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If your humanity is really low, talking to McFly will make your character frenzy and you're forced to kill him. This is the only part I remember where frenzy is triggered through dialogue, which is kind of neat. TheMcD posted:Hm? I thought the :wesp: solution to that was a new option that simply allowed you to tell Heather to stay the gently caress indoors which kept her from getting kidnapped, and my last playthrough was with the latest Plus Patch. This still sounds like a stupid design decision, because it completely undermines the point Troika was trying to make with Heather.
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DeusExMachinima, you've just had two posts with spoilers, the one with Heather's outfits (I specifically said in the previous update that I would show them off later), and a goddamn ending to the game (alternate or not, it's still has ending spoilers). Why would you do this? Please edit those out of your posts. The OP clearly says to keep spoilers in tags, but in this case I'm asking you to edit them out entirely because they're so severe. I don't want to have to lock the thread because of this. I don't report people but Jesus Christ this is really the only time I'm considering it. You've been a good contributor to the thread before this. Why do this now? E: The spoilers are gone now. I hope you don't get probated -- I didn't ask for that. I just asked for them to be removed. I'm sorry if this post sounded too harsh. gatz fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Apr 2, 2014 22:11
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Ah, thought anything went as long as it was linked/tagged. My gently caress up there!
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Apr 3, 2014 01:35
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Samuel Clemens posted:If your humanity is really low, talking to McFly will make your character frenzy and you're forced to kill him. This is the only part I remember where frenzy is triggered through dialogue, which is kind of neat. Hollywood isn't a bad hub. Each hub seems to have their own theme. Santa Monica is basically a dilapidated ghetto, Downtown is modern and polished, but it is all window dressing and when you dig beneath the veneer you find that it is just occupied by a higher class of scum. Hollywood is focused on sex and degradation, etc. Also, the place at the end of this hub is not that bad. Some good and thematic reading in there if you are willing to poke around. I figure most people hate it because they can't find exits/were built almost solely for talking when they first reached it.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:43
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Look it's an area that requires foreknowledge to not be a pain in the rear end. I won't say anymore but I don't like things that require me to have already played the game in order to not be aggravating.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:48
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DeusExMachinima posted:Ah, thought anything went as long as it was linked/tagged. My gently caress up there! No problem. Again, sorry if that post sounded harsh. As the previous update's post time may suggest, I'm running a little low on sleep today.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:57
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Does that getting bothered to see the Baron ever escalate to violence, or is it just annoying?
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Apr 3, 2014 02:58
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Glazius posted:Does that getting bothered to see the Baron ever escalate to violence, or is it just annoying? Just annoying. I'm sure you can attack "sweeper" if you want to, but I'm not sure if he fights back. A vampire on vampire battle in the streets is a pretty clear masquerade violation.
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Shugojin posted:Look it's an area that requires foreknowledge to not be a pain in the rear end. I won't say anymore but I don't like things that require me to have already played the game in order to not be aggravating. Not to mention the area fucks you hard if you just happen to be a Ventrue (like Melissa is, and like I was in my first playthrough) - my Toreador specced for combat had an easier time of it, but with my Ventrue the whole thing was just a disaster. That shouldn't be punished as heavily as it is there.
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Apr 3, 2014 03:01
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To move away from talking about future areas in tons of tags, is it possible to use the plus patch with the Steam version of the game? I tried it the other day and Steam refused to launch the game afterward.
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gatz posted:Just annoying. I'm sure you can attack "sweeper" if you want to, but I'm not sure if he fights back. A vampire on vampire battle in the streets is a pretty clear masquerade violation.  Where the Camarilla have Sheriffs, Hounds (basically Kindred deputized by the Sheriff to enjoy some of its leeway with the Masquerade), and Scourges (which has fluctuated a bit in the various editions but as of V20 is basically a thinblood/caitiff killer as opposed to the Warden which keeps an eye on people crossing in to the Prince's Domain) to enforce the will of the Prince, Barons have... Sweepers. There's actually a few different terms for them (Abacus being one) but they basically keep an eye on people moving in and out of the Baron's Domain and do their best to keep the Anarchs informed of what's going on. They lack the aegis of the Traditions to freely lash out too frequently and kind of represent a nifty part of the Anarch philosophy in my mind, where a Baron has to at least pay some lip service to the others in its Domain. You can see some of that survive in to VtR and the Carthian Movement who symbolically vote members not carrying their weight off the island by showing up in Elysium with their arms full of crap and dumping it at the individual's feet. If they can't get enough support from their brothers and sisters to help them carry the stuff out in one load they're -out-. And Gatz, you might be being a little harsh on Isaac - he's much more corporate than the Brujah at the Last Round are, yes, but the Anarchs have their fair share of both Toreador and Ventrue who act exactly like Isaac do while still supporting the Cause. I can't really touch upon what makes him different/informs his actions without getting in to spoilers but luckily those'll be taken care of soon. Still, needless to say, Isaac's managed to keep the Camarilla -out- of Hollywood which is no easy feat.
