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computer parts posted:Brandon Sanderson's third Mistborn trilogy will be this. Well at this point it may be the fourth. Since Alloy of law expanded from a short to a novella and is now getting a sequel.
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spoilered for those who have not read cold days yet: I've been listening to cold days, when they mention that immortals can die on Halloween, if the island had blown up would all of the things in the well be killed permanently? I was also wondering how long until Harry taps into the power of the well
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Apr 6, 2014 04:34
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Oroborus posted:spoilered for those who have not read cold days yet: From how I understood it, The Halloween rule only applies to faerie creatures. Also, the way it was explained, the self destruct doesn't even kill the prisoners. It just hurts them enough that they need time to recuperate and thus gives the rest of the world a chance to prepare.
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Apr 6, 2014 05:14
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Vateke posted:From how I understood it, The Halloween rule only applies to faerie creatures. Also, the way it was explained, the self destruct doesn't even kill the prisoners. It just hurts them enough that they need time to recuperate and thus gives the rest of the world a chance to prepare. This is wrong. It applies to all immortals. It was mentioned that Cowl had to perform his necromancy ritual on Halloween because that's the time he would be able to go from mortal to immortal. It's not just a fairy thing. I think it's possible it would have killed many of the prisoners permanently, but some would be so powerful that they'd only be injured.
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Apr 6, 2014 05:37
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Wittgen posted:This is wrong. It applies to all immortals. It was mentioned that Cowl had to perform his necromancy ritual on Halloween because that's the time he would be able to go from mortal to immortal. It's not just a fairy thing. Which of course might beg the question - were they just trying to break someone(thing) out, or kill off certain prisoners (or both probably)? I imagine there are some very nasty things in Demonreach that would be quite hostile to the Outsiders melting all of existence down or whatnot. Harry having to let some of his prisoners on "work release" to stop the end of the world does seem like a very Dresden thing to have happen (i.e. awesome and with inevitable further problems to Harry down the road for doing it). I don't know that Outsiders hold to the "killed on Halloween = dead" rule though; by definition they don't follow the usual rules of existence, and I'm skeptical we've seen the last of Sharkface as this would imply.
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Apr 6, 2014 20:58
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MadDogMike posted:Which of course might beg the question - were they just trying to break someone(thing) out, or kill off certain prisoners (or both probably)? I imagine there are some very nasty things in Demonreach that would be quite hostile to the Outsiders melting all of existence down or whatnot. Harry having to let some of his prisoners on "work release" to stop the end of the world does seem like a very Dresden thing to have happen (i.e. awesome and with inevitable further problems to Harry down the road for doing it). I don't know that Outsiders hold to the "killed on Halloween = dead" rule though; by definition they don't follow the usual rules of existence, and I'm skeptical we've seen the last of Sharkface as this would imply. Triggering the gigantic fail safe explosion was their main plan.
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Apr 6, 2014 21:39
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keiran_helcyan posted:Triggering the gigantic fail safe explosion was their main plan. But was it really? It's interesting because we don't actually know.
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Apr 6, 2014 22:05
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So, with Skin Game coming up, and the resolution to the Lash/parasite plotline sure to be included, what are people's theories on what will happen? Personally, I expect Lash to act as a replacement for Bob, now that Bob isn't readily available for Harry.
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Apr 7, 2014 02:48
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People put out a theory about Lash being literally birthed from Harry's head ala Athena and that seems remarkably Dresden-like to me.
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Apr 7, 2014 02:51
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Error 404 posted:But was it really? This is where I go with it, I know they mention it blowing up half the U.S but that seems so twirling mustache villain if that makes sense. Maybe blowing upthe well would have released like King outsider or something?
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Apr 7, 2014 03:06
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Oroborus posted:This is where I go with it, I know they mention it blowing up half the U.S but that seems so twirling mustache villain if that makes sense. Maybe blowing upthe well would have released like King outsider or something? I assume the point was to cause a huge distraction to the forces working against the Outsiders. Plus, I would think a catastrophe that large would have metaphysical effects on the Nevernever, possibly giving the Outsiders an advantage in their front line war.
