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Fetucine posted:Tomorrow Delivery dates are weird, man. For context, I live in the US and I've had the US LE Blu-ray for days.
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Twiddy posted:Wait... what? Why do I have it already?
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I got the imported LE Blu-ray today. Right after I remove the plastic wrap from the box, the CD case and material book slide out and fall onto the floor putting a noticeable crease on the spine of both.  In the material book Shinbo talks about wanting to tell the story of everything that happened between the ending of the series and Rebellion. Edit: There's a whole lot of good stuff in this material book about the movie, specifically about the second half and the ending. Hommando fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 07:10
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You guys are so lucky, my copy won't be here until Friday.
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Apr 8, 2014 07:11
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No cake song on the OST, no buy
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Bakanogami posted:If you look at it objectively, Rebellion's ending is the heartwarming and conclusive one. Everyone is alive and (theoretically, at least) happy, it's implied that the law of cycles Madoka set up is still active to some extent, Madoka and Homura are together...really, the only thing that indicates it's the "coldest, darkest ending he could think of" is that Homura has a nasty face and is enforcing her will over that of Madoka or Sayaka. I think it's brilliant. This is not "objectively". It cannot be objectively - because the entire point is the emotional impact, an entirely opposite concept. Whether they are happy, or if they will be happy in the future, depends on your perspective of the characters. You are implicitly comparing the partial law to the absence of it, but that's not the only possibility. It isn't objective to suggest that a viewer is to be satisfied with just "to some extent" when the previous form of the law was complete by definition. And more pressing is the philosophical question of "is ignorance bliss?". "Madoka and Homura are together" requires an underlying assumption about identity: do you treat this Madoka as the same as the one from the tv series, given that they do not share a fairly important part of their memories/history? Let's assume you treat them as the same. Then as stated, Homura is imposing her own will over Madoka's. At worst, this is parasitic. At best, this is a relationship on unequal terms. If you treat them differently (as I would), it is still inconclusive. At worst, one person is clutching onto remnants of the past. At best, a new friendship between individuals has started. Emotional resonance depends on values - evaluation of what is good, and comparing it to what is bad. You are comparing the low points of the TV ending to the high points of Rebellion, while ViggyNash below you is comparing the high points of the TV to the low points of Rebellion.
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Popehoist posted:No cake song on the OST, no buy No joke. When I got to that part, I almost turned the loving movie off.
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Apr 9, 2014 02:43
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AlternateNu posted:No joke. When I got to that part, I almost turned the loving movie off. The theater was bewildered, to say the least.
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AlternateNu posted:No joke. When I got to that part, I almost turned the loving movie off. That part was dumb but I really liked how into it Sayaka was.
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Apr 9, 2014 03:34
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I'm going to give the movie another chance. Maybe I'll see it in a different light this time. I can always turn it off if I still hate it.
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booksnake posted:This is not "objectively". It cannot be objectively - because the entire point is the emotional impact, an entirely opposite concept. Can't argue with that, we were both spouting pretty biased opinions. That said, the ending definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think less of Urobuchi because that was brilliant ending (and a brilliant movie altogether), but it annoys me that it had to go that way.
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AlternateNu posted:No joke. When I got to that part, I almost turned the loving movie off. in retrospect In the new happy world the magical girls are all friends and instead of suicide-causing witches or demons they fight BAD DREAMS and defeat them by singing a loving nursery rhyme. It's like Care Bears or something I did prefer the fakeout beginning pretending to be such sparkly fun magical girl friends show to the pretend moe anime or whatever that episode one of the original series was. Probably everyone knew it was some kind of fakeout coming in but it was kind of fun in retrospect, especially compared to all the cringeworthy anime humor/lesbian jokes in the original before episode 3's end.
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ViggyNash posted:That said, the ending definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think less of Urobuchi because that was brilliant ending (and a brilliant movie altogether), but it annoys me that it had to go that way. Shinbou came up with the ending. Urobuchi's original intention was for Homura to be taken to magical girl heaven by Madokami.
