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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:This guy for sure. Fabled Hero is cool, but there are a lot of situations where you don't want to turn him sideways, because almost all of the fatties in this block are landbound. Flyers in this block pretty much top out at 4/4 (barring really expensive bombs) so barring Arbor Colossus this guy just sails over most blockers all day every day. He's one heroic trigger away from not giving a poo poo about Siren of the Fanged Coast, Shrike Harpy, Ornitharch (already walls little ornitharch, but +1 can kill her), even non-monstrous Nessian Asp. In a heroic deck, I think I would still prefer to simply use Gift of Orzhova, which you can cast to activate heroic and swing with two turns earlier. I'd be very surprised if this guy saw constructed play even in heroic decks. The only benefit of the Dawnbringer is that it avoids most burn as soon as he hits the board, but by turn five when you can actually swing with him, you are already going to be effectively dead from rush or have to deal with badasses from midrange decks like Desecration Demon, Archangel, Blood Baron, Obzedat, etc.
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Zoness posted:Yes, because I'm going to need to chump a 4/4 for 2BB. Wasn't my point. I said that if desecration demon were a vanilla 6/6 for 2BB it would see play. Leeches are not that.
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Chainsawdomy posted:Would one of our resident grecophiles like to weigh in on the pronunciation of 'Leucrocota' right now and save us all some trouble? You know, for when I'm being passed yet another of those things as the last card in a draft-pack. eu is firmly a dipthong in ancient Greek, creating a sound which we very rarely hear in English and I'm not quite sure how to describe. It is very much not what I'd instinctively pronounce it as if it was an English word, ie Le-ew-croc-cota. So I won't describe it, I'll say it. 
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AlternateNu posted:The +1/+1 is really only a white and green thing, though (with one except in Red with the new Satyr). Blue, black, and all the other red heroic cards have interesting non-combat effects. (I really like Meletis Astronomer, and I wish there was a deck where he would be useful.) That's fair. I also forgot about Agent of the Fates when thinking about playable stuff. I just wish there were some more stand out stuff is all. The very nature of the mechanic just screams "hit me with removal when they try anything to get an easy 2+ for 1 trade." For being heroes they all feel like a stiff breeze will knock them over.
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Bugsy posted:
It's checking your Devotion to Islands without saying so, just FYI.
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traslin posted:In a heroic deck, I think I would still prefer to simply use Gift of Orzhova, which you can cast to activate heroic and swing with two turns earlier. I'd be very surprised if this guy saw constructed play even in heroic decks. The only benefit of the Dawnbringer is that it avoids most burn as soon as he hits the board, but by turn five when you can actually swing with him, you are already going to be effectively dead from rush or have to deal with badasses from midrange decks like Desecration Demon, Archangel, Blood Baron, Obzedat, etc. I think my post was a little unclear, since I shifted from talking about Limited in the first paragraph to Constructed in the last sentence. Sorry! But yes, I don't think Heroic.dec is Standard playable now, it's a little slow to establish itself since it runs no hasty creatures and every removal spot is competing for a heroic trigger. In Limited, heroic is absolutely a viable archetype and this guy vs. Fabled Hero favors this guy, imo. In terms of Constructed, I don't know what else is coming, but it's pretty clear any heroic deck will be W/R (for Anax and Cymede, Boros Charm, Fall of the Hammer, Martial Glory etc.) or W/B (for Agent of the Fates, Gift of Orzhova, removal etc.) Four mana is a little slow :/.
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Bugsy posted:
He's so big he generates his own Whelming Wave! DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Sometimes they don't have a choice 
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I also think the four drop dude that draws cards off enchantments could be really good in some sort of b/g shell. Courser, nighthowler, herald of torment, boon satyr, whip, other random stuff. You could definitely build a solid deck in this standard where a ton of your cards are enchantments. or some bant deck with heliod, ephara, and that dude so you get to draw all of the cards.
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mcmagic posted:This card is going to see Standard play. I really doubt that. 7 mana is just ridiculously expensive for what it does. For that CMC, unless the card outright wins the game or gives overwhelming advantage, no deck is going to play it. As a reference, Angel of Serenity is a strictly better card and sees no play in Standard for the same reasons.
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qbert posted:I really doubt that. 7 mana is just ridiculously expensive for what it does. For that CMC, unless the card outright wins the game or gives overwhelming advantage, no deck is going to play it. 6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy.
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qbert posted:As a reference, Angel of Serenity is a strictly better card Stop using this wrong, people.
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mcmagic posted:6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy. I don't think people would play Cyclonic Rift if it only existed as the Overload, though.
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mcmagic posted:6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy. Creature vs Permanent is huge.
