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Brown Moses posted:Other images included a picture of a woman with a cross shoved in her throat from a bad horror movie, and the child decapitated by an air strike in Aleppo. Which bad horror movie? Now that I'm thinking about it, Assad could play a perfect Dracula,  especially since he's already surpassed Vlad The Impaler in brutality.
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Apr 5, 2014 17:33
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http://www.oafnation.com/guests-pieces/2014/4/4/u76dtzypt3opqso3qrqvkmce2gv8ax A 10-year anniversary retrospective by Travis Haley, former Force Recon Marine and Blackwater roof sniper, about the day that produced this video you may remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDoX8UnQ4D0 He did in fact kill hundreds of dudes that day and was pretty much operating under the direct command of Paul Bremer.
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Apr 5, 2014 18:38
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Those heroic mercenaries, protecting our freedom. 
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Apr 5, 2014 21:14
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SedanChair posted:I always liked what Chomsky said about his parents. "They were what they would have called Zionists, who now would be called anti-Zionists." This more or less. While there are of course individual leftist Israelis, the decidedly socialist zionists are dead, resigned or have left the country.
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I'm sure BM will be here shortly to chime in on this, but Hersh has published a new piece suggesting that Erdogan was behind the August 21 sarin attack. http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line It's an interesting read, but Hersh relies pretty much on two sources alone and doesn't acknowledge open source intel or UN findings. Also, if Ersogan was indeed complicit and signals intelligence strongly suggested as much, then I imagine Lavrov et al would have also intercepted that and jumped all over it.
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MothraAttack posted:I'm sure BM will be here shortly to chime in on this, but Hersh has published a new piece suggesting that Erdogan was behind the August 21 sarin attack. Wait since when was Erdogan being behind it even a theory? I don't remember that coming up back when it happened, but this thread was moving super fast so I guess I could have missed it.
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Apr 6, 2014 12:52
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It really hasn't been, but it matches loosely with that kooky letter by some former spooks about Saudi/Turkish gas canisters being put in Ghouta.
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Apr 6, 2014 13:11
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Hersh doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Volcano rockets, which is pretty key information. I guess he ignores facts that don't fit his narrative.
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Apr 6, 2014 14:52
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'Anyone but Assad' seems like a motto for August 21 Truthers.
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Apr 6, 2014 14:55
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McDowell posted:'Anyone but Assad' seems like a motto for August 21 Truthers. Have to rationalise your support for such a monster somehow.
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Apr 6, 2014 15:02
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MothraAttack posted:I'm sure BM will be here shortly to chime in on this, but Hersh has published a new piece suggesting that Erdogan was behind the August 21 sarin attack. Interesting indeed, there is a lot of stuff in there, only some of it about August 21st. Turkish gas for Iranian gold. Benghazi: quote:The annex didn’t tell the whole story of what happened in Benghazi before the attack, nor did it explain why the American consulate was attacked. ‘The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’ the former intelligence official, who has read the annex, said. ‘It had no real political role.’ ^^ I don't think the Russians would publicly announce its signals intelligence from a NATO country. Its too bad there was nothing really about Lavrov and Kerry, that is one big part of the story missing. Hersh isn't well liked here, and this story is basically a "former intelligence official" with an axe to grind, so there is clearly no proof of anything. But there are a lot of avenues where more digging can be done, especially with all these leaks around Erodogan. Whether or not it will agree with what Hersh writes, there sure is a lot to still come out about the Syrian civil war.
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Apr 6, 2014 15:08
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Radio Prune posted:Have to rationalise your support for such a monster somehow. Well it took all of 5 posts to get to "Hersh supports Assad". Mature as always.