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Apr 7, 2014 03:10
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Silento posted:So, with Skin Game coming up, and the resolution to the Lash/parasite plotline sure to be included, what are people's theories on what will happen? Personally, I expect Lash to act as a replacement for Bob, now that Bob isn't readily available for Harry. I saved my favorite theory because I had to share it with my brother. Someone posted it in this thread shortly after Cold Days released. Here it is: DrFrankenStrudel posted:Here's something I picked up on that noone else has mentioned. If you remember Harry's mental depictions of Lash she was always a woman dressed in an ancient Greek style tunic/robe, which is what put me on this train of thought. Harry's situation has a lot of comparability with Greek mythology, specifically the Athena mythos.
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Apr 7, 2014 05:19
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^ At the very least it's interesting that the parasite has done everything in its power to keep Harry alive and kicking (headaches notwithstanding), doubly so if you believe the theory that Lash was the shadow that prompted him into taking the mantle of the Winter Knight.
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Apr 7, 2014 07:14
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Scintilla posted:^ At the very least it's interesting that the parasite has done everything in its power to keep Harry alive and kicking (headaches notwithstanding), doubly so if you believe the theory that Lash was the shadow that prompted him into taking the mantle of the Winter Knight. I think it's more likely that the original Lasciel was the whispering shadow in that encounter. A reconstituted Lash would be a potential ally for Harry, but the ancient evil archangel Lasciel will always hate him for being the one mortal who resisted her temptations.
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Yeah, the Athena theory is a good one too. I don't think the Bob thing would be mutually exclusive, though. I am kinda curious, though, about where she'd stay. Would she just hang out on Demonreach with Harry? I can only imagine the gang's reactions.
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keiran_helcyan posted:I think it's more likely that the original Lasciel was the whispering shadow in that encounter. A reconstituted Lash would be a potential ally for Harry, but the ancient evil archangel Lasciel will always hate him for being the one mortal who resisted her temptations. I'm on board with the shadow's goal being Harry taking up Lasciel's coin, but I don't think Lash/Lasciel (or even one of the other Denarians) would be considered as "cheating" by doing that since they've given up substantial amounts of power for increased agency. Also there's the fact that it prompted a direct response from Uriel, and I don't think any of the Denarians have the mojo to require that. Butcher makes a big deal about balance between Heaven/Hell in terms of actions and reactions, and the Knights are the specific counter to the Denarians. It'd have to be a capital-B Badass for a whisper to a) count as cheating and b) get Uriel himself to respond. It's been theorized before, but Lucifer himself (or perhaps just one of the regular Fallen) would do it, or it could be some other evil jerk we haven't directly encountered yet. Bonus  theory: It was Mab in disguise 
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:but I don't think Lash/Lasciel (or even one of the other Denarians) would be considered as "cheating" by doing that since they've given up substantial amounts of power for increased agency. It arguably wouldn't be cheating for Lash/Lasciel to try to influence Harry that way, but it certainly would be for any of the other Denarian Fallen. (He never picked up any of their coins.) Also, I just can't shake the idea that it's somehow all tied up in Cassius' DIE ALONE curse. quote:Also there's the fact that it prompted a direct response from Uriel, and I don't think any of the Denarians have the mojo to require that. The other possibility is that Uriel was not so much required to intervene as he was looking for an excuse to. Sure, the technical counter for one of the Denarians messing with Harry is to have someone with a sword come around for an inspirational chat. (And come to think of it, didn't Sanya tell him broadly the same thing in Changes that Uriel told him later on, that he still had some say in his fate no matter what Mab wanted him to think?) But I can totally buy Uriel leaning hard on a technicality to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. Remember, he's the archangel that Mab admires and respects, and think about how she treats rules.
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That mention of Cassius' curse is interesting. Are you saying that maybe the power of the death curse is slowly forcing the parasite out of Harry's head? Hence the headaches? He certainly couldn't die alone if there was another person in his head. May is taking far too long to get here.
