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Is the first gen 10R as much of a widowmaker as the journalists make it out to be? There are quite a few on my local CL...
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Apr 6, 2014 23:15
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The widowmaker rep is more due to the absolutely crazy suspension springing IMO. You fix that and it's a lot more stable and much less flighty. FuzzyWuzzyBear's ZX10 is totally fine without a damper even on the track. It's the year after that gen but they didn't change much.
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Apr 6, 2014 23:21
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The springing was apparently perfect for my weight (72-odd kg), the damping was spot-on on the front, slightly harsh on the rear. I never felt like I needed a damper. The power delivery is also way, way less aggressive than popular media would imply, I found it really tractable and comparatively smooth. It also had a pretty devastating upper-mid-range, you didn't have to rev it to the redline to get uber power. I'm told that they're noticeably lighter and gruntier than most of their contemporary models but having never ridden another 00's litersport I can't say. The quality is definitely better than comparable R1's/gixxers, and it's also much more compact. On slow roads you can just stick it in first and go to town because the gearing is so long. FWB's bike is slightly heavier and less powerful from the factory, they also improved a couple of geometry things like the swing-arm length and rake IIRC but it's generally slightly 'softer' if you believe the media.
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Apr 7, 2014 00:51
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Iirc, FuzzyWuzzyBear's bike needed no respring on the rear (~150 pound rider? ) but the front was way off. I think it was crazy stiff, which is a recipe for headshake. As it is now, 160 odd hp do a good job of snapping the front back straight.
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Apr 7, 2014 05:07
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Interesting. The suspension guy told me my fork was sprung relatively soft and that fatter guys tend to get stiffer springs, but in my case just cranking in a bit of preload was fine. The buyer picked up the bike half an hour ago and did a wheelie a short distance down the street. I shed a single, solitary man-tear.
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Apr 7, 2014 07:57
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As this is a place for ranting I would like to extend the heartiest of gently caress You's to the scooter swarm who ruined the GW parkway for the rest of us this past Sunday morning. More power to you for putting together your mighty 35mph group ride on a 45mph road where people typically do 60+, but was camping the left lane for miles on end really necessary? Paricularly when combined with confused cars who pace you on the right and are afraid to pass? Also completely making GBS threads up the traffic pattern at Mt. Vernon with all the illegal filtering/cutting into oncoming lanes was a nice touch. I guess on the plus side you soaked the up some of the hate from drivers and hurling obscenities into my helmet gave me something to do while caught behind your little parade. Ok that's better. I feel lighter now.
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Apr 7, 2014 14:48
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Slavvy posted:I'm told that they're noticeably lighter and gruntier than most of their contemporary models but having never ridden another 00's litersport I can't say. The quality is definitely better than comparable R1's/gixxers, and it's also much more compact. Really? I thought kwak's qc was on the lower end of the japs. Huh. karms fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 14:59
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Slavvy posted:Interesting. The suspension guy told me my fork was sprung relatively soft and that fatter guys tend to get stiffer springs, but in my case just cranking in a bit of preload was fine. Front springs are rated at 1.0 by racetech's calculator, (~210 pound rider) and the is a 10.0, which is rated for about 240 pounds. For the 2005-6 model, they went down to a 8.3 rear, which is much closer to a 130 pound rider, but kept the 1.0 fronts, making the springing wildly unbalanced. We swapped out the springs and adding a bit of preload + upping the damping in the back which makes it handle quite nicely. Z3n fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 17:51
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KARMA! posted:Really? I thought kwak's qc was on the lower end of the japs. Huh. For modern japanese bikes, the quality seems to go: Honda Yamaha/Kawasaki ...suzuki Z3n posted:Front springs are rated at 1.0 by racetech's calculator, (~210 pound rider) and the is a 10.0, which is rated for about 240 pounds. For the 2005-6 model, they went down to a 8.3 rear, which is much closer to a 130 pound rider, but kept the 1.0 fronts, making the springing wildly unbalanced. We swapped out the springs and adding a bit of preload + upping the damping in the back which makes it handle quite nicely. Interesting. I think after having a bike with decent suspension I'll be really, really disappointed buying something with 'basic' stuff.
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Apr 7, 2014 18:53
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I found out the other day that trying to machine something on a lathe for the first time ever is not fun. But now I've used a lathe for 2 hours total so I might not gently caress it up the second time around.
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Apr 7, 2014 20:58
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Slavvy posted:For modern japanese bikes, the quality seems to go: They're all pretty close these days. What you lose in possibly rusty fasteners on a Suzuki you gain by not having a Honda regulator that shits the bed, or Yamaha suspension and fueling that is laughable by 80's standards. Plus kawi and Suzuki do a ton of parts sharing these days (the last two decades), so their quality is similar by nature. Honestly, most of the bikes from the big 4 are pretty drat close to each other.