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mcmagic posted:6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy. Importantly Cyclonic Rift can also be used as a 2 mana spell if you're in a bind and also gets rid of planeswalkers and d-spheres.
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mcmagic posted:6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy. Cyclonic Rift can also be played as a 2 mana bounce spell, which is far more relevant. I'm not going to say that this guy definitely won't see play, but it is HIGHLY unlikely.
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Cyclonic Rift is also most importantly an instant.
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Another card from the Oracle Twitter:
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Attorney at Funk posted:Another card from the Oracle Twitter: So definitely based on lands cycle! WHeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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mcmagic posted:6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy. Cyclonic Rift is also instant speed, has an alternate cost of 1U, and returns all nonland permanents at 6U, whereas this only returns creatures and only conditionally depending on your board state. Rift is a much better card and even that only sees play as 1 or 2 copies in one particular Standard deck. Entropic posted:Stop using this wrong, people. Fine, AoS is a better card.
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Wonder what the White one does. Tokens?
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mcmagic posted:6U is what Cyclonic Rift overloaded costs and this leaves behind a 6/6 guy. But a Cyclonic Rift is useful if you draw it in your opening hand while this isn't. There are Simic decks that are running Sylvan Primodials, so maybe it could find a place there. http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=6908&d=239671&f=ST But decks like this are pretty rare in the top8 and ramp/dual-color is really going to decrease your island count, so it would probably need some other supporting cards in Nyx for it to see regular play. Without ramp though, I think it is quite a stretch to make a deck with a 7 mana creature.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Another card from the Oracle Twitter: This could be an ok late game bomb in standard. It's like Fanatic of Mogis without needing a battlefield full of permanents.
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Bosushi! posted:This could be an ok late game bomb in standard. It's like Fanatic of Mogis without needing a battlefield full of permanents. I dunno... seven mana is a lot for a monocolored deck that doesn't want scrylands or arguably even Mutavaults. You'd need a really specific set of circumstances for this not to deal more damage as a Stormbreath Dragon.
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Bosushi! posted:This could be an ok late game bomb in standard. It's like Fanatic of Mogis without needing a battlefield full of permanents. This card is not playable in Standard.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I dunno... seven mana is a lot for a monocolored deck that doesn't want scrylands or arguably even Mutavaults. You'd need a really specific set of circumstances for this not to deal more damage as a Stormbreath Dragon. It's situational to be sure. I'm going off my own personal experience where I gas out in the mid to late game and would have loved to top deck this guy. He'd probably just be a singleton.
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En Fuego posted:So definitely based on lands cycle! WHeeeeeeeeeeeeee  Return of Big Red? 
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Korak posted:Return of Big Red? I will sacrifice two chickens to whichever Theros god you wish, if this could become a real deck, because I love Big Red decks!
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Just echoing what was said above - this is starting to feel like the Golgari enchantment/ramp deck might be possible. It seems like its way too top heavy to be top tier (although maybe not, if your only non-enchantment creatures are mana elves and Caryatids), but it could be fun to toy with.
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Ooh, that one's very neat. So it seems like we've got the five promos now most likely. I think the white one is clearly in front and the green one is clearly last, but I don't know if I'll be able to resist trying to combo off with the black one.
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A 4/6 for 5 that's at least mild removal when it comes in. It clears the board of Master of Waves and his tokens and makes your other enchantment dudes generate extra value. Me likey.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:A 4/6 for 5 that's at least mild removal when it comes in. It clears the board of Master of Waves and his tokens and makes your other enchantment dudes generate extra value. It seems really good and enchantment heavy decks can abuse the power. I for sure think golgari enchantment will be a thing. hope pharika is the jam
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I want to open so many of these rares in a JBT draft, they look  .
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Myriad Truths posted:Ooh, that one's very neat. I love it, and it looks cool too. Just taking the Constellation effect as an ETB isn't terrible. No place in the existing Devotion strategy, I fear, but if Monoblack Aggro finds it's place in the meta he may have a home there. Also if there's any good ways to get enchantment creature tokens out. Really plays well with Bestow creatures, as t6 after laying him down you can probably put more than one of them down in creature mode the next turn. Also works well in multiples.
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Jenx posted:I will sacrifice two chickens to whichever Theros god you wish, if this could become a real deck, because I love Big Red decks! Mr. Peepers posted:Can't wait to see Blightcaster become standard playable.
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uggy posted:It seems really good and enchantment heavy decks can abuse the power. I for sure think golgari enchantment will be a thing. I hope Pharika's Disintegration is a good card.
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BWR Doomwake Legion. Constantly keep the board wiped including killing gods that get turned on.
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