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Yup.quote:However, she was captured by slavers (apparently still at a young age) when she swooped down from flight to rescue a child fleeing from them. They sold her to a circus, where she was kept on display and in a cage so small she had no room to stand, much less stretch her wings, which eventually became diseased. The infection threatened her life, which was saved in a very crude manner by painfully chopping off the wings.
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quote:However, she was captured by slavers when she swooped down from flight to rescue a child fleeing from them.  KoB posted:Wait, there are winged people now?
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Kaidan is an understatedly humorous character, and it's too bad everyone hates him, because he's actually pretty drat great. I think the reason people hate Kaiden is that Rafael Sbarge, was also the voice of Carth Onasi. And people transferred their Carth hatred on to Kaiden. I was guilty of that too but my fiancee convinced me to not kill him first opportunity and the writing was very good.
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Apr 9, 2014 16:28
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I never liked Aerie, but you cannot compare the real terrible poo poo she had to go through (including being adopted by Quayle!), with the rather tame things Alistair had to stomach.
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Apr 9, 2014 18:35
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Alistair is not only whiny, he's also a massive prick about everything. It's kinda amazing how someone can be written as so unlikeable at every turn.
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Apr 9, 2014 18:51
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Alistair is compassionate though. Or at least, he would be, if your party members didn't just stand there like mooks and not make any attempt to restrain you as you literally murder people in front of them.
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Apr 9, 2014 19:27
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They know that if they get in the way of The Murder Knife, they're gonna get The Murder Knife. Seriously, look at it, would you want to go anywhere near that if someone else was holding it and gearing up for some murder?
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Apr 9, 2014 19:31
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Apr 9, 2014 19:55
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Man, I can't wait for like 4 different characters in DA3 to make references to
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losonti tokash posted:Man, I can't wait for like 4 different characters in DA3 to make references to Hahaha calibrations guys remember that. Hey we just killed off another character for no reason. But hey calibrations 
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Apr 9, 2014 23:16
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New DA:I character confirmed: Murder Knife
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So this game won't have any DLC characters because people were mad that Origins and DA2 had on-disc DLC characters.
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 Cassandra Pentaghast, never knew that was her full name. Is she a seventeen-year-old goffic vampire witch who attends Hogwarts School in England?Shame about no extra characters though. They've been some of the best characters in their respective games, but gently caress day 1 DLC 
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Krowley posted:
Huh? I don't know what you are talking about (I only saw the Harry Potter films). Is there some Harry Potter character with a similar name? Penthagast had me immediately think of Pendragon (like in Uther Pendragon, King Arthur's father) which apparently means "head dragon" or "chief dragon" and is probably somewhat appropriate as the name of the royal family of Nevarra, which are also the biggest dragon hunters in all of Thedas. I think I stand on firm grounds when I say that this is the most likely origin of the name. Policenaut posted:So this game won't have any DLC characters because people were mad that Origins and DA2 had on-disc DLC characters. Good to hear! Finally, Bioware shows that they can learn from mistakes.
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Torrannor posted:Huh? I don't know what you are talking about (I only saw the Harry Potter films). Is there some Harry Potter character with a similar name? He's referring to mary-sue fanfic characters with convoluted backstories and silly names, see My Immortal for the most infamous example.
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Alouicious posted:Alistair is not only whiny, he's also a massive prick about everything. It's kinda amazing how someone can be written as so unlikeable at every turn. The problem with Alistair and Morrigan in DAO is that their personalities don't gel with your mission. Every time you offer to help someone Morrigan complains, but how else are you supposed to get xp? And Alistair is difficult to befriend no matter what you do (this wouldn't be a problem if there was another way to unlock the Templar specialization).
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Prophetess Five-Ghoul is a pretty funny name.
