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Steve Yun posted:He wrapped it in that giant lotus leaf Oh, in that case, I guess the clay is just going to act like a lidded, close-fitted dutch oven - the meat will braise slowly in its own moisture.
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Tokubetsu posted:So the AXN site is posting these great little bts interview things that are hosted by Scott Thompson. They're great: Those are great. I think Mads interview was the best. He's so completely different from his character. So casual and nice. The one thing I found strange was how they were pronouncing his name. I though the "d" in Mads name was silent and pronounced Mas, but Lawrence, Hugh, and Scott all pronounced it with the "d." Hmm
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a foolish pianist posted:Oh, in that case, I guess the clay is just going to act like a lidded, close-fitted dutch oven - the meat will braise slowly in its own moisture. "Oh, in that case" Did you even watch the episode? You read that it needed to be wrapped in something and your mind didn't recall that scene. At all? The leaf (kudos to the poster who pointed out it was a lotus leaf) was at least 2x2 ft and seemed even more. How did you miss it? "you guess it is going to act like a lidded, dutch oven" Well what else was it going to do? Sous Vide the protein? Same thing as a salt-crust application. (Although salt is better because of its desiccating properties for a crust, yes it traps in the moisture creating more of a braise than a roast in a dry-heat environment.)
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I've been looking up clay roasting and almost all of it online is clay-roasted chickens and they look pretty pathetic, skins unrendered. I suppose pork or beef might work better with the technique. Although Janice mentions Beggars Chicken and those look pretty good, curious what the difference is... Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Apr 8, 2014 03:16
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Stabitha posted:Those are great. I think Mads interview was the best. He's so completely different from his character. So casual and nice. The one thing I found strange was how they were pronouncing his name. I though the "d" in Mads name was silent and pronounced Mas, but Lawrence, Hugh, and Scott all pronounced it with the "d." Hmm They are also very revealing. It seems like they are playing the relationships a lot more straightforward than we are supposing in the thread. Particularly Mads' interview, where he says his endgame with Will is he just wants to be his friend, how Hannibal likes what he has in common with Jack, and how " I like everyone I seem to like".
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JD Bucks 7 posted:"Oh, in that case" Did you even watch the episode? You read that it needed to be wrapped in something and your mind didn't recall that scene. At all? The leaf (kudos to the poster who pointed out it was a lotus leaf) was at least 2x2 ft and seemed even more. How did you miss it? So I forgot a detail from a show. Yes, I watched. I was just trying to be helpful. I'd seen wet-clay cooking before, and just offered what I remembered. a foolish pianist fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Oh wow, Scott Thompson and Mads are like little kids. "Wee man! He's holding my mic, he's here!"
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zoux posted:They are also very revealing. It seems like they are playing the relationships a lot more straightforward than we are supposing in the thread. Particularly Mads' interview, where he says his endgame with Will is he just wants to be his friend, how Hannibal likes what he has in common with Jack, and how " I like everyone I seem to like". I really think the best place to read about character motivation wrt Hannibal's feelings for Will is directly from the horse's mouth. Several interviews with Fuller have touched on this very topic and I think he leaves very little doubt. http://www.avclub.com/article/hannibals-bryan-fuller-his-brief-sojourn-legal-thr-202178 AVC: You’ve played around a little bit with Hannibal’s emotions. How much do you think he really misses Will? BF: I think he absolutely misses Will. I think he absolutely loves him. I don’t think it is a sexual love, as much as it is this meeting of minds and a very lonely man who sees another very lonely man, who can understand him and appreciate him, and he sees the opportunity for true, genuine friendship for the very first time in his life. So I think it absolutely is genuine, Hannibal’s affection for Will Graham. But... he’s... nuts [Laughs.] so you don’t want that affection. So that’s kind of the fun of it. And I think it has to be true, and I think it has to be a genuine love for him to continue to persecute Will in the way that he does. But all out of the motivation of, “This is tough love. This is going to make you a better person. This is going to make you a truer person to yourself. And I have to take these steps, and I want to be with you on that journey and watch you.” There’s another Thomas Harris quote that we use later on in the season, where Hannibal says to Will, “I can feed the caterpillar. I can whisper to the chrysalis. But what emerges is truly its own thing,” and that’s what’s happening with Hannibal and Will. AVC: Do you think this is unique to Hannibal’s life? Has he had these feelings of intense friendship or intense love before, or is this something that has really gone beyond anything he’s familiar with? BF: I think the answer is yes to both of those things. This is something that he has done before. We do