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The thing is, it wasn't the whisper in and of itself that was the cheating - it was the fact that the whisper was a lie, carefully chosen by a being that knew exactly what to say, how to say it, and when to say it to effectively take away Harry's free will to make his decision. It's entirely possible that Harry would've come to same choice, but he never really got the opportunity without being influenced.
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Uriel also probably could have just told Harry right after the fact, but he chose to play the long game. Harry's never really taken the time to dwell on how Uriel might be manipulating him. Apparently in an interview when asked if we've seen the last of Lasciel Butcher responded negatively with a reference to a woman scorned. Influencing Harry via a whisper seems to match that in my mind.
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docbeard posted:It arguably wouldn't be cheating for Lash/Lasciel to try to influence Harry that way, but it certainly would be for any of the other Denarian Fallen. (He never picked up any of their coins.) It might be moot, I would be pretty surprised if any of the other Denarians even could pull something like that, now that I think about it. docbeard posted:The other possibility is that Uriel was not so much required to intervene as he was looking for an excuse to. That's a good point actually. Given how little we actually know about Uriel's endgame it's anybody's guess as to whether someone of his level was required to balance things and he simply waited until a good time, or if he actively "volunteered" to do it. Wittgen posted:He certainly couldn't die alone if there was another person in his head. Well, poo poo.
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Is Cassius' death curse even still active? It's already been triggered.
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Wittgen posted:That mention of Cassius' curse is interesting. Are you saying that maybe the power of the death curse is slowly forcing the parasite out of Harry's head? Hence the headaches? He certainly couldn't die alone if there was another person in his head. It would be a hilarious unintended consequence if that were the case, and even more so if it was Cassius' curse that kept Harry alive long enough for Mab to collect him because he wasn't alone when he was shot/drowned.
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:It might be moot, I would be pretty surprised if any of the other Denarians even could pull something like that, now that I think about it. Honestly, I got the impression (though I'll grant that it's all a bit vague) that none of the Fallen could do that, because they couldn't act in the mortal world without permission. Like it wasn't even a matter of there being rules against it, but that it shouldn't have even been possible. Though, of course, Nemesis provides an easy out for that, as it seems to be all about letting/making supernatural critters circumvent their usual limits. I'm not saying that it has to be a Denarian, rather than the Devil Himself or some other player we haven't met yet or Mab wearing a wig, just that I wouldn't rule out the idea. Wittgen posted:That mention of Cassius' curse is interesting. Are you saying that maybe the power of the death curse is slowly forcing the parasite out of Harry's head? Hence the headaches? He certainly couldn't die alone if there was another person in his head. I was actually thinking more that the death curse was tied up in the secret whisper that led to Harry's attempted Suicide By Mercenary in Changes, but that's an angle I hadn't thought of before, and you're right, it is an interesting idea.
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If i remember correctly there are two groups. There are the fallen, and then there are the denarians. The fallen are not supposed to be able to interfere with humanity, but what if that just means is they can not interact without direct balancing of the scales.
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docbeard posted:
I think Satan would be an interesting character in all of this because he's explicitly not on the side of Uriel et all but there's a pretty good chance he doesn't like the Outsiders either. I guess in this upcoming book we'll see a similar figure in Hades and maybe Santa Claus isn't the only mythological figure to have more than one name.
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Reminder that the title of a future book is confirmed to be 'Hell's Bells'.
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Well, the Santa thing wasn't made out of whole cloth. There really were stories about the all-father riding around and delivering things (I don't remember what the things were, and I'm too lazy to google it atm) into boots. Have Satan/Lucifer (assuming they're the same person in The Dresden Files) and Hades been conflated in a similar way?
