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Korak posted:BWR Doomwake Legion. Constantly keep the board wiped including killing gods that get turned on. I'm confused, where's the combo? By Legion you mean Assemble the Legion? But that only triggers Doomwake Giant once, as the tokens are not enchantments. I think I'm missing something.
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Now this is A Good Black card, not bad Nightmare. I want a standard deck built around this so hard.
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Myriad Truths posted:I'm confused, where's the combo? By Legion you mean Assemble the Legion? But that only triggers Doomwake Giant once, as the tokens are not enchantments. I think I'm missing something. Which, by the way, sounds hilarious. 
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Apr 8, 2014 00:30
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I'm not 100% sure, but I thought this morning on SCG they had preorder price on Iroas at $14.99 and now it's $19.99 - what an awesome speculation that would have been!
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Apr 8, 2014 00:32
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an_mutt posted:Legion's Initiative. Oh right that card. Sounds potentially neat. But while we're in ridiculous combo land, Naya Enchantments with Legion's Initiative and the new Enchantress could also be amusing.
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Recess Rapist posted:I'm not 100% sure, but I thought this morning on SCG they had preorder price on Iroas at $14.99 and now it's $19.99 - what an awesome speculation that would have been! It started at $9.99.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:38
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These are all good cards, but I can't help but view them through the lens of 'too slow, a turn too expensive, if only it was a mana cheaper' and so forth. The Giant looks good against MonoU for wiping Master of Waves tokens, but you'd have to drop two enchants a turn to wipe out a Cackler, or more for any of the other creatures currently seeing play, and Black just doesn't have access to that kind of mana.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:39
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ThirdEmperor posted:These are all good cards, but I can't help but view them through the lens of 'too slow, a turn too expensive, if only it was a mana cheaper' and so forth. The Giant looks good against MonoU for wiping Master of Waves tokens, but you'd have to drop two enchants a turn to wipe out a Cackler, or more for any of the other creatures currently seeing play, and Black just doesn't have access to that kind of mana. Agreed. Exactly zero of the spoiled cards look attractive for an aggro deck.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:41
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Not even an aggro deck, Black control isn't going to have enough enchants to drop and mana to drop them with at any stage where the Giant would be relevant. Esper plain wouldn't bother with it unless Brimaz seriously comes into vogue. The only possible use in Standard is some kind of mana bloom/constellation The Rock, and that's seriously unlikely. It's a card without purpose.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:44
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morning wood posted:Agreed. Exactly zero of the spoiled cards look attractive for an aggro deck. 2/1 for 1 black mana with upside, one of 12 cards spoiled. Not attractive for aggro. Get out of my aggro deck tormented hero.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:59
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ThirdEmperor posted:These are all good cards, but I can't help but view them through the lens of 'too slow, a turn too expensive, if only it was a mana cheaper' and so forth. The Giant looks good against MonoU for wiping Master of Waves tokens, but you'd have to drop two enchants a turn to wipe out a Cackler, or more for any of the other creatures currently seeing play, and Black just doesn't have access to that kind of mana. I agree regarding everything spoiled so far except the RW god. It seems quite fairly/aggressively costed (or at least obviously costed so that it would be tested seriously in a boros aggro/devotion shell). Curving Ash Zealot into Boros Reckoner into that guy seems insane. Guess it just depends on if the meta is friendly to that sort of deck.
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The Boros god is sick, agreed. I have no idea whether he'll pan out in Standard but I don't really care.uggy posted:2/1 for 1 black mana with upside, one of 12 cards spoiled. It's.. honestly not competitive with Cackler? I mean, it's got utility is a block-stopper but how often is an aggro deck going to be stalled against a single blocker? If more cards with useful constellation abilities emerge I might use it but otherwise the outlook is pretty grim beyond Sealed/Draft use. ThirdEmperor fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 01:07
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ThirdEmperor posted:It's.. honestly not competitive with Cackler? I mean, it's got utility is a block-stopper but how often is an aggro deck going to be stalled against a single blocker? If more cards with useful constellation abilities emerge I might use it but otherwise the outlook is pretty grim beyond Sealed/Draft use. It's pretty much equal to cackler, they both have two power and cost 1.
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But it trades to one power. Against certain decks, that matters a lot. If it became the baseline for aggro then I'd feel a lot more confident with a Young Pyro deck.
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Apr 8, 2014 01:13
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Iroas could see play as a curve topper for red aggro in creature matchups. Not any good against control, but he'd be pretty brutal against any deck that plans on blocking. Mono blue would still suck but he gives you a chance to punch through a resolved master instead of having to concede on the spot.
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ThirdEmperor posted:But it trades to one power. Against certain decks, that matters a lot. If it became the baseline for aggro then I'd feel a lot more confident with a Young Pyro deck. The ability to run four more 2-power-1-mana dudes is going to way outweigh any concerns about toughness - you're trying not to get blocked, after all. Monoblack Aggro, if it exists, will likely be on 4 each of these, Cacklers, and Tormented Hero.
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Apr 8, 2014 01:16
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ThirdEmperor posted:But it trades to one power. Against certain decks, that matters a lot. If it became the baseline for aggro then I'd feel a lot more confident with a Young Pyro deck. And? Spike jester trades with one and that dude makes rakdos aggro tick
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Apr 8, 2014 01:18
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I also think it's relevant that you can still totally bestow the Scarhide onto your own creatures, that being actually its original intent. Herald of Torment of course being the most attractive target. I think that functionality, combined with being able to force through lethal damage by disabling a key blocker, make it more than good enough to see play.
