess). I understand it's pretty notorious on the Internet because the writer turned out to be a con artist and basically a cult leader?
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potatocubed posted:I had no idea what Roko's basilisk was so I looked it up. I legit thought it was a shoutout to some obscure 15th century play. drat. The rabbithole goes deep on this one, but I have to admire the sheer nerve to create a website where people can donate so that a future AI will not consider them enemies (and then create something that looks like them only to torture it). It is an amazing play on the indulgence sales the catholic church used to do (proving once again that LessWrong is literally Christianity, except that the pope wears a labcoat).
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Metal Loaf posted:I understand it's pretty notorious on the Internet because the writer turned out to be a con artist and basically a cult leader? Andy Blake/Victoria Bitter/Thanfiction is a notorious conartist in the fandom community. He has a habit of latching onto whatever is a big name fandom of the time (pretty sure his current one is Supernatural), and scamming people out of money, time, all sorts of things. This includes being convicted of charity fraud, like the page mentions. I will give the TVTropes page at least some credit for pointing out that Andy is a serious scam artist, since a lot of people who are fans of his work would practically defend him to the death in the face of all the evidence that he's a criminal. The cult leader stuff is how a lot of people who personally knew, and in some cases lived with, him describe their experiences with him. Pretty much just Google something like 'Andy Blake scam artist' and a bunch of links will come up about the poo poo he's pulled.
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AngryRobotsInc posted:Andy Blake/Victoria Bitter/Thanfiction is a notorious conartist in the fandom community. He has a habit of latching onto whatever is a big name fandom of the time (pretty sure his current one is Supernatural), and scamming people out of money, time, all sorts of things. This includes being convicted of charity fraud, like the page mentions. I will give the TVTropes page at least some credit for pointing out that Andy is a serious scam artist, since a lot of people who are fans of his work would practically defend him to the death in the face of all the evidence that he's a criminal.
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ArchangeI posted:Did he...did he just censor a post on an Internet message board because it might give a hypothetical AI or other intelligent being that may or may not exist yet ideas?
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I love Roko's Basilisk because it proves how much Yudokowsky's (and people like him, and there are quite a few) masturbatory love of the enlightenment and the triumph of reason over superstition is full of bullshit. They sit and glory about how much smarter they are, and their civilization is, than all those stupid morons in the past, then promptly have an existential crisis because their pseudonymous, autistic poor man's version of Augustine decided to pontificate on transhumanist metaphysics. There's this whole insane catechism required to even make it work, not the least of which is the crazy belief that the suffering of a computer simulation of you derived from logical deductions based on whatever traces of information survive about you is functionally equivalent to you suffering for eternity. Literally a belief that is functionally equivalent to an immortal soul, only with technology taking the place of god. Yet they internalize this crap 100% because one of their logisticians (priests) said so during his though experiment (sermon). But they still sit there  ing about how much better they are than those stupid Christians. They're like logic fundamentalists, they don't actually understand their own philosophy, all they know is that it makes them better than other people.
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Venusian Weasel posted:Harry Potter and the Autistic Spectrum You left out the part of the thread read where a 12 year old Draco literally plots a violent rape to knock Luna Lovegood down a peg.
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