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Silento posted:Well, the Santa thing wasn't made out of whole cloth. There really were stories about the all-father riding around and delivering things (I don't remember what the things were, and I'm too lazy to google it atm) into boots. Have Satan/Lucifer (assuming they're the same person in The Dresden Files) and Hades been conflated in a similar way? Not sure about in a "father of all evil" sense, but in a "ruler of the realm of the damned" sense there is a lot to go on in other mythologies. I get the feeling that Butcher has intentionally set apart the major spiritual entities of Christianity, though. Then again there could be some pretty interesting stuff in the overlap of, for example, Catholic patron saints and the figures that held similar niches in other belief systems.
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Please make the Devil A) Ray Wise or B) Peter Stormare's Devil from Constantine. It'll have to be different on a whole new level, but also sympathetic fallen angel like Lash was heading towards.
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Captain Capacitor posted:Please make the Devil A) Ray Wise or B) Peter Stormare's Devil from Constantine. It'll have to be different on a whole new level, but also sympathetic fallen angel like Lash was heading towards. Marcone with horns 
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Ray Wise Satan is the best Satan. Only reason I kept watching that show.
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Captain Capacitor posted:Please make the Devil A) Ray Wise or B) Peter Stormare's Devil from Constantine. It'll have to be different on a whole new level, but also sympathetic fallen angel like Lash was heading towards. Lucifer from Supernatural would also be cool but he works more because you get to see angels a lot more in that series. Silento posted:Well, the Santa thing wasn't made out of whole cloth. There really were stories about the all-father riding around and delivering things (I don't remember what the things were, and I'm too lazy to google it atm) into boots. Have Satan/Lucifer (assuming they're the same person in The Dresden Files) and Hades been conflated in a similar way? Hades (the place) was a common synonym for Hell in the New Testament*. *Sort of up to interpretation, and most likely because it was originally written in Greek.
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Captain Capacitor posted:Please make the Devil A) Ray Wise or B) Peter Stormare's Devil from Constantine. It'll have to be different on a whole new level, but also sympathetic fallen angel like Lash was heading towards. Bonus option) Satan from Adventures of Albert Einstein.
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Just finished going through the series again by listening to it on audiobook, there were a few things in the final scenes I wondered if there were any answers from jim on or speculation: Cold days spoilers 1)Mab mentions that she had another plan for molly other than becoming one of the ladies, she does mention she always thought Molly was a better fit for summer but was there another plan involved? 2) What are the responsibilities for the winter lady that Mab needed to teach Molly? If it were just the outer gates stuff why so secretive since Harry already knew? 3) Mac doesn't heal until Mab reaches into his body and pulls out the bullet, is he part Faerie and the iron was keeping him from healing or is he something else?
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Apr 15, 2014 03:26
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Oroborus posted:
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Oroborus posted:Cold days spoilers I almost read that as Mac holding back the healing and Mab essentially telling him to cut the crap. Mac isn't Fey, he's out.
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I will preface this by saying I have never read a Dresden blog, rarely post or read here unless I have a question or thought and I am currently on "Changes," maybe a quarter of the way through. Every single book I finish leads me to the same conclusion: we have met the man behind it all. The man behind the Black Council and perhaps everything. Who is it? ...Ferrovax.... The dragon (small d) made only a small appearance, coincidentally at Byanca's party, or maybe not so coincidentally, and then vanished. He wields massive power, has relations of some type or other with forces beyond the normal beings of the Nevernever and holds a massive grudge against the various forces of the World for disrupting what he sees as balance. It just feels right, considering it wouldn't be something from left field, a perhaps debilitating deus ex machina, or insane double-cross. The question becomes, if Dragons can appear as "anything" has he appeared as other things throughout the series without us knowing? Now watch this was completely disproved somehow in the end of Changes, Ghost Story or Cold Days :P Shammypants fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Hello Urban Fantasy thread. Pact by the guy who did Worm is fantastic so far http://pactwebserial.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/bonds-1-1/ . Just a heads up.
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Oroborus posted:Just finished going through the series again by listening to it on audiobook, there were a few things in the final scenes I wondered if there were any answers from jim on or speculation: Bullets aren't iron and if it was Mab couldn't have touched it
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