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Internet Kraken posted:Alistair does whine a lot though. He whines about a lot of trivial poo poo and will bring up his past problems at the drop of a hat. Even ignoring his past though he'll whine about a ton of poo poo. Waaaah you didn't conduct a horrible blood ritual to save a dumb kid! Waaaah you're making me take responsibilities to save an entire country! Waaaah you're not executing a guy to sate my desire for pointless revenge! WAAAAAAH DUNCAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!! You know that whole issue could have been resolved if the experience warden had explained to Alistair some of the possible uses of a Warden when it comes to dealing with the blight I think he would have been much more onboard with the whole situation. Also I wanted to kill that moron just as much as Alistair did because he was the moron who got the king killed and plunged his country into a civil war whilst the forces of hell were invading due to having issues with the previous human oppressors. "Yes I know that a hoard of flesh hung monster are invading to devour all of humanity but its more important to focus on how untrustworthy our neighbour/former oppressor was even though at there worst they were never as bad as the literal monsters trying to kill us all" 
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Yeaaah, I found it very hard to not kill Loghain, even if he's a good companion, because literally all the problems are his fault. I did like that one of the dialogue options when Anora says she's going to kill Alistair is "FINALLY!" (or something to that effect).
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I liked saving Loghain because it meant I didn't have to let Morrigan have a demon baby, but didn't have to kill my character. I almost always hardened and set Alistair up as king anyways, so it didn't really bother me. He is nuts though, and the only reason to spare him is to let him die instead of people who aren't nuts. I guess I can understand why Alistair may not like the idea of letting the guy who caused the Warden's death into the Warden's, even if it's to die, but holy crap man, the Wardens literally recruit serial killers, murderers, thieves, every bad thing in society! Even traitors! It's not some magical order that we're tainting by letting a single bad person into it.
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But death was too good for him. It's much more fun to think of the special hell that is a nationalistic fantasy Brit being stuck helping out fantasy Frenchmen.
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KittyEmpress posted:I liked saving Loghain because it meant I didn't have to let Morrigan have a demon baby, but didn't have to kill my character. I almost always hardened and set Alistair up as king anyways, so it didn't really bother me. But DUNCAN!  I'm sure those two guys Duncan murder knifed at the beginning of the game totally deserved it.
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MantisToboggan posted:And Alistair is difficult to befriend no matter what you do (this wouldn't be a problem if there was another way to unlock the Templar specialization).  All you had to do was not belittle or dismiss him. Admittedly that temptation can be pretty difficult to resist.Also, reminder that Alistair is 20 years old in DA:O. That at least partially explains why he's such an immature manchild in the way he deals with poo poo. I actually like him as a significantly flawed character... but I'm not entirely convinced all of that was intentional. That said, Morrigan gets mad at you for super dumb, short-sighted reasons sometimes.
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Kibayasu posted:But DUNCAN! They were Darkspawn, so yeah, probably...
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Yeah, that was the game's grimdark way of establishing the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, given the Grey Wardens are tasked with preventing a potential apocalypse I thought it was fair they stopped people blabbing about the more unpleasant and controversial aspects of their organisation.
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MantisToboggan posted:The problem with Alistair and Morrigan in DAO is that their personalities don't gel with your mission. Every time you offer to help someone Morrigan complains, but how else are you supposed to get xp? And Alistair is difficult to befriend no matter what you do (this wouldn't be a problem if there was another way to unlock the Templar specialization). I've never found Alistair difficult to befriend? You just act like a decent human being to him, and he loves you.
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Leelee posted:I've never found Alistair difficult to befriend? You just act like a decent human being to him, and he loves you. And there's the rub, since he's such an smarmy, glib prick. Also Loghain is basically the only character in the game with an actual, honest to god character arc. I mean sure, maybe talk to one of your unlikeable assholes following you around for nebulous reasons and they might change somewhat, slightly. But spare Loghain and he actually has a complete character arc.