explore that later in the season, that he has had other patients that he may have been encouraging of in different ways, similar to Will’s, but Will’s really “the one.” and http://www.assignmentx.com/2013/exclusive-interview-hannibal-news-on-season-1-season-2-and-beyond-from-showrunner-bryan-fuller/ but for me what did it was this film AFTER THE WEDDING. It’s a beautiful film and he plays this heartbroken man who is trying to get back a lost romance and he was so sweet and emotional and vulnerable, and I really wanted meet him, because I felt like [part of HANNIBAL is] about Hannibal Lecter trying to find a friend, because he’s lonely in his own way. I wanted to see that vulnerability, that bonding, that need for a companion to share his life with in a way that he thought would never be possible. Then along comes Will Graham, a man who empathizes with the worst of humanity, and perhaps there could be a chance for Hannibal to have a friend after all. It felt like it was such a fascinating place to take a villain. It would be very easy to [depict] Hannibal Lecter as a psychopath or a sociopath, and in the book RED DRAGON, Thomas Harris says, “He’s not really a psychopath or a sociopath, because he does understand empathy, so what kind of crazy is he, and the answer is, we don’t know.” Primarily because it’s a work of fiction, but he does not fit any of the kind of the categories of the multi-phasic tests for psychopaths. He doesn’t fit any of those columns, so [the series] looks at him not as a psycho, but as someone who was completely Other. porkchop_express fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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hope and vaseline posted:Oh wow, Scott Thompson and Mads are like little kids. "Wee man! He's holding my mic, he's here!" I especially liked Scott Thompson play-taunting Laurence Fishburne by calling him Larry. (Who notoriously hates the nickname Larry and changed it mid-career. I thought it really pissed him off but he must be more good humored about it nowadays).
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Really? If I remember right, he was Larry Fishburne in King of New York, that 90s gangster film with Walken.
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Mads' interview is great. I had no idea he was so different from his portrayal of Hannibal.
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a foolish pianist posted:Really? If I remember right, he was Larry Fishburne in King of New York, that 90s gangster film with Walken. He was, he just decided to change it. That's why you see him credited as Laurence Fishburne nowadays instead. Excerpt of Adam Carolla interviewing Laurence Fishburne (12.4.09) posted:AC: Don’t you hate it when people do that thing where they go, “Oh, here today gone tomorrow” or “This business. They give it to you and they take it away.” You’re skilled. That’s why you’re working.
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Tokubetsu posted:So the AXN site is posting these great little bts interview things that are hosted by Scott Thompson. They're great: Great interviews. "Hugh Dancy is so short. He's actually on the otherside of this chair!"
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Stabitha posted:Those are great. I think Mads interview was the best. He's so completely different from his character. So casual and nice. The one thing I found strange was how they were pronouncing his name. I though the "d" in Mads name was silent and pronounced Mas, but Lawrence, Hugh, and Scott all pronounced it with the "d." Hmm
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ufarn posted:It's a silent D. I have some theory that Americans don't care for how to pronounce people's names. That's some theory.
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ufarn posted:It's a silent D. I have some theory that Americans don't care for how to pronounce people's names. Only one American out of those four. Jerbs and whatnot.
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Hugh Dancy hailing from the heart the South, Staffordshire, America.
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ufarn posted:It's a silent D. I have some theory that Americans don't care for how to pronounce people's names. Not being able to speak languages you don't understand isn't something exclusive to America.
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Yeah but I mean not knowing how to pronounce someone's name after you spend like a year working with them is kind of insulting. Kind of a leap between "hey this guy I am around all the time had a silent letter in his name" and "learning a new language".
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Maybe he's just not an rear end in a top hat and doesn't want to tell every person he meets how to pronounce his name a certain way in which there's only 5.6 million speakers of in the entire loving world. There's a reason he learned English and we didn't learn Danish 
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Maybe I'm just weird then, but I'd at least make a fair faith effort to learn how to pronounce a name from a different culture if I planned on being around that person for any reasonable length of time. Then again I had a teacher in high school that just gave all of the Vietnamese students new, American names because she couldn't be bothered to even take a swing at getting them right, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it was just a case of nobody giving a poo poo.
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British people don't give a gently caress how words are pronounced in its native language and that owns.
