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notthegoatseguy posted:No. The entire focus is on Peter. Actually it's all on Johnny Storm but I can see how you would make that mistake.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Actually it's all on Johnny Storm but I can see how you would make that mistake. Bobby had the best take on Peter's future.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:22
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notthegoatseguy posted:USM 200 was a complete punch to the gut. I feel really bad for Kitty after reading that. Yeah, that moment in 200 surprised me and was quite sad. I always thought that Kitty and Peter's brief relationship was really entertaining, and it actually made me a fan of her character in the Ultimate universe.
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Apr 3, 2014 19:17
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How can someone write something as mediocre as Cataclysm or Survive and immediately turn around and write USM 200? I do not understand.
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Apr 5, 2014 16:51
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Inkspot posted:How can someone write something as mediocre as Cataclysm or Survive and immediately turn around and write USM 200? I do not understand. Bendis can write the hell out of Ultimate Spider-Man. Welp, that's his skillset in a nutshell.
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Apr 5, 2014 18:16
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Yeah, Bendis' whole thing is that he's really lacklustre doing big events, but can absolutely write the poo poo out of a couple people sitting in a room talking, nothing weird or surprising about it
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Apr 5, 2014 18:24
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I hope Bendis writes Ultimate Spider-Man until he dies. I don't ever want to see it written by someone else.
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Apr 5, 2014 18:42
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I've always thought Bendis was really great at the build-ups to big earth-shaking events; he's just really terrible at the denouements. I think he writes USM's big events well because they're always far more personal than they are world-changing.
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Apr 5, 2014 19:27
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Deadpool posted:I hope Bendis writes Ultimate Spider-Man until he dies. I don't ever want to see it written by someone else. I expect to see the book cancelled once he stops writing it. The only reason I think it still going now (love the book, but the sales are poo poo) is because of him.
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Apr 6, 2014 15:10
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rkajdi posted:I expect to see the book cancelled once he stops writing it. The only reason I think it still going now (love the book, but the sales are poo poo) is because of him. Soon, soon Skyman will have his triumf over Ultimate Spider-Man  This can't be right, can it? 
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Apr 6, 2014 15:35
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Pimpmust posted:Soon, soon Skyman will have his triumf over Ultimate Spider-Man The last issue I could find numbers on was #28 (October 2013), which was 85th on the sales charts with 31K circulation-- that's in the same area as the fan-fav X-Factor which has a relaunch circling the drain. I thought both were decent books, but neither sells well anymore. The only reason to keep try to make the corpse walk is as a favor to someone. The only name creator involved anymore is Bendis, so he's the best guess. FAKE EDIT: I guess the latest issue might be considered to be Cataclysm: Ultimate Spider-Man #2, which was #66 with 30K sales. The industry as a whole is doing horribly, and the Ultimate line doesn't seem to have much popularity anymore.
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Apr 6, 2014 16:00
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Opopanax posted:Yeah, Bendis' whole thing is that he's really lacklustre doing big events, but can absolutely write the poo poo out of a couple people sitting in a room talking, nothing weird or surprising about it In my ideal world, he'd only be allowed to write more intimate, smaller-scale books. Of course, his team books keep selling, so I can't really blame Marvel for that.
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Apr 6, 2014 16:46
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rkajdi posted:The last issue I could find numbers on was #28 (October 2013), which was 85th on the sales charts with 31K circulation-- that's in the same area as the fan-fav X-Factor which has a relaunch circling the drain. I thought both were decent books, but neither sells well anymore. The only reason to keep try to make the corpse walk is as a favor to someone. The only name creator involved anymore is Bendis, so he's the best guess. I was checking this site which had Marvel Universe Ultimate Spider-Man #22 at 4,761 copies sold (to north american comic shops). http://comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-01.html And the way Bendis sticks his pet characters into the Avengers and the like I think he actually wants to be writing those big events, he's just not very good at it.
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Pimpmust posted:I was checking this site which had Marvel Universe Ultimate Spider-Man #22 at 4,761 copies sold (to north american comic shops). You're looking at the wrong book. The Ultimate Spider-man you're seeing is an all-ages tie-in for the cartoon. The book that's more relevant on this chart is Catacylsm USM #3. It sold 28K copies at 78th place. It's slightly above the level of Teen Titans and My Little Pony: Pedo is Magic. That tells me there's still a serious problem for USM.
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rkajdi posted:You're looking at the wrong book. The Ultimate Spider-man you're seeing is an all-ages tie-in for the cartoon. The book that's more relevant on this chart is Catacylsm USM #3. It sold 28K copies at 78th place. It's slightly above the level of Teen Titans and My Little Pony: Pedo is Magic. That tells me there's still a serious problem for USM. Its been like this for a long time. Hell they killed off a main character and pulled a new (not as bad) ultimatium and still haven't made it budge all that much. I wonder how long they keep this going.
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Apr 6, 2014 18:13
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It could get really good trade numbers or maybe they just have a different standard for the Ultimate books than they do a 616. Are the sales at least consistent or are they dropping a thousand or two each month?
