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Sebelius says that 7.5 million have enrolled under the ACA. The GOP says "nuh-uh!!!!"
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zoux posted:Sebelius says that 7.5 million have enrolled under the ACA. The GOP says "nuh-uh!!!!" They really are going all in on the "7 million signed up is a fabricated number" line it seems.
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Apr 10, 2014 16:26
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Radish posted:They really are going all in on the "7 million signed up is a fabricated number" line it seems. Yeah they don't have any counter numbers or anything they are just saying "-not, Wayne's World". Once the numbers are concrete from a third party agency they'll just move the goal posts and pretend that they didn't go all in on the "no one will use Obamacare because it's big government" and you know what, everyone will forget that they did.
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Apr 10, 2014 16:27
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haveblue posted:According to those links, Koch collects $88 million, not billion. So it's merely outrageous rather than utterly insane. See this is why I shouldn't sit on links. I could have sworn demos.org had a study that put it at 88 Bln and went with that. Anyways, links are good summary of corporate welfare
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Apr 10, 2014 16:31
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zoux posted:Yeah they don't have any counter numbers or anything they are just saying "-not, Wayne's World". Actually the current line of attack from the political cartoons thread is that the ACA is a failure because over 30 million people still don't have health insurance. Obama has sent them so far to the right they are attacking things from the left
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Apr 10, 2014 16:33
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Breakdown of the Ryan budget the GOP is passing today http://www.vox.com/cards/paul-ryan-budget/can-i-see-those-savings-in-one-chart By the way, it has been active for for a brief time but I am really finding vox a useful source of news. It's what I hoped the new 538 would be. Lots of data sourcing and the reasons broken down coherently. I don't agree with a lot of it, but I don't read the news for agreement, I read it to be informed
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Apr 10, 2014 16:38
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Fried Chicken posted:Breakdown of the Ryan budget the GOP is passing today Who's behind Vox?
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Apr 10, 2014 16:43
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E: I'm also really liking Vox so far. I wonder how long it will take for it to get the "liberal bias" branding so I can no longer link people to it to refute anything. Fried Chicken posted:Actually the current line of attack from the political cartoons thread is that the ACA is a failure because over 30 million people still don't have health insurance. It's a very modern Republican strategy to criticize left programs for not going far enough, like when Romney and Ryan were attacking Obama for cutting Medicare even though that isn't even a half truth and Ryan's own budget would legitimately cut the poo poo out of it. It's easy to attack the opposition from any angle when you have no actual values or principles.
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Apr 10, 2014 16:43
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Fried Chicken posted:Actually the current line of attack from the political cartoons thread is that the ACA is a failure because over 30 million people still don't have health insurance. There was a beautiful week during the 2012 primary where Gingrich and Romney criticized Obama for cutting taxes and being too militaristic, and then the news cycle moved on.
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Apr 10, 2014 16:44
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zoux posted:Who's behind Vox? Calvin Klein I think.
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Apr 10, 2014 16:46
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greatn posted:Calvin Klein I think. You mean Ezra Klein?
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Apr 10, 2014 16:47
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zoux posted:Who's behind Vox? Money I don't know. Writers they basically grabbed all the young "wonk" types they could, like Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias. Matt Tabbi I think went to First Look, but he might have gone to vox. Basically the fallout of Bezos buying the WaPo led to a lot of number crunching contributors going off and doing their own thing because they didn't hew to the new company line on policy
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Apr 10, 2014 16:51
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zoux posted:Who's behind Vox? Vox is from Vox Media. Basically, it started as a network of sports blogs and has expanded from there. If you've seen SBNation, The Verge, or Polygon, they're all part of that network.
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Apr 10, 2014 16:53
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Fried Chicken posted:Breakdown of the Ryan budget the GOP is passing today What an awful budget. Over the next ten years: $5.2 trillion in spending cuts, $5.7 trillion in tax cuts, an additional $5.7 trillion in revenue from closing loopholes and ending deductions, and $7.3 trillion in additional revenue from economic growth. His plan only works if the economy grows at a rate of at least 5%* for the next 10 years. You might as well say Obama's budget balances if you assume healthcare-loving aliens give us a spaceship full of gold. * I'll do some calculus and post a more accurate number later
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Apr 10, 2014 16:55
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:What an awful budget. Over the next ten years: $5.2 trillion in spending cuts, $5.7 trillion in tax cuts, an additional $5.7 trillion in revenue from closing loopholes and ending deductions, and $7.3 trillion in additional revenue from economic growth. His plan only works if the economy grows at a rate of at least 5%* for the next 10 years. You might as well say Obama's budget balances if you assume healthcare-loving aliens give us a spaceship full of gold. Keep in mind that block-granting Medicaid is straight up gonna kill thousands of old people. It's legislative mass murder. Paul Ryan don't care, Paul Ryan's got his, nobody in Paul Ryan's family is on Medicaid (any more).
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Apr 10, 2014 17:00
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zoux posted:Sebelius says that 7.5 million have enrolled under the ACA. The GOP says "nuh-uh!!!!" I read somewhere that the number was closer to 9 million because they weren't factoring in kids who re-enrolled on their parents' plans due to the "age 26" provision. Am I wrong?