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Leelee posted:I've never found Alistair difficult to befriend? You just act like a decent human being to him, and he loves you. Yeah, just be a decent hero, help people out instead of mindlessly murdering them for fun/stat boosts, and don't immediately call him a whiner when he dares to speak of less than happy childhood and Alistair will lay down and die for you. I don't get why he gets so much hate from some people as if he was an actual puzzle to get along with. We're not talking about having a second Morrigan here. Just treat him as a somewhat respected, but still goofy sidekick and you'll be golden. Alouicious posted:And there's the rub, since he's such an smarmy, glib prick. So you're pissed that Alistair actually takes offense at letting the guy who indirectly contributed to his substitute family (as well as his actual brother) being killed, hunted you throughout the entire game, screwed up any chance at Fereldan being prepared for the Blight, and had you tortured right before the scene where you can try to recruit him? How dare Alistair have a realistic response to the man who basically made himself your mortal enemy instead of falling in line?! Geostomp fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Stroop There It Is posted:That said, Morrigan gets mad at you for super dumb, short-sighted reasons sometimes. You mean Master Manipulator Morrigan? Nah you just don't get here. She's uh, she's like brilliant. And totally naive, too. And speaks in Olde English for some reason (even her mom doesn't do that, how did that happen?).
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I had the stupid idea to play DA2 again, only apparently the PS3 digital version has a bug now where it won't update and the opening cutscene with Varric causes your PS3 to grind to a halt and require unplugging. This exact thing has been reported by a bunch of people and there's apparently no solution at all. GG Bioware. Has anyone ever had success getting a refund out of EA?
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precision posted:
Not if you're playing it *again*.
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Drifter posted:Not if you're playing it *again*. This is the digital copy. The physical copy I had is the one I played before.
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precision posted:This is the digital copy. The physical copy I had is the one I played before. I called EA in the past over an Origin issue. They may give you a PC copy for free, which is what they did for me (I had it on disc and the disc stopped working). Worth a shot calling them or using the chat box for help.
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I really liked Loghain as a villian and saved him entirely because i like his voice actor and wanted to hear more of his dialogue. I'd have preferred it if they had made it so he had a plan that had an even slight chance in hell of working though, rather than the gently caress everything up and than get everyone killed by orcs approach.
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Or if there was more to his fear of Orlesian help than just his undying founding father hatred of Fantasy France to make his actions seem more logical or unavoidable. Like stumbling across treaties which assured assistance came at the cost of some severe strategic sacrifice and/or economic concessions to Orlais. But that require the writers to consider actual backdoor politics which could be involved in anything besides an obvious bad guy plot. Edit: Also, speaking of every country being a fantasy equivalent of something, what the gently caress is Kirkwall supposed to be? Because I will be slightly miffed if Kirkwall is some Germanic city-state. I mean, the Mother Courage style assured horrible fate of DA2 would sort of make up for it, but I still think they should be able to make better tiny principalities or the like of a medieval slice of central Europe. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Crabtree posted:Or if there was more to his fear of Orlesian help than just his undying founding father hatred of Fantasy France to make his actions seem more logical or unavoidable. Like stumbling across treaties which assured assistance came at the cost of some severe strategic sacrifice and/or economic concessions to Orlais. But that require the writers to consider actual backdoor politics which could be involved in anything besides an obvious bad guy plot. He hates Orlais because they raped and murdered his mother in front of him and subjugated his country and all that. Even if Loghain was sort of comically evil, his hate of Orlais is totally justified.
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Crabtree posted:Or if there was more to his fear of Orlesian help than just his undying founding father hatred of Fantasy France to make his actions seem more logical or unavoidable. Like stumbling across treaties which assured assistance came at the cost of some severe strategic sacrifice and/or economic concessions to Orlais. But that require the writers to consider actual backdoor politics which could be involved in anything besides an obvious bad guy plot. The only backdoor politics the Bioware writers are capable of writing involves a bottle of lube, a troubled youth, a few smarmy looks and a fade to black.
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KoB posted:He hates Orlais because they raped and murdered his mother in front of him and subjugated his country and all that. Even if Loghain was sort of comically evil, his hate of Orlais is totally justified. They also killed his dog. I'm not kidding.
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KoB posted:He hates Orlais because they raped and murdered his mother in front of him and subjugated his country and all that. Even if Loghain was sort of comically evil, his hate of Orlais is totally justified. Leelee posted:They also killed his dog. Almost stereotypical personal vendettas are nice, but when the writing requires Kain to be some kind of strategic and political genius that allowed Fereldon to have successfully won against the might of Orlais, I'd expect a little more forethought and purpose to his actions besides drat THOSE FROGGIES!  I know their war hounds are cool as all get out, but come on. Give me some more Henry V than John Lackland. 
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