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RVProfootballer posted:And this is why the FA cup is by no means in the bag for Wenger and the boys. Don't gently caress it up this time, you fuckers. I hope Ramsey scores a Traore-esque OG.
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Shrapnig posted:I could have included United, City, and Chelsea as well but left them out for obvious reasons. Dalglish's Liverpool have a lot more in common with Arsenal than those three who from 2006 have had much better squads than Arsenal.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:27
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Ravel posted:Dalglish's Liverpool have a lot more in common with Arsenal than those three who from 2006 have had much better squads than Arsenal. Liverpool won the Champions League in 2005, it's a bit of a stretch to throw them in with Brum, Pompey, and Wigan.
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Shrapnig posted:Liverpool won the Champions League in 2005, it's a bit of a stretch to throw them in with Brum, Pompey, and Wigan. Dalglish's squad didn't. If City won the cup in 2005 you could list them too.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:29
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not not luvd posted:Would you honestly rather win the Carling Cup and get relegated / face relegation every single season than be Arsenal? It's like people are refusing to belief that chance is a factor here. I would take relegation if it meant winning a trophy
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Apr 9, 2014 22:30
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Ravel posted:Dalglish's squad didn't. If City won the cup in 2005 you could list them too. I think the crux of luvd's argument was "big club spending" and Liverpool were still spending big, it was just on utter dross. Either way, I'm not going to drag this along any further, it's all a bit silly.
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Claiming that Arsenal can't compete financially is deluded.
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irlZaphod posted:Claiming that Arsenal can't compete financially is deluded. Couldn't* but thanks for progressing the conversation.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:45
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irlZaphod posted:Claiming that Arsenal can't compete financially is deluded. Especially after they paid the 2nd highest fee ever for a player in the Premier League.
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Wenger is a great manager and I'd rather see him retire than to give up his ideals and start throwing money around.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:53
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Shrapnig posted:Especially after they paid the 2nd highest fee ever for a player in the Premier League. In that same window City, Chelsea and Spurs spent like 250m combined.
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Ravel posted:In that same window City, Chelsea and Spurs spent like 250m combined. So three other clubs paid double what Arsenal paid for one player and brought in multiple players instead, cool. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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Apr 9, 2014 22:55
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Shrapnig posted:So three other clubs paid double what Arsenal paid for one player and brought in multiple players instead, cool. That Arsenal aren't really competing financially by buying ONE player over both windows, even if that player is 40+m
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Apr 9, 2014 22:57
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Ravel posted:That Arsenal aren't really competing financially by buying ONE player over both windows, even if that player is 40+m They would have(should have) bought Higuain for about 35m but Wenger is a big dumb idiot. Arsenal need to compete financially if they want to win poo poo, that's what I think is so frustrating for Arsenal fans. Spunking 20m on some good but not world class dude and buying three African boys from Ligue 2 isn't going to win you trophies.
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Apr 9, 2014 23:03
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Shrapnig posted:Arsenal need to compete financially if they want to win poo poo, that's what I think is so frustrating for Arsenal fans. Spunking 20m on some good but not world class dude and buying three African boys from Ligue 2 isn't going to win you trophies. Agreed Also I was wrong: Spurs, Chelsea and City all spent over 100m each on players this year.
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Apr 9, 2014 23:08
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Apr 9, 2014 23:11
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Ravel posted:In that same window City, Chelsea and Spurs spent like 250m combined.  Ravel posted:That Arsenal aren't really competing financially by buying ONE player over both windows, even if that player is 40+m
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Apr 9, 2014 23:17
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Shrapnig posted:They would have(should have) bought Higuain for about 35m but Wenger is a big dumb idiot. Also because Napoli would have outbid them still
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Apr 9, 2014 23:20
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Jota posted:Also because Napoli would have outbid them still Better to be outbid than just give up on the transfer.
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50 years from now people will remember Wenger for the Invincibles, but they'll also wonder how he could win the league in 2004 and then nothing after 2005. If he built a team that could go undefeated, why did he stop being able to win anything a year later? Arsenal fans will remember him for rebuilding the club in his own image, and to be fair he did revolutionize the way they did things, but will that really be enough?