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Apr 7, 2014 21:42
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Slavvy posted:For modern japanese bikes, the quality seems to go: It's dependent on the bike and how expensive it is too. For the higher end bikes ($10k+) Yamaha and Honda are noticeably nicer than Kawa and Suzuki (I just spent 3 hours sitting on new bikes from all 4 brands at one of the local dealerships this past weekend, so it's fresh in my mind). The switchgear, trans, fit and finish on their (Big red and Team Blue) higher end bikes is definitely nicer. For the cheap and midrange stuff, it's a crapshoot between all four, since in those price brackets, they're all cutting costs somewhere (Honda is just better at hiding where they cheaped out than the other three).
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Apr 7, 2014 22:13
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:They're all pretty close these days. What you lose in possibly rusty fasteners on a Suzuki you gain by not having a Honda regulator that shits the bed, or Yamaha suspension and fueling that is laughable by 80's standards. Plus kawi and Suzuki do a ton of parts sharing these days (the last two decades), so their quality is similar by nature. TBH the quality of all bikes - even perennial punchlines like Italy (and Austria) has gone up an incredible amount in just the last two decades. I'm really struggling to think of a bike that's been an out-and-out dog (in the same way that, say, the Laverda Formula or first-gen Hinckley Triumphs of the 90s were) released this century.
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Apr 7, 2014 22:23
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The cheapest 'modern' bike I've ridden (from a price-when-new perspective) was an injected SV650 so my perspective is purely from higher-end bikes, as far as newer stuff goes. Kawi fit and finish and decals and paint etc all seem to be a massive step up from Suzuki; Honda and Yamaha feel the tightest and most precisely made.goddamnedtwisto posted:TBH the quality of all bikes - even perennial punchlines like Italy (and Austria) has gone up an incredible amount in just the last two decades. I'm really struggling to think of a bike that's been an out-and-out dog (in the same way that, say, the Laverda Formula or first-gen Hinckley Triumphs of the 90s were) released this century. Good point.
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Apr 7, 2014 23:01
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I rode a Hyosung recently (a 2010 something or other) and it was approximately one thousand times nicer than my freshly "restored" 1980's CB750. Like, holy poo poo.
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Apr 8, 2014 05:48
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lovely old bikes are lovely and old, who knew!
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Apr 8, 2014 07:33
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Yerok posted:I found out the other day that trying to machine something on a lathe for the first time ever is not fun. But now I've used a lathe for 2 hours total so I might not gently caress it up the second time around. https://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222 MrPete222 aka tubalcain is a great resource for lathe work. I was competent enough to make basic parts but after watching his videos on lathe work I realised I was doing a bunch of things the stupid way. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBC69869E8CB708F2 #46 through #51 on this playlist is a good start. I like the fact that he sounds a bit like Hank Hill too.
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Apr 8, 2014 08:12
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I just ended up with a lovely surface finish and a hosed up turned diameter because I am a mongoloid and I can't use a DRO without something going wrong. Edit: those are two separate pairs of problems and results Yerok fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 16:40
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HotCanadianChick posted:It's dependent on the bike and how expensive it is too. For the higher end bikes ($10k+) Yamaha and Honda are noticeably nicer than Kawa and Suzuki (I just spent 3 hours sitting on new bikes from all 4 brands at one of the local dealerships this past weekend, so it's fresh in my mind). The switchgear, trans, fit and finish on their (Big red and Team Blue) higher end bikes is definitely nicer. For the cheap and midrange stuff, it's a crapshoot between all four, since in those price brackets, they're all cutting costs somewhere (Honda is just better at hiding where they cheaped out than the other three). I did something similar at the Sydney motorcycle show last year, unfortunately at 6'3" I had a different definition of "fit and finish". Things I don't fit on: R6 - I feel like I am going to go over the handlebars. CBR600 - Can't get my legs under the tank ridge. VFR800 - Not quite the same lip but enough to make it uncomfortable after a minute or so, never mind touring. ZX6R - Just too cramped. Things I do fit on: GSXR600 - I fit pretty comfortably and the adjustable pegs make it even more accommodating. F3 800 - It was equipped with some kind of Italian space-time bending device. I only noticed the adjustable pegs on the Suzuki. I guess the other manufacturers think that the taller riders will just ride the bigger bikes and they can make more profit that way.