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Pickled Tink posted:There's one other spot later on in a forced confrontation from a sidequest where you can dialogue-frenzy. I just completed an entertaining low humanity run. Gods sassing people in Hollywood is fun. Wait, do the dialogue responses actually change a whole lot just from being low humanity? I never tried that, thought it was just another unused gimmick.
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mortons stork posted:Wait, do the dialogue responses actually change a whole lot just from being low humanity? I never tried that, thought it was just another unused gimmick. Yep. For example, compassionate responses like with the dying homeless man or Hannah are not available with low humanity
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citybeatnik posted:And Gatz, you might be being a little harsh on Isaac - he's much more corporate than the Brujah at the Last Round are, yes, but the Anarchs have their fair share of both Toreador and Ventrue who act exactly like Isaac do while still supporting the Cause. I can't really touch upon what makes him different/informs his actions without getting in to spoilers but luckily those'll be taken care of soon. Still, needless to say, Isaac's managed to keep the Camarilla -out- of Hollywood which is no easy feat. You sound like my Leninist friends: prevent the counter-revolution by becoming the counter-revolution. (It's a joke -- I don't want this thread to turn into a political debate) Regardless, thank you for the infodump, citybeatnik.
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We also have Therese who refers to herself as Baroness of Santa Monica, and some of the conversations you have with her allude to what you were trying to hit home at. One conversation late in the game with Therese and Jeanette with the former all but securing herself as Prince of Santa Monica, implying that she's gone over to the Camarilla.
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This is relevant to this thread. (Spoilers because it's funnier if you don't know what this is going to be about until you click the link.) It's hilarious that this congressional candidate would be a VTM LARPer in his spare time, and it's also funny that the people who reported it have no clue what LARP is, thinking that he's some sort of occultist and that "gothic punk" means he is a punk.
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WEEDLORDBONERHEGEL posted:This is relevant to this thread. (Spoilers because it's funnier if you don't know what this is going to be about until you click the link.) It's hilarious that this congressional candidate would be a VTM LARPer in his spare time, and it's also funny that the people who reported it have no clue what LARP is, thinking that he's some sort of occultist and that "gothic punk" means he is a punk. E: And, more appropriately, a Ventrue.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Right, so I looked the alt costumes up to make sure my memory was correct. The goth get up is normal actually. [spoiler picture] ridiculously exaggerates her assets, even more than how it is already. Or that might just be :wesp: Heck, I'm still kind of surprised for a game and setting as big on the gothic aesthetic as VTM, that the game doesn't allow for more character customization in terms of fashion and clothing.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:There's multiple alt costumes? Are we going to be able to see them all in the LP? Yes. Sorry about the wait, everybody. I'm busy with long rear end research papers.
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I binged through this LP in a few days and now I'm left waiting for new episodes like a pleb:( I kinda want to start my own playthrough but repeating so much of the game is meh, how far are we anyway? Very nice presentation gatz, what with the mini-portraits and soundtracks and everything. Looking forward to the continuation!
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Jean Pony posted:I binged through this LP in a few days and now I'm left waiting for new episodes like a pleb:( I kinda want to start my own playthrough but repeating so much of the game is meh, how far are we anyway? Very nice presentation gatz, what with the mini-portraits and soundtracks and everything. Looking forward to the continuation! We have two hubs left, counting Hollywood since it just started, and then a rather long and extremely linear endgame where I invariably stop playing because I'm already done with all the parts I like.
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Shugojin posted:We have two hubs left, counting Hollywood since it just started, and then a rather long and extremely linear endgame where I invariably stop playing because I'm already done with all the parts I like. Yeah. Bloodlines is a fun trip, but the ending is a bit under-developed compared to a lot of the fun bits of the hubs.
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The ending of the game is a non-stop orgy of Matrix-style slo-mo gunfights if you pick the best clan. 
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Zeroisanumber posted:Yeah. Bloodlines is a fun trip, but the ending is a bit under-developed compared to a lot of the fun bits of the hubs. I find with every game with hubs full of side-quests (off the top of my head, the Deus Ex series and Dragon Age: Origins), those are the bits I'm playing for. The main quest-line is the tedious slog I put up with for more hubs. That's an exaggeration, I do enjoy the main quest stuff, just not nearly as much as the side-quests. For my money, they could drop the main quest and just spend their time making more little side-quests. There doesn't need to be a big over-arching story, just have the game end when you either complete or render uncompletable every quest.
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Pvt.Scott posted:The ending of the game is a non-stop orgy of Matrix-style slo-mo gunfights if you pick the best clan. Or an orgy of blood and violence stemming from a bladed whirlwind going at the speed of light, as it was in my case.