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Yeah when me and my brother were watching it, he asked me during the cake song if this was a Japanese thing. I told him "no, it's let's make this as acid trippy as possible". It was probably the most bewildering scene I've seen in recent memory.
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Some of you are no fun, the cake song was cute.Rita Repulsa posted:...to the pretend moe anime or whatever that episode one of the original series was. [...] to all the cringeworthy anime humor/lesbian jokes in the original before episode 3's end. I really dislike this attitude. The whole "it starts out poo poo but wait until episode 3, then it gets good, no really" stuff is a pet peeve of mine, in regards to this franchise. The start of the show served an important purpose.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:57
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The cake song describes the plot of the movie. The dream of a cat is Homura's witch barrier, the melon that cracks to reveal a sweet dream is Madoka's memory, Homura 'goes around in circles' etc. Or at least that's how it came across to me on repeated viewing.
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I love the cake song.
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MagicalDuck posted:Shinbou came up with the ending. Urobuchi's original intention was for Homura to be taken to magical girl heaven by Madokami. That so? I suppose I mean ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Apr 9, 2014 18:03
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MagicalDuck posted:Shinbou came up with the ending. Urobuchi's original intention was for Homura to be taken to magical girl heaven by Madokami. It was something both of them discussed and agreed on--Urobuchi decided he liked the new ending than his originally planned one, if I recall correctly.
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The ending was brilliant, was one of those "Holy poo poo I did not see that coming! Why didn't I see that coming?" kinda moments. I do hope it won't be too long before they continue the story.... I do hope they intend on continuing the story...
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MagicalDuck posted:Shinbou came up with the ending. Urobuchi's original intention was for Homura to be taken to magical girl heaven by Madokami. Still saying Shinbou ruining the story is disingenuous. They both did come up and Urobuchi himself did have doubts about the "original" ending that was planned.  Here's what Urobuchi says about it
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Hm. I really hated this, and wish I'd never watched it. On the one hand, gorgeous animation. On the other, heinous amount of character assassination, awful plotting, and baffling pacing decisions. Forty minute dream sequence in a two hour movie. Yeah, okay. I'm going to just forget this ever happened.
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Harettazetta posted:Hm. I really hated this, and wish I'd never watched it. On the one hand, gorgeous animation. On the other, heinous amount of character assassination, awful plotting, and baffling pacing decisions. All objectively wrong 
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Apr 11, 2014 00:17
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It's not a dream sequence if it's actually happening, you know.
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PerrineClostermann posted:All objectively wrong Nah, the animation was actually gorgeous.
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PerrineClostermann posted:All objectively wrong True, except for the pacing to an extent. I felt that the fanservice intro dragged on for way too long, which wasn't helped much by the cake song. But other than that the pacing was fine.
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Saoritficis posted:I do hope they intend on continuing the story... I kind of hope they don't, or at least they do a few "what if" scenarios instead of one canon continuation. Rebellion's ending is wonderfully ambiguous and I'm not sure if any followup could be that satisfying.
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I got the BD in today and finally rewatched the film. I think I have a higher opinion of it now after watching it in a setting where I can take in the whole movie by myself and pause for bathroom breaks, particularly with regard to the music and animation. Part of that is Shaft being crazy and making a bunch of improvements to the animation and presentation from the transition from the version shown in theaters to the version that ended up on the disc. Even having only seen the film a couple of times last Winter, there's a bunch of parts I can clearly point out and go "yep, they changed that", and I get the sense that there's a lot of stuff I'd have missed too. In particular, pretty much everything from Kyubey having his first proper line of the film and onward through till the ending was completely revamped. In my opinion the film has gone from "looks really good" to "by far the best looking thing I've ever seen Shaft put out". Shaft, Urobuchi, Kajiura, Inu Curry, and everyone else involved really gave it their best for this film. It's the sort of movie I'm going to enjoy more the more times I watch it. There's a lot of minor details that I noticed on my third go-around that I missed the two times I saw it in theaters, so I'm probably going to go over it with a fine toothed comb later. I haven't felt inspired to pause every few seconds in a Shaft anime since Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, although this will be to bask in just how well done a whole bunch of shots are rather than to pick up on gags. EDIT Oh yeah, I took some pictures of the BD packaging because it really is some kickass packaging. Outer box. It's amazingly sturdy feeling.  Inner disc case, outside art  Inside of the disc case  Opened and with the discs removed. Cute artwork! 
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The first 5 seconds of the creditless opening is also slightly different.
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Hey, I looked it up and apparently the weird obsession with empty chairs of various styles is (probably) a reference to a deconstruction-y giant robot manga called Bokurano: Ours. Is that any good?
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Bokurano is even more heartwarming than Madoka. You should go read it now.
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ActionZero posted:Bokurano is even more heartwarming than Madoka. You should go read it now. This. It's a wonderfully light-hearted, healing story.
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PerrineClostermann posted:This. It's a wonderfully light-hearted, healing story. Anime's a gonzo train-wreck though. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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ConanThe3rd posted:Anime's a gonzo train-wreck though. I've heard opinions to the contrary, but also that it diverges from the manga halfway through (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).
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wielder posted:I've heard opinions to the contrary, but also that it diverges from the manga halfway through (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Madoka: "Do you understand what it would mean if you died within the isolation field? You won't even be able to break out of the shell and will end up a fully born witch inside the egg. You'll be destroyed without being found by the Law of the Cycle. No one will ever be able to save your soul from despair. You would lose your chance to see Kaname Madoka again, forever." Utena: "If it cannot break out of its shell, the chick will die without ever being born. We are the chick; the world is our egg. If we don't crack the world's shell, we will die without ever truly being born. Smash the world's shell." Demian (Hermann Hesse): “The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas.” (“Our god's name is Abraxas and he is God and Satan and he contains both the luminous and the dark world.”) Homura breaks out of her egg:  When she becomes a devil, the cosmos turns into this new form:  After the credits, she gazes at the object that has replaced her soul gem:  Contrast this to the image of Dios residing outside of the world's egg in Utena:  Nightmare song: "It's not time yet, it's not time yet. The night is still only half-eaten."  Consider that Homura has encased the world inside of this new soul gem. She looks at it tenderly, like an egg that she anticipates will soon hatch. She still has a use for an Incubator in this new world. But unlike Utena, she is not sleeping outside of the world, waiting for someone to break out of the shell and revitalize her. On the contrary, she is awaken, she no longer sleeps and dreams; her tired eyes are a proof of her diligence. She is nurturing the world's egg. She is waiting for someone to break free like she has. Now that Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa have been returned to normal magical girls, is it not possible for everyone turn into devils too? Cephas fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 21:15
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Are you suggesting that once Homura's world is consumed, someone will have to break out of their shell and take her place as the demon overlord? If so, that has some interesting implications.
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I'm not sure about that.  (Written on the pole of the umbrella: "Die Ewige Wiederkehr des Gleichen" -- "the eternal recurrence") She's sitting at a table for two, and in some shots, she is speaking to a person just outside of the frame. This says to me that she is anticipating an arrival, but not necessarily a replacement. And that arrival is different from the god that Madoka once embodied, because Homura doesn't allow it to intrude into her world. Also, does anyone know what the heck this thing is? It spins. 
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Cephas posted:Also, does anyone know what the heck this thing is? It spins. The mark on it looks like Madoka's emblem. "The Eternal Feminine"  Might be representative of what Homura stole from Madoka, her power or memories or whatever. e: Homura's emblem for comparison  see you tomorrow fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Is there a good site that points out all the symbolism and translates all the runes, etc?
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