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Apr 10, 2014 17:01
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I don't think there's been a Ryan budget that hasn't been full of ridiculous cuts.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:02
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Alter Ego posted:I read somewhere that the number was closer to 9 million because they weren't factoring in kids who re-enrolled on their parents' plans due to the "age 26" provision. Am I wrong? Vox has a breakdown of it http://www.vox.com/health-care/2014/4/10/5579430/vox-guide-obamacare-enrollment-numbers
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Apr 10, 2014 17:03
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He's quite fluent in the GOP language.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:04
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ColoradoCleric posted:I don't think there's been a Ryan budget that hasn't been full of ridiculous cuts. Nor one that's mathematically viable, a trend which I doubt this one will break.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:09
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Well they have the benefit of being able to propose these budgets and then make wild claims about how good they will be knowing they will never become law and never be tested.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:10
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If those people had managed to save better for retirement they could use that money to supplement medicare.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:11
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I love Ryan's budget and the fact that it doesn't do anything to balance the budget. Unless I'm missing something: We currently have a budget deficit of: $x His proposed spending cuts: $5.2t His proposed revenue lost due to tax cuts: $5.7t Net change at the end of his budget: Deficit of $x+0.5t So not only does it gently caress over the poor, it increases the deficit. I love the GOP.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:12
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Khisanth Magus posted:I love Ryan's budget and the fact that it doesn't do anything to balance the budget. Unless I'm missing something: Ah but see you are missing the explosion in economic growth brought about by the government finally getting out of everyone's way.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:13
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Your wrong because job creators will create trillions of dollars of wealth & create jobs because e. f,b
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Apr 10, 2014 17:14
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Except for unions, we the government to get really involved with loving those up.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:14
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zoux posted:Ah but see you are missing the explosion in economic growth brought about by the government finally getting out of everyone's way. Well there will definitely be an uptick in the gravedigging and mortuary industries should his budget pass.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:15
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Khisanth Magus posted:I love Ryan's budget and the fact that it doesn't do anything to balance the budget. Unless I'm missing something: No, no, we get a magical additional $7.3t from closing loopholes and economic growth. Note that he hasn't listed any loopholes or deductions he wants to end, so it's $7.3 trillion that he's hoping to raise through growth.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:16
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zoux posted:Well they have the benefit of being able to propose these budgets and then make wild claims about how good they will be knowing they will never become law and never be tested. I think this is pretty much why the Tea Party constantly just parrots Paul Ryan, none of the old people have read it. If it wasn't for the AARP calling Paul Ryan out on turning social security into a fixed stipend that wouldn't increase in value Obama wouldn't have nearly the support he needed to win the Presidency.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:16
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Khisanth Magus posted:I love Ryan's budget and the fact that it doesn't do anything to balance the budget. Unless I'm missing something: This has literally been every budget Ryan has proposed. The dude is a hack.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:17
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Colbert will be replacing Letterman http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/arts/television/stephen-colbert-to-succeed-letterman-on-late-show.html?smid=tw-bna So I guess the #CancelColbert hashtag worked in a sense
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Apr 10, 2014 17:19
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ColoradoCleric posted:This has literally been every budget Ryan has proposed. The dude is a hack. Personal favorite line: "This resolution calls on comprehensive tax reform and lays out some principles, but it does not embrace any particular plan." e:full proposal, in case nobody's linked it.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:21
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The rich will finally be free! No longer will they be shackled by the poors taking all their hard-earned cash!
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Apr 10, 2014 17:22
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Fried Chicken posted:Colbert will be replacing Letterman I actually kinda don't like this. Colbert's persona works really well in a context where he's always only talking about politics, but maybe not if he's on a generic Late Show where he also has to devote time to pop culture or celebrity gossip or whatever else. So either he abandons the character or it loses its focus.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:23
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Khisanth Magus posted:I love Ryan's budget and the fact that it doesn't do anything to balance the budget. Unless I'm missing something: Is this the one where they also did not even try to hide the fact that they were increasing defense spending? Decades of the same ol' bullshit. loquacius posted:I actually kinda don't like this. Colbert's persona works really well in a context where he's always only talking about politics, but maybe not if he's on a generic Late Show where he also has to devote time to pop culture or celebrity gossip or whatever else. So either he abandons the character or it loses its focus. Yeah there is no way Late Nite Colbert is going to be anywhere near as entertaining as Fake Conservative Blowhard Colbert.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:25
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On the other hand he might get more exposure with the baby boomer generation since they're the ones who typically watch late night shows.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:28
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Monkey Fracas posted:Yeah there is no way Late Nite Colbert is going to be anywhere near as entertaining as Fake Conservative Blowhard Colbert. Colbert has amazing improv chops. Check out strangers with candy. It will be different. But I see no reason to assume that means worse. Besides, the point is to laugh at online "activists"
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Apr 10, 2014 17:28
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JT Jag posted:Using a picture as basis for painting is pretty commonplace these days. It's not like Bush traced the pictures or anything. I don't see the problem. AP took Shepard Fairey to court over it and numerous people on this very forum think Fairey should have been thrown in jail or paid millions in copyright violations for doing it. I'm just surprised by how crappy the paintings look. Those ones that leaked from his hacked email account seemed less melty-face than these.
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Apr 10, 2014 17:34
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duz posted:AP took Shepard Fairey to court over it and numerous people on this very forum think Fairey should have been thrown in jail or paid millions in copyright violations for doing it. 
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Fairey gets poo poo on any chance life gets, and not enough for the internet to be satisfied with.
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