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Hugh Dancy has known him since King Arthur in 2004 and still says it wrong. But Mads doesn't mind and thinks it sounds kind of cool. They talk about A Royal Affair in there, which I haven't seen anybody recommend here yet, but it's really excellent and just a gorgeous movie all around. King Arthur has this fun bit that I can't find a video of, where they might as well be Will and Hannibal.   Here's a little clip of him saying his name if anyone wants to be super accurate.
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Mu Zeta posted:British people don't give a gently caress how words are pronounced in its native language and that owns. I dew blud, innnit.
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I'm still gonna call him 'Mads', because he's right it does sound cooler.
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ufarn posted:It's a silent D. I have some theory that Americans don't care for how to pronounce people's names. It's not completely silent it's just... danish. I'm Swedish and our version of Mads is Mats with a hard 't'. We usually joke that Danish is just drunken and slurred Swedish but it's not so much slurring as it is "swallowing" (muting?) of consonants if that makes sense?
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I always assumed that "Mads" was a pre-Anglicized version of "Matt", and that "Mikkelson" was Anglicized into "Michelson". So I was calling him "Matt Michelson", with the T kind of slurred into an S a bit. But apparently it's "Mickle-son", so whatever.
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At the risk of looking back more than 1 episode, I'd like to think Hannibal appreciates James Gray's mural for reasons not unrelated to his past life as a cyclopic clairvoyant Viking. 
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Tokubetsu posted:So the AXN site is posting these great little bts interview things that are hosted by Scott Thompson. They're great: Waaaaaa none of those work!
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chesh posted:Waaaaaa none of those work! Haven't seen any backups, sorry. Also Fuller on the character Pitt's playing: http://www.scifinow.co.uk/interviews/58959/hannibal-season-2-michael-pitt-the-joker-to-hannibals-batman/ quote:I’m eager for people to take a peek at what he does because I think it will be certainly iconic in the Thomas Harris legacy of these characters,” he tells us. Spoilered one bit for people who haven't seen the films or read the books and dont want even a hint of this character's story arc. Feels like we have so much ground to cover until the finale but I just want all of it now.
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I loved the symbolism of Will in the cage with the Stag's horns growing out from his back and bursting right through the bars of the cage above his head. They showed his power, his ability to reach beyond his imprisonment and come within an inch of killing Hannibal. He took the darkness that had haunted him all through the first season and embraced it. Owned it. Then Hannibal comes in and slaps him down with that comment about Alana. After he leaves, Will looks up at the roof of the cage and his horns are all gone now. The cage, unbroken.
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So I was thinking about this the other day, but why a stag? It can't be as simple as "there's a sculpture of a stag in Hannibal's office", can it?
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I assumed it was because of all the corpses early on that were impaled on antlers, and that it illustrated Will's associative abilities at work, telling him: "This is a killer."
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I'd already forgotten about the upcoming Mason Verger plot because of all the poo poo coming down on Hannibal right now. I don't even see how he could have time to deal with patients when at least two people have him pegged as the potential Chesapeake Ripper. Well, Will knows he's the Ripper and Jack is just highly wary of Hannibal. I have faith that Bryan Fuller will be able to work it into his design for the show, but it seems like a big thing to pile on Hannibal Lecter at the moment.
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Gorilla Salad posted:I loved the symbolism of Will in the cage with the Stag's horns growing out from his back and bursting right through the bars of the cage above his head. They showed his power, his ability to reach beyond his imprisonment and come within an inch of killing Hannibal. He took the darkness that had haunted him all through the first season and embraced it. Owned it. Another piece of imagery from that scene I love is the entire transition into it. Jack and Alana pulling away from him as he braces for stag horns.
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zoux posted:So I was thinking about this the other day, but why a stag? It can't be as simple as "there's a sculpture of a stag in Hannibal's office", can it? In addition to the associative stuff from Garret Jacob Hobbs' murders and the statue in Hannibal's office, it also ties in with the idea of the Wendigo, a cannibal spirit from Algonquin mythology. Though not specified in the wiki article, some versions of the Wendigo look like corpses with stag horns -- and so incidentally the stag when it takes human form in the show is sometimes referred to as "the Wendigo" by fans and in press materials. In Will's case it seems like "growing" horns is associated with his feelings of becoming a murderer, descending to Hannibal's level, and becoming somehow bestial.
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