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Ravel posted:Agreed Well Bale's sale "spurred" on that buying spree and at least Chelsea brought in ~56m from Mata and De Bruyne.
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vyelkin posted:50 years from now people will remember Wenger for the Invincibles, but they'll also wonder how he could win the league in 2004 and then nothing after 2005. If he built a team that could go undefeated, why did he stop being able to win anything a year later? Enough for what?
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rats off to ya posted:Well Bale's sale "spurred" on that buying spree and at least Chelsea brought in ~56m from Mata and De Bruyne. Im still surprised chelsea managed to get so much cash for De Bruyne
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blue footed boobie posted:Enough for what? To not tarnish his legacy.
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rats off to ya posted:Well Bale's sale "spurred" on that buying spree and at least Chelsea brought in ~56m from Mata and De Bruyne. nice pun
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vyelkin posted:Arsenal fans will remember him for rebuilding the club in his own image, and to be fair he did revolutionize the way they did things, but will that really be enough? You have to be kidding me. This forum is dire sometimes.
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vyelkin posted:To not tarnish his legacy. Obviously it's somewhat tarnished I don't really get that the hell this conversation is about at this point.
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Ewar Woowar posted:Wenger is a great manager and I'd rather see him retire than to give up his ideals and start throwing money around. This, but the opposite.
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Apr 9, 2014 23:26
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Its weird how fixated people are on Wenger not spending as much money as loving Chelsea. Aside from very recently it's been understandable why Arsenal weren't constantly breaking the bank and its not like Wenger is perfect and there isn't plenty of room for criticizing him but its always "LMAO he didn't spend literally billions of dollars so small time"
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Apr 9, 2014 23:28
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I think in 2064 the invincibles will refer to the hardy race of mutants that survived the nuclear winter of 2014/15
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Stinky Pit posted:Its weird how fixated people are on Wenger not spending as much money as loving Chelsea. Aside from very recently it's been understandable why Arsenal weren't constantly breaking the bank and its not like Wenger is perfect and there isn't plenty of room for criticizing him but its always "LMAO he didn't spend literally billions of dollars so small time" Lol just lol if your team hasn't beaten 2/3 teams with unlimited money while you had comparatively a lot less!!!!
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irlZaphod posted:Wow all those clubs combined spent more than a single club? All three clubs spent 100m each. My point is exactly that - they can compete financially with at least Liverpool or Spurs or maybe even United, but they're not. And spending 40m in total in one year is not evidence that they did compete financially this year. Even United, Liverpool and Everton spent 60m, 50m and 30m respectively.
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not not luvd posted:You have to be kidding me. This forum is dire sometimes. It's a legitimate question luvd. Wenger's legacy to non-Arsenal fans will be the Invincibles but it'll also be the long trophy drought. Arsenal fans will remember him rebuilding the club, but other people probably won't because rebuilding the club didn't lead to a long series of trophies the way it did with a manager like Shankly or Ferguson.
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I suppose it's because the invincibles were really expensive and then wenger was like Get this, I can win without these guys too! and then signally failed to do so
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vyelkin posted:It's a legitimate question luvd. Wenger's legacy to non-Arsenal fans will be the Invincibles but it'll also be the long trophy drought. Arsenal fans will remember him rebuilding the club, but other people probably won't because rebuilding the club didn't lead to a long series of trophies the way it did with a manager like Shankly or Ferguson. I'm glad posting is still a thing in the future.
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Arsene isn't stupid. If they miss out on top four, he'll spend a lot in the summer. He seems better suited to a director of football role since he seems to have trouble with man-management and tactics.
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If they miss out on fourth, who'll want to come?
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chuggo is BACK posted:nice pun thanks i've been sitting on that a while.
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The thing I don't get is why it was necessary to rebuild the club, they should have got some Arabs in like everyone else
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I think time will spin his youth project into his 'vanity project' where he thought he new best and stuck at it way too long and cost Arsenal any chance of the league for a decade. When in fact it was more to do with the fact they had no loving money because they built a massive stadium and didnt hold out for the huge naming rights they could have got.
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