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Tias posted:This more or less. While there are of course individual leftist Israelis, the decidedly socialist zionists are dead, resigned or have left the country. Ruth Dayan, Moshe Dayan's widow, has been real vocal critic of the Likud party, claiming that they are pissing on Israel and that the Zionist dream is dead because of them. When the wife of the man, born from the first kibbutz in Israel and who won the Six Day War and helped Israel gain it's nuclear deterrent, when she's telling you that Israel has lost it's way, then there's a good possibility you've lost your way. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/moshe-dayan-s-widow-israel-doesn-t-know-how-to-make-peace-1.263858
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Apr 6, 2014 15:17
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There has been past speculation about the Benghazi connection to Syria. Grain of salt considering the source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/25/was-syrian-weapons-shipment-factor-in-ambassadors-benghazi-visit/
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Apr 6, 2014 15:29
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EA Worldview wrote about the Hersh piece and made some good points http://eaworldview.com/2014/04/syria-hersh-chemical-weapons-conspiracy-insurgents/ I'd write something new, but he hasn't even answered a single one of my previous criticism, which are all still valid with this story.
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Apr 6, 2014 16:54
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Count Roland posted:Interesting indeed, there is a lot of stuff in there, only some of it about August 21st. Turkish gas for Iranian gold. Benghazi: Yes a lot of things, a veritable smorgasbord of poo poo thrown at a wall to see what sticks which should be absolutely familiar to anyone dealing with truthers of all stripes.
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Count Roland posted:Well it took all of 5 posts to get to "Hersh supports Assad". Mature as always. Yeah that's exactly what I said, way to go.
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Apr 6, 2014 19:02
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http://thecairopost.com/news/104657/inside_egypt/who-killed-christian-mary-sameh-george Yikes
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Radio Prune posted:Have to rationalise your support for such a monster somehow. Hey, gotta maintain the false equivalencies between Assad and the terrorists. Otherwise we'd be in quite a moral predicament, and no one wants that.
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Apr 7, 2014 00:14
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Here's my response to Hersh's article http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/seymour-hershs-volcano-problem.html
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Apr 7, 2014 09:27
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Jesus christ :goons: - Assad and the opposition CAN BOTH BE BAD AT THE SAME TIME. Dialectics is not exactly rocket science.Young Freud posted:Ruth Dayan, Moshe Dayan's widow, has been real vocal critic of the Likud party, claiming that they are pissing on Israel and that the Zionist dream is dead because of them. Thanks! This made my day.
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Apr 7, 2014 09:51
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A 75-year old Dutch Jesuit Priest named Frans van der Lugt who was living in Homs for 50 years was murdered in Homs. Armed men pulled him out of his house and shot him twice in the head. Van der Lugt refused to leave the besieged city of Homs, instead wishing to stay 'with his people'. This referred to all the inhabitants of Homs, though he also felt responsible for what was left of the Christian population. Of the thousands of christians that used to live in Homs there were about 66 christians left (he said). He did several emotional appeals in both Arabic and broken-Dutch, begging for an end to the blockade. He was also critical of the rebels, saying (as I recall) that they are only fighting 'against' something and not 'for' something.
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Apr 7, 2014 12:10
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Yeah that's pretty awful. It also appears my hypothesis that Assad is still tossing in CW in small amounts might not be entirely off. Israeli intelligence officials suggest that Assad used CW two weeks ago in Damascus.
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Apr 7, 2014 14:03
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Awful indeed, but I'm curious which side killed him. Here's an article on it http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/dutch-priest-shot-dead-syrian-city-homs-201447133539183775.html Pieter Pan fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 16:23
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Something else that's interesting, which I didn't mention in the article is this paragraphquote:The former intelligence official said the Russian who delivered the sample to the UK was ‘a good source – someone with access, knowledge and a record of being trustworthy’. After the first reported uses of chemical weapons in Syria last year, American and allied intelligence agencies ‘made an effort to find the answer as to what if anything, was used – and its source’, the former intelligence official said. ‘We use data exchanged as part of the Chemical Weapons Convention. The DIA’s baseline consisted of knowing the composition of each batch of Soviet-manufactured chemical weapons. But we didn’t know which batches the Assad government currently had in its arsenal. Within days of the Damascus incident we asked a source in the Syrian government to give us a list of the batches the government currently had. This is why we could confirm the difference so quickly.’
