I love cats posted:

I am not sold to the melee hype. From what I have seen, I do not think they are a solid alternative to fire weapons. I find that having to "switch" to use, as opposed to the current quick use (quick attacks and charged attacks), leaves you open to attacks, and takes from the nimble, fast paced approach of the game.

I love cats posted:

I am disappointed that charged attacks will be removed. I think it dumbs down an already dumbed down game.

Charged attacks are, in my opinion, an useful method to keep melee-based mobs at bay when your primary is lacking in that department (i.e. penta, ogris, bows, etc), without having to smash your keyboard. I will miss the Jat Kittag charge attacks.

I am not at all sold to the melee hype. From what I have seen, I do not think melee is a solid alternative to gunplay. I find that having to "switch" to use, as opposed to the current quick use (quick attacks and charged attacks), leaves you open to attacks, and takes away from the nimbleness, fast paced approach of the game.

Instead of shooting and using melee as needed, without breaking your tempo, you will have to voluntarily commit to attrition close combat because gimmick combos? Why would I want to do that?

Also, how come you can't use fast secondary weapon fire while using a melee weapon? That would have been a neat feature to have, a la Equilibruim movie. Slash, slash, bang bang, slash some more, ra-ta-ta-ta.

gently caress that noise. Who needs flexibility and creative improvisation in a dumbed down third person shooter, anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoDKXozA0M4

Wales Grey posted:

What game is this? It sounds pretty good.

I love cats posted:

I am disappointed that charged attacks will be removed. I think it dumbs down an already dumbed down game.

Charged attacks are, in my opinion, an useful method to keep melee-based mobs at bay when your primary is lacking in that department (i.e. penta, ogris, bows, etc), without having to smash your keyboard. I will miss the Jat Kittag charge attacks.

I am not at all sold to the melee hype. From what I have seen, I do not think melee is a solid alternative to gunplay. I find that having to "switch" to use, as opposed to the current quick use (quick attacks and charged attacks), leaves you open to attacks, and takes away from the nimbleness, fast paced approach of the game.

Instead of shooting and using melee as needed, without breaking your tempo, you will have to voluntarily commit to attrition close combat because gimmick combos? Why would I want to do that?

hooah posted:

I'm not positive, but I recall reading that you will still have your quick melee to use without changing to full-on melee style.

Coldbird posted:

That being said, I don't want to blame DE entirely. They're not quite recognizing something fundamental here - the FPS model doesn't work well when you try to shoehorn in melee gameplay. I can't think of a single example of it ever working.

hooah posted:

So I just discovered that arc traps are immune to explosion damage, at least from the Ogris. I had to directly hit the drat things with rockets or they wouldn't die.

doomfunk posted:

This is also true of the Penta and kind of pissed me off when I discovered it because I was in bleedout shortly after.

Shot the fucker with my pistol though.

Coldbird posted:

Washin Tong posted:

Space Marine pulled off the melee/shooter combination pretty well (at least in the Ork sections).

Coldbird posted:

I liked Space Marine, but its "melee" was very heavy on scripted kill animations. Not quite as bad as, say, the Greaterrible Wonder-Horror that was Bayonetta, but they seem to want something more active, along the lines of DMC.

Actually, if they put in a Bayonetta Warframe complete with that breakdance quad-pistol spin on rear end thing she did, and made it Prime Access only for $100+, they would make a hilarious amount of money.

Coldbird posted:

I'm fine with charge attacks going away, they made for a clunky modding system and it didn't feel like it made sense anyway. I'm a space ninja, why am I actively waiting for things to get close? While I'm doing that, my whole team just killed four times as many things each.

Coldbird posted:

I liked Space Marine, but its "melee" was very heavy on scripted kill animations.

Coldbird posted:

The combos they're showing certainly look nice, but they have yet to show a convincing reason to use them. I don't think they can really make full time melee viable (any more than full time dual Vipers are "viable") without an unrealistic and enormous overhaul of the game that they'd screw up anyway - but they can make it sort of work by putting in a decent mix of enemies which are hard to kill with guns and can't just be bypassed with things like Shred. They still run into the problem, though, of people just running up to point blank range but still using their guns instead.

chumbler posted:

One thing that I hope comes from melee 2.0 is for them to add shields, particularly dual wielded shields. Also if they made a melee weapon type that turns you into Zangief.

zgrowler2 posted:

A shield you can fire your secondary through/over would be great. If they're sticking to the line that coptering is now a feature and not a bug, then it makes sense to have other melee weapons that provide useful non-attacking features (maybe a smaller-scale grappling hook as well?).

Cathair posted:

Woah woah, what? No, that is some backwards logic right there. In what way does the idea of charge attacks necessitate the clunky modding system? They could just as easily have made all melee damage based off the same damage mod, and it would've made perfect sense, just like every other game where you have access to a light melee attack and a heavy melee attack at the same time. Use either and mix 'em up according to the situation, it's a good system. It's DE who chose to gently caress it up by segregating the two types, not a problem with the idea itself.

Wales Grey posted:

Honestly, DE should just kill all damage+ mods. They're just a wall to new players and serve no purpose other than scaling the otherwise insurmountable wall that is "endgame" enemy EHP.

Pierson posted:

The Cronus is a 100% drop the first time you fight Vor

Fish Noise posted:

Yeah, Space Marine melee was a lot of single button mashing and QTEs , which they attempted to hide under the spectacle. Literally hidden, when you had that rage or whatever mode going that made everything glow the same color as the button prompt.

For all the things DE has done :de:, they've somehow managed to avoid QTEs. Let's keep it that way.

Pierson posted:

The Cronus is a 100% drop the first time you fight Vor and it's clearly meant to be a 'hey you cleared your first planet here's a cooler new weapoon'-type thing, even though it being a longsword means it doesn't work at all.

Ssthalar posted:

I know I got it first time I killed Vor, but none of my friends have recieved it despite murdering him God knows how many times for his gun.

Pierson posted:

The Cronus is a 100% drop the first time you fight Vor and it's clearly meant to be a 'hey you cleared your first planet here's a cooler new weapoon'-type thing, even though it being a longsword means it doesn't work at all. Make 'necessary' mods like Serration etc drop the same way as well as normally, so players feel there's an actual reward to clearing a planet as well as getting an immediate bump in power.

Or make the basic +damage mods un-fusable and have the Lotus upgrade them a rank whenever you kill a new boss. That way you know roughly how powerful a player will be on any one planet and can tailor enemies around it, and the player feels good because they can do something significant (kill a boss) and get an immediate boost in power.