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Apr 8, 2014 16:46
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Destrad0 posted:I did something similar at the Sydney motorcycle show last year, unfortunately at 6'3" I had a different definition of "fit and finish". You're looking at supersport bikes. They're deliberately as small as possible because they're designed to be track scalpels, not streetbikes. Most of those manufacturers have much more comfortable, more road-oriented models.
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Apr 8, 2014 16:52
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My girlfriend had a chance to ride the new superduke, when I probably won't get to try it for years to come. She works in events and was setting up/dismantling a KTM event where they had a bunch of bikes and the x-bow getting driven/ridden around. When they were cleaning up she talked one of the KTM people into letting her put-put around the parking lot. "You can't ride my bike because you're scared of dropping it because it's big and expensive?" "Yes." "Yet you were sweet jumping on a brand new KTM worth tens of thousands of dollars." "Bitch please your bike is always there; I don't know anyone with a KTM." 
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Apr 8, 2014 23:23
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... I don't get it?
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Apr 9, 2014 10:56
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iirc from your EN thread, isn't your girlfriend more masculine than you? Why so timid about your bike then?
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Apr 9, 2014 11:48
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No, that one's long gone. Also not sure what masculinity has to do with being timid on bikes. Or are fast bikes only for tough manly men, or something?
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Apr 9, 2014 11:53
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Slavvy posted:No, that one's long gone. Also not sure what masculinity has to do with being timid on bikes. Or are fast bikes only for tough manly men, or something? Or women with prominent Adam's apples.
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Apr 9, 2014 12:54
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Been working shifts that have a 6am leave and 9pm return, and I think I took for granted what the traffic is like at those times: nonexistent. Went out last Saturday when it was sunny.  I hate people.
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Apr 9, 2014 14:23
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The "I hate people" types grind on my nerves. Go live out in the forest if you hate humanity so much you negative nancy.
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Apr 9, 2014 14:58
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Most individual persons are nice, but get 'em together and they start mooing.
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Apr 9, 2014 15:13
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Slavvy posted:No, that one's long gone. Also not sure what masculinity has to do with being timid on bikes. Or are fast bikes only for tough manly men, or something? Slavvy posted:"You can't ride my bike because you're scared of dropping it because it's big and expensive?" This is a height/strength issue not a tough manly men going fast issue
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Apr 9, 2014 15:15
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You're right. It's not about how fast your ride is that makes you masculine, it's how loud.
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Apr 9, 2014 15:21
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Coredump posted:The "I hate people" types grind on my nerves. Go live out in the forest if you hate humanity so much you negative nancy. I'm a nurse, I actually love people. Singular. Just not when they're in metal boxes.
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Apr 9, 2014 15:26
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Soundtrack for Shelvockes escape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f69ZVXn4-w
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Apr 9, 2014 15:52
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Shelvocke posted:I'm a nurse, I actually love people. Singular. Huh. Of all the professions, I've found that nurses are the ones who are the most vehemently opposed to the very concept of motorcycling. I have one nurse friend who acted like I'd said I drive drunk for fun when she found out I ride a bike.
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Apr 9, 2014 15:57
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That's strange. Most doctors I know (4 out of 5) ride.
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Apr 9, 2014 15:58
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Seems like it's the EMS people and specifically ER nurses who tend to be against riding, since they see the most on-scene mashed up wrecks all the time.
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Apr 9, 2014 16:03
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Coredump posted:The "I hate people" types grind on my nerves. Go live out in the forest if you hate humanity so much you negative nancy. Have you ever worked in the service industry?
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Apr 9, 2014 16:13
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If you hate people and you're in the service industry, you're in the wrong industry.
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Apr 9, 2014 16:24
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If you work in the service industry long enough, you end up hating people in general. E: And that's not to say that you walk around being a negative rear end in a top hat all the time. You get sick of people who think they're a special snowflake that deserves everything they want at the moment they want it without giving any consideration to anyone else. its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Apr 9, 2014 16:33
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Nidhg00670000 posted:That's strange. Most doctors I know (4 out of 5) ride. A lot of them also smoke like chimneys and drink like fish.
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Apr 9, 2014 17:15
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Sagebrush posted:Huh. Of all the professions, I've found that nurses are the ones who are the most vehemently opposed to the very concept of motorcycling. I have one nurse friend who acted like I'd said I drive drunk for fun when she found out I ride a bike. Lectures on how dangerous bikes are, young man, are daily occurrences, mostly from other staff, so I'd have to agree. But there's a pretty large biker population in my town and I always show up at work in full leather so I avoid the worst of it. People who come into AE because they didn't wear gear and need IV morphine for all those burnt-down nerve endings, they do get an earful.
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