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Tiggum posted:I find with every game with hubs full of side-quests (off the top of my head, the Deus Ex series and Dragon Age: Origins), those are the bits I'm playing for. The main quest-line is the tedious slog I put up with for more hubs. That's an exaggeration, I do enjoy the main quest stuff, just not nearly as much as the side-quests. For my money, they could drop the main quest and just spend their time making more little side-quests. There doesn't need to be a big over-arching story, just have the game end when you either complete or render uncompletable every quest. The problem with that method is that many players only do the main quest and a few side quests, so time spent on stuff a majority of players may not see is wasted resources. A driving plot line als helps direct and anchor the player. I'm in your camp though. I've played tons of Skyrim but have barely touched the two main quest lines . I just like mashing bandits and finding cool stuff in the woods.
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Pvt.Scott posted:The ending of the game is a non-stop orgy of Matrix-style slo-mo gunfights if you pick the best clan. B.. b.. but the Tremere can't take Celerity!
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TheMcD posted:Or an orgy of blood and violence stemming from a bladed whirlwind going at the speed of light, as it was in my case. No way. An orgy of blood and violence stemming from a single, implacable, unstoppable, juggernaut of claw-wielding death, in my case. Shoot it all you want; it never stops or even slows down.
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barcoded posted:B.. b.. but the Tremere can't take Celerity! For the Tremere it's an orgy of stunlocking one enemy after another and casually walking around the level.
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ulmont posted:No way. An orgy of blood and violence stemming from a single, implacable, unstoppable, juggernaut of claw-wielding death, in my case. Shoot it all you want; it never stops or even slows down. Yeah, I turned on invulnerability cheat, too.
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So, I just spend some extended time listening to the soundtrack and the Deb of Night show, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or not, but I'll just ask anyway: Deb - Kindred or Kine? The main discussion point for this question comes in the fifth and final part of her show, which we haven't gotten to yet, but still, there's a few minor points worth bringing up in the previous bits, most notably the caller talking about the Final Nights, who directly namedropped a few key words when it comes to Gehenna. Now, is Deb's calm dismissal of that guy the standard radio personality "oh hey, it's another crazy guy, only the fiftieth this evening" routine, or is she specifically playing those supernatural things down to keep the Kine believing that those things are just superstition, when they're actually real as can be? Personally, I'd say she's a ghoul working with the Nosferatu as part of their intelligence network - after all, disinformation can be just as valuable as actual information, and every once in a while, something interesting comes up they'd want to know about, so you might as well get it right from the source. And while it might be a stretch, note that after that call, she immediately cuts to commercials. Is that because she needs to tell somebody about this? It's worth thinking about, at least, and the theory gains a lot more weight in the final part of the show.
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TheMcD posted:So, I just spend some extended time listening to the soundtrack and the Deb of Night show, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or not, but I'll just ask anyway: I'll say human just because I find the idea of "hey look, literally every other person is a loving vampire, isn't it exciting" very off-putting.
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TheMcD posted:Deb - Kindred or Kine? Now there's an interesting theory. She could well be a Kindred - running interference on all the crazies who want to expose vampires is a valuable job, and a secure (albeit minor) position of status for a young Kindred who isn't ready to try making a serious power play. In general you can pretty much guarantee that someone is behind all the local media, ready to quash masquerade breaches before they happen. Getting into outright speculation, I'm gonna guess that she's a Nos: Later on we'll meet Imalia, who has never gotten over the fact that she isn't beautiful anymore. Deb might have been turned into a monstrosity, but her voice is as alluring as ever - so radio might be a tempting job, no? steinrokkan posted:I'll say human just because I find the idea of "hey look, literally every other person is a loving vampire, isn't it exciting" very off-putting. This is the World of Darkness, literally every other person really is a loving vampire. Or a ghoul. Or a mage. Or a werewolf. Or a... you get the idea.
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steinrokkan posted:I'll say human just because I find the idea of "hey look, literally every other person is a loving vampire, isn't it exciting" very off-putting. This is the World of Darkness. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting some sort of special supernatural snowflake.
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Not supernatural is a ten points merit.
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inflatablefish posted:This is the World of Darkness, literally every other person really is a loving vampire. Or a ghoul. Or a mage. Or a werewolf. Or a... you get the idea. Zeroisanumber posted:This is the World of Darkness. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting some sort of special supernatural snowflake. Angry Lobster posted:Not supernatural is a ten points merit. Well, this right here is why I've been unable to get into WoD. Bloodlines got me fired up, but reading the source material proper quickly cooled my enthusiasm.
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steinrokkan posted:Well, this right here is why I've been unable to get into WoD. Bloodlines got me fired up, but reading the source material proper quickly cooled my enthusiasm. If it's any consolation, it's very different in the New World of Darkness. Things are much more fragmented, and the supernatural is far less invasive into reality. Personally, I loved the batshit insanity of oWoD, and nWoD doesn't quite hit the spot for me.
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To be fair, the storyteller is free to take or leave whatever metaplot elements he or she chooses.
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