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Brown Moses posted:Something else that's interesting, which I didn't mention in the article is this paragraph Not necessarily, I can think of a couple of possibilities. There are several instances I can conceive of where they can still extract a fingerprint even if the final batch is not mixed consistently. They would be looking for impurities in the batches of the chemical precursors provided by the USSR. Heck, the USSR might have included specific tracer chemicals in the precursors provided to Syria specifically to fingerprint them. That said I really wonder how they would have got a clean sample of the Sarin in that environment after the attack. Also, how are these chemicals stored and delivered? Are they in "portion packs" so to speak or in big containers where the they need to be decanted by the end user in the correct proportions. If they are pre-packed then I could see how they would be more likely to trace a particular manufacturing batch. Anyway, all that aside, if you knew that the chemical weapon you were about to launch in contravention of many treaties had a fingerprint that could be traced back to you you'd most likely make sure that what you launched would be slightly adulterated... In any case, I am not even a chemical weapons neophyte let alone expert so take the above as speculation. [edit] And by "portion packs" I don't means pre-mixed but more like, bad analogy, those Muller milk packs with yoghurt and muesli separate but in a ready mix package. Munin fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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And I think more importantly, the phrase was apparently what they did/thought at the time, before anyone knew the batches were "pre-mixed" (if this is in fact the case, I don't know). If the procedure they followed was later invalidated, it doesn't make it nonsense at the time.
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Apr 7, 2014 17:42
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Turns out Seymour Hersh doesn't know basic facts about Volcano rockets http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/what-does-seymour-hersh-knows-about.html
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Apr 7, 2014 18:50
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BM: Have you ever seen rebels using the volcano rockets? Also, is there any central area where I could find information about these weapons? I know you have your blog, but I don't want to browse through years worth a blog posts. Something like a wiki page would be ideal, if one exists.
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Count Roland posted:BM: Have you ever seen rebels using the volcano rockets? I've never seen them using the types used on August 21st, or the largest type. They've captured the smaller 107mm versions though, but their kind of a different thing really. I've actually written a piece on Volcano rockets for my new site that summarises everything on them, and I'm happy to answer questions.
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Apr 7, 2014 20:24
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I put together this video Seymour Hersh's insight into the August 21st Sarin attacks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGLULD3LksI
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Brown Moses posted:I put together this video Seymour Hersh's insight into the August 21st Sarin attacks Huh. So on one hand we have Seymour Hersh, the United Nations, and an expert in the field backed by a team from MIT, and on the other hand we have you and a handful of self declared internet munitions experts. Hmm.......
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Apr 8, 2014 01:51
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The United Nations claims Erdogan is responsible for the chemical weapons attacks in Syria?
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King of Hamas posted:Huh. So on one hand we have Seymour Hersh, the United Nations, and an expert in the field backed by a team from MIT, and on the other hand we have you and a handful of self declared internet munitions experts. Hmm....... Do you ever have any other criticism aside from an appeal to authority? I'd like to see this criticism in a year or two. "One time author and self-declared internet munitions expert backed by Google" etc., etc., ad infinitum.
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Xandu posted:The United Nations claims Erdogan is responsible for the chemical weapons attacks in Syria?
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King of Hamas posted:Huh. So on one hand we have Seymour Hersh, the United Nations, and an expert in the field backed by a team from MIT, and on the other hand we have you and a handful of self declared internet munitions experts. Hmm....... I'd honestly trust BM over Hersh, especially at this point. Vernii fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 02:49
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Vernii posted:I'd honestly trust BM over Hersh at this point. No you see he got a Pulitzer in 1970 and that gives him a magical shield providing immunity from being wrong that lasts half a century.
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Apr 8, 2014 02:53
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Good map from @PetoLucem on the situation in northern Syria Some of his sources seem quite biased though, so it might not be entirely accurate
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Of course, Hersh says that the White House was kept unaware of Turkey's alleged complicity. This would mean that Turkey 1. tricked an independent UN inquiry and 2. was uncovered by the U.S. intelligence community, which evidently didn't find the idea of a NATO partner gassing Damascus relevant enough to tell the WH. It doesn't add up. I'm betting, like some other outlets, that Hersh's source is a disgruntled right winger.
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