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Apr 6, 2014 19:29
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Ultimate Spider-Man exists in the same bubble as say Captain Marvel. Neither books sells but their importance to Marvel, especially with the decision to replace Peter with Miles outweighs the sales figures. Also while the writer is Bendis, the biggest current Marvel writer, the artists he has been getting on the book since Immonen has left have mostly been "new" artists that wouldn't command as big of a paycheck as the "A list" artists that get trotted out for big event books.
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Apr 6, 2014 19:37
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notthegoatseguy posted:It could get really good trade numbers or maybe they just have a different standard for the Ultimate books than they do a 616. Are the sales at least consistent or are they dropping a thousand or two each month? The latter. But honestly that's every book out right now. I can't think this says anything but bad things about the industry in the near term.
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Apr 6, 2014 22:50
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rkajdi posted:The latter. But honestly that's every book out right now. I can't think this says anything but bad things about the industry in the near term. Here are three 60 issue self-contained well remembered Vertigo titles: Transmetropolitan #1 - 18,151 Transmetropolitan #30 - 18,392 Transmetropolitan #60 - 18,297 Y the Last Man #1 - 15,287 Y the Last Man #30 - 25,693 Y the Last Man #60 - 28,412 Scalped #1 - 13,644 Scalped #30 - 7,054 Scalped #60 - 6,432 And those are three "success stories". The monthly sales don't pick up nearly as much as the reprints and probably these days the digital copies.
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Apr 6, 2014 23:55
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USM might be one of those books that does gangbusters in trade comparative to its single issue sales. It's always hard to tell, but the single issue sales rarely tell the whole story of a book's health anymore.
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Apr 7, 2014 00:23
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Considering how often they reboot, I doubt it.
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Apr 7, 2014 00:30
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CharlestheHammer posted:Considering how often they reboot, I doubt it. Zero times?
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Opopanax posted:Zero times? four by my count. Though that depends on what you consider a reboot, I guess. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 01:21
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Well what do you consider a reboot? Especially one that would affect trades? Because the trade volumes count up normally until Miles takes over, so that'd be 1
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Apr 7, 2014 02:28
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How about relaunches? everyone good with that word? First relaunch being post-ultimatum and all
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Yeah, this will be the fourth USM #1. That's a reboot in my book.
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Apr 7, 2014 03:12
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I get that, but Bean was talking specifically about the trades, which as far as I can tell were numbered consistently until Miles took over
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Opopanax posted:I get that, but Bean was talking specifically about the trades, which as far as I can tell were numbered consistently until Miles took over But you initially said zero times. Opopanax posted:Zero times? See? So there was at least one.
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Well yeah, but that was back when I was talking out of my rear end and hadn't actually looked it up.
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Apr 7, 2014 03:49
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Opopanax posted:I get that, but Bean was talking specifically about the trades, which as far as I can tell were numbered consistently until Miles took over about that
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Opopanax posted:Well yeah, but that was back when I was talking out of my rear end and hadn't actually looked it up. And you were still wrong there as well.
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Apr 7, 2014 03:59
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Rhyno posted:Yeah, this will be the fourth USM #1. That's a reboot in my book. Personally I don't consider a renumbering to be the same as a reboot. To me anyway, reboot means continuity was in some way affected by a retcon.
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Opopanax posted:I get that, but Bean was talking specifically about the trades, which as far as I can tell were numbered consistently until Miles took over They're not. The trades through Ultimatum are all in sequence. The post Ultimatum trades start from one again (at least the first two do) and eventually end with Parker's death, although since I have the omnibus for that part, I'm not certain how the final couple are numbered. EDIT: So beaten.
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Myrddin Emrys posted:Personally I don't consider a renumbering to be the same as a reboot. To me anyway, reboot means continuity was in some way affected by a retcon. The first time the book was post Ultimatum and became Ultimate COMICS Spider-man and changed up the status quo in a pretty major way. The second time they loving killed Peter off. This time it's another massive change as well as re-naming the book.
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Apr 7, 2014 04:17
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Yeah they wouldn't bother with renumbering if they didn't want that sweet sweet (imagined) #1 boost. It's like they looked at the statistics of say, the first 1-100 run and noted that trend, drawing the obvious conclusion that the low-numbered issues sell more because they are low-numbered 
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Apr 7, 2014 05:47
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The failure of the past two Ultimate relaunches makes it pretty clear that there's no real demand for an Ultimate line (as in multiple books) anymore and that Marvel is trying their "kill a bunch of characters, relaunch books, watch their numbers quickly drop to the cancellation range" formula for the third time primarily out of misplaced pride.
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Apr 7, 2014 05:53
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Barry Convex posted:The failure of the past two Ultimate relaunches makes it pretty clear that there's no real demand for an Ultimate line (as in multiple books) anymore and that Marvel is trying their "kill a bunch of characters, relaunch books, watch their numbers quickly drop to the cancellation range" formula primarily out of misplaced pride. The UU only exists at this point because Bendis wants to keep writing USM.
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Apr 7, 2014 05:56
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Rhyno posted:The UU only exists at this point because Bendis wants to keep writing USM. But why do there need to be two other Ultimate books?
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Rhyno posted:The UU only exists at this point because Bendis wants to keep writing USM. I don't see the problem.
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