Babby Thatcher posted:

been a regular argument quoted on here from madmen that he's basically exactly as good as Wilfried Bony and any difference in scoring or performance is purely down to their teammates.

Ewar Woowar posted:

They're both black you see

Fat Lowtax posted:

Neil Metcalfe ‏@Metcalficus 13m

Altidore has been just as bad. Small crowd but annoyed at his lack of effort. Has looked totally uninterested #SAFC

Ewar Woowar posted:

Not saying this is even a possibility, but I think it'd be great fit. If Everton isn't able to buy Lukaku, they should go after Jozy. Jozy might not be as gifted as Lukaku, but they have similar styles of play (i.e. Big, strong, fast, great hold up play) and the service he'd be receiving at Everton would be leaps and bounds better then what he's getting now. I think Roberto Martinez could get the best out of him.

Destroy My Sweater posted:

*peers into the future* The Portland Timbers' newest signing Jozy Altidore sits down with Taylor Twellman and Robbie Rogers for a tell-all interview about his time at the Stadium of Light during ESPN's latest special on discrimination in football. Altidore discusses the abuse he suffered at the hands of his teammates for his nationality, hold-up play and penchant for adult diapers.

tetsman posted:

Remember Lee Nguyen? I bet Jozy is even worse than him.

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He should of gone to Ajax, Sporting, Porto, Hamburg or even a Valencia. I could see him there

pointsofdata posted:

chuggo is BACK posted:

Sunderland AFC ‏@SAFCofficial 5m

UNDER 21s: Development squad 3-0 up at the break against @SpursOfficial - goals from Smith, Mandron and Mavrias.

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Altidore opened up the space for all three goals! Most likely...

Destroy My Sweater posted:

Jozy is a trashbag. The US should inject Geoff Cameron and Brad Guzan with some sort of weird serum and start them up front in Brazil. There's no place for Jozy on The Plane.

pointsofdata posted:

Modus Trollens posted:

this time they'll be looking for two black boxes in the ocean

Pissflaps posted:

Sunderland total vs. EPL opposition (league & cups) = 3660 minutes = 38 goals

Altidore on the field:
1969 minutes = 27 goals = 1 goal every 72.93 minutes (or 1.23 goals per 90 minutes)

Altidore not on the field:
1691 minutes = 11 goals = 1 goal every 153.72 minutes (or .56 goals per 90 minutes)

Conclusion: Sunderland score over twice as often with Altidore on the field vs. EPL opponents (2.19 times as often, to be exact). Altidore has been on the field for 22 of the 29 Sunderland goals in league play. They are also 1-5-1 in games he did not play (the 1-0 FA Cup win over Southampton B as the lone victory).

Ewar Woowar posted:

There are certainly plenty of things that Jozy is not doing to make his case, but I feel like I might drop the conspiracy bomb and remain convinced that there are plenty of examples of great American players suffering from biases overseas. It's more common than people really assume, and this goes for any players making international league changes. There are alliances and relationships established in certain places that lend itself to players taking a second thought before a pass is made to the new "______fill in players nation of origin" player. Read about how this has played out time and time again, unless a player is in a team's academy there is this period that other players may have a bias towards certain players. I watch a fair amount of La Liga games and I see Gareth Bale having harder times adjusting and receiving respect versus Neymar with Barcelona. He is a Welsh player playing on a team with mainly Portuguese and Spanish players. Not to mention, players from the British Isles with certain exceptions have had difficulties making success in La Liga, in part because of bias and lack of respect. I think Americans are continuing to have a hard time gaining respect and geling with squads in Europe. All that said, of course Sunderland really sucks! So they are not making it easy to give Jozy an easy environment to succeed.

belgend posted:

The more I hear about Jozy being utter gash the more afraid I am some random Belgian club are going to get him this summer, he's due another rebound season in a poo poo league.

red_blip posted:

MMmmm, I dunno, I see him as a more railhawks, silverbacks, cosmos kinda guy.

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Thing with the EPL is that, with all the money, they have a high turnover rate. Which means if a player is not producing in a season, he'll be replaced the next. That amounts to lousy team chemistry for most clubs, so as a league they rely more on the physical, and on individual brilliance. Also, the EPL refs are very lenient, when compared to other leagues, because they know with all their emphasis on the physical, the games would be unwatchable if they were called like in the rest of Europe.

An American player who makes it up the ranks with an EPL team could have a better chance. At least, carefully scouting of the club situation and its manager are needed. The case of Dempsey with Fulham required a very stable situation, with a coach that had been at the helm for four years, and had a solid, high chemistry squad, where two other Americans were also regular starters. In general, I think, as the NT has shown in WCs, the American player can only thrive in a situation where he's part of a true team. He's not the sort of guy who goes for the individual thing.

Baldo Di Gregorio posted:

These people are fully mentally ill and don't understand anything at all

Paddyb posted:

Nice casual racism

serious gaylord posted:

I wonder what mental gymnastics they'll pull when the US get buttfucked?

serious gaylord posted:

I wonder what mental gymnastics they'll pull when the US get buttfucked?

serious gaylord posted:

I wonder what mental gymnastics they'll pull when the US get buttfucked?

serious gaylord posted:

I wonder what mental gymnastics they'll pull when the US get buttfucked?

Gigi Galli posted:

I'd love to read an honest assessment of Jozy from Klinsmann or one of his coaching staff.