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Apr 8, 2014 01:19
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LordSaturn posted:The ability to run four more 2-power-1-mana dudes is going to way outweigh any concerns about toughness - you're trying not to get blocked, after all. Monoblack Aggro, if it exists, will likely be on 4 each of these, Cacklers, and Tormented Hero. I don't seriously see a deck with a backbone of three one drops in this meta, but who knows? If that becomes a thing I could actually see Scarhide being pretty good.
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Apr 8, 2014 01:25
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ThirdEmperor posted:I don't seriously see a deck with a backbone of three one drops in this meta, but who knows? If that becomes a thing I could actually see Scarhide being pretty good. The card will be around for a year and a half plus cackler rotates out. Seriously, people judging these spoiled cards because they don't slot into a deck already need to relax and be patient (this isn't aimed at you thirdemperor).
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Apr 8, 2014 01:29
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Actually, thinking about it a bit more, the Scarhide is a pretty annoying card against Esper in general. Bestow lets you keep the pressure up without opening yourself up to Supreme Verdict blowouts. Putting it on a Herald of Torment is super relevant when your opponent's favorite stabilizing play has 5 loyalty and isn't good against fliers. And Esper decks often like to sideboard in Archangel of Thune, expecting you to have already sided out your removal; that's a card that could end up very difficult to beat, but being able to remove it as a blocker for a turn could turn the tides.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:eu is firmly a dipthong in ancient Greek, creating a sound which we very rarely hear in English and I'm not quite sure how to describe. It is very much not what I'd instinctively pronounce it as if it was an English word, ie Le-ew-croc-cota. Haha this is awesome
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Being able to bestow that dude on your own guys is great for aggro. The biggest problem with aggro is that if you don't kill fast enough, you run out of steam and are stuck topdecking little dudes. Aggro decks with creatures that are relevant in multiple spots of the curve are great. If you can drop him t1, great. If you draw him t4 and bestow him on a herald, still good.
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Myriad Truths posted:I'm confused, where's the combo? By Legion you mean Assemble the Legion? But that only triggers Doomwake Giant once, as the tokens are not enchantments. I think I'm missing something. uggy posted:The card will be around for a year and a half plus cackler rotates out. ThirdEmperor posted:I don't seriously see a deck with a backbone of three one drops in this meta, but who knows? If that becomes a thing I could actually see Scarhide being pretty good.
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Chorocojo posted:Fresh leeches. This not having lifelink is the new Whippoorwill.
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The "devotion to basic lands" guys are going to be fun to hit in Momir. Other than that I can't get excited about them outside Sealed Deck. 7 mana is just too much for a card in this draft format unless you're talking about a Bestow cost or Abhorrent Overlord.
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I'm trying to figure out a good way to carry around my EDH deck. Since I'm annoying token guy, I'm bringing along a set of all the tokens I'll need (about 20) in addition to the 100 double-sleeved cards in the deck. Is there anything that's convenient without being giant? Everything else I have is in Legion-sized deckboxes.
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Promoted Pawn posted:The "devotion to basic lands" guys are going to be fun to hit in Momir. Other than that I can't get excited about them outside Sealed Deck. 7 mana is just too much for a card in this draft format unless you're talking about a Bestow cost or Abhorrent Overlord. Too bad Momir is a worthless format now that they don't do dailies anymore  .
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standard.deviant posted:I'm trying to figure out a good way to carry around my EDH deck. Since I'm annoying token guy, I'm bringing along a set of all the tokens I'll need (about 20) in addition to the 100 double-sleeved cards in the deck. Is there anything that's convenient without being giant? Everything else I have is in Legion-sized deckboxes. See if your LGS has 300ct cardboard boxes? One holds my (Kinda doublesleeved because of my extensive proxies to test stuff) EDH deck + an old mtg precon deck full of assorted stuff. That or the 200ct since I have a lot of filler dreck. Or build 6-9 more EDH decks and store them in a Holiday Box 
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ShadeofBlue posted:Too bad Momir is a worthless format now that they don't do dailies anymore Any format where the $10 deck plays exactly the same as the $300 deck is always good to kill a few minutes with in the casual room.
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standard.deviant posted:I'm trying to figure out a good way to carry around my EDH deck. Since I'm annoying token guy, I'm bringing along a set of all the tokens I'll need (about 20) in addition to the 100 double-sleeved cards in the deck. Is there anything that's convenient without being giant? Everything else I have is in Legion-sized deckboxes. Have you tried fatpack boxes?
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Bugsy posted:Have you tried fatpack boxes?
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standard.deviant posted:I'm trying to figure out a good way to carry around my EDH deck. Since I'm annoying token guy, I'm bringing along a set of all the tokens I'll need (about 20) in addition to the 100 double-sleeved cards in the deck. Is there anything that's convenient without being giant? Everything else I have is in Legion-sized deckboxes. Fanny pack, thank me later.
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uggy posted:2/1 for 1 black mana with upside, one of 12 cards spoiled. Cut the cacklers instead. Bestow the scar hide ONTO tormented hero. That heroic trigger is relevant.
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standard.deviant posted:That's where it lives right now but I'd like something about half that size. I don't really want to carry a huge amount of crap around with me if possible. The 200ct cardboard boxes are probably what you're looking for. My LGS sells them for 35 cents each.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:eu is firmly a dipthong in ancient Greek, creating a sound which we very rarely hear in English and I'm not quite sure how to describe. It is very much not what I'd instinctively pronounce it as if it was an English word, ie Le-ew-croc-cota. Awesome nerds like you and Chorocojo make this thread great 
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Mezzanon posted:Cut the cacklers instead. Bestow the scar hide ONTO tormented hero. That heroic trigger is relevant.
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...what is this supposed to be?
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