Madmarker posted:I am firmly convinced that I want Mutavault to be like BOP once was, a perennial coreset staple. It plays well in so many different archetypes, filling different roles, everyone wants to play with it, using Mutavault is always fun. It gives incentives for 2 color decks, while still allowing for crazy mana bases. And it has cute interactions with EVERYTHING. These are the nicest words I've ever seen formulated for Mutavault from anyone who has been playing Standard for the last 7 months, because this card has completely dominated and destroyed Standard and it can't rotate fast enough. I guess I'm glad I built Rw Burn because City of Brass 2.0 is exactly the card it needed and wants to play against.
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Apr 11, 2014 17:58
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Count Bleck posted:To be fair, Soulbond was nutty. It was miserable in limited. Probably because Avacyn Restored was the worst set for limited in a long time. Oh you have an uncommon four drop creature? Guess I can't win now because there's no loving removal in this set.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:09
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Bugsy posted:The sales solicitation PDF unfortunatly doesn't spoil anything else. http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/Sales/Solicitations/2014_4_8_Conspiracyprod_Solicitation_en_US.pdf Dang, the idea of a set specifically for drafted free-for-all matches is neat. I really hope my local store gets in on this.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:13
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MrBling posted:It was miserable in limited. Probably because Avacyn Restored was the worst set for limited in a long time.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:15
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Roadie posted:Dang, the idea of a set specifically for drafted free-for-all matches is neat. I really hope my local store gets in on this. I get that everyone has a different idea of fun, but I really don't like multiplayer formats. I'll be giving it a pass.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:16
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AnacondaHL posted:These are the nicest words I've ever seen formulated for Mutavault from anyone who has been playing Standard for the last 7 months, because this card has completely dominated and destroyed Standard and it can't rotate fast enough. How has mutavault destroyed the format? I mean sure it made pack rat super annoying but it's not like revelation or thoughtseize in that it essentially dictates what decks are viable.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:37
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Jimmy Jazz posted:How has mutavault destroyed the format? I mean sure it made pack rat super annoying but it's not like revelation or thoughtseize in that it essentially dictates what decks are viable. More PAX stuff: 
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Jimmy Jazz posted:How has mutavault destroyed the format? I mean sure it made pack rat super annoying but it's not like revelation or thoughtseize in that it essentially dictates what decks are viable. Because it suffers from the same problem that the original duals run into - almost literally every competitive deck has the card, frequently as a 4-of. And its $35. gently caress Mutavault. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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Apr 11, 2014 18:41
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MrBling posted:It was miserable in limited. Probably because Avacyn Restored was the worst set for limited in a long time. Draft every Peel From Reality. Secret bomb of the format.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:42
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Draft every Peel From Reality. Secret bomb of the format. I think you are the only person who liked that format.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:44
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MrBling posted:It was miserable in limited. Probably because Avacyn Restored was the worst set for limited in a long time. I think it was more due to the scarcity of the removal, than Soulbond the mechanic. I though many of the Soulbond guys like Wingcrafter, Tandem Lookout, Nightshade Peddler were pretty sweet as such, and in a "more normal" format their power relative to the risk of playing them would have been at a good spot. It was just that together with the dearth of truly reactive cards the few creature P/T boosting guys like Trusted Forcemage and Druid's Familiar could be pretty obscene.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:51
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I think you are the only person who liked that format. *Also raises hand* Really, the only limited format I haven't cared for so far since joining at Innistrad's release has been Dragon Maze/Gatecrash/Return to Ravnica.
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Apr 11, 2014 18:55
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I think you are the only person who liked that format. I know it was unpopular and there were some things that really shouldn't have been the case. I hated how binary Thatcher Revolt was, how swingy miracles could be, and how utterly miserable Moonsilver Spear was. But I loved the poo poo out of how soulbond meant you could use bounce as a combat trick, how you could recycle ETBs with flicker, that there were two different black archetypes and if you had a sac outlet you could shift between them on the fly, etc. I think I just had a lot of fun experiences with the set. It probably also helped that it was probably the winningest draft format I ever had. That or full RTR block (which I also enjoyed despite its unpopularity.)
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Apr 11, 2014 18:59
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Ramos posted:*Also raises hand* How do you like AVR AVR AVR more than DGR? 
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Apr 11, 2014 18:59
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Ramos posted:*Also raises hand* So you hated DGM/GTC/RTR but liked avacyn restored limited okay guy
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Apr 11, 2014 19:00
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I didn't play AVR limited, but DGR was awful.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:03
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The thing I hated more than anything about AVR was getting to the last 5-6 cards in the pack and thinking "I want none of these."
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Apr 11, 2014 19:03
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Entropic posted:The thing I hated more than anything about AVR was getting to the last 5-6 cards in the pack and thinking "I want none of these." It was more like the last 10 cards in the pack, but yeah.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:05
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Entropic posted:The thing I hated more than anything about AVR was getting to the last 5-6 cards in the pack and thinking "I want none of these." It was more like the last 10 cards, but yeah. Lots of filler in that set. edit: lol, same exact reply. 
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Apr 11, 2014 19:05
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What's the consensus on M14? Because boy howdy I had a lot of fun with that one, though it's odd that I went 3-1 in literally every single sanctioned draft of it I did (which was one or more per week every week of the format!)
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I think you are the only person who liked that format. Actually, I thought avacyn was an awesome limited format. It was gimmicky and high variance, but very fun to play so long as you accept the high variance as a major mechanic of the format. All of scars block was awful in limited, and dragons maze limited was stupid.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:05
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the consensus on M14? Because boy howdy I had a lot of fun with that one, though it's odd that I went 3-1 in literally every single sanctioned draft of it I did. No dual lands and gave us the glory that is mutavault standard so no thank you. Scooze is neat though.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:06
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I mean as a limited format.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:07
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50 pounds of bread posted:Actually, I thought avacyn was an awesome limited format. It was gimmicky and high variance, but very fun to play so long as you accept the high variance as a major mechanic of the format. I really liked Scars block. Once you figured out how to draft it (stay colorless for the first 5 or so picks) it was pretty easy to break.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:07
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Count Bleck posted:Sorry, but Spanish Lifebane Zombie is the best. The best Spanish card will probably always be Seņor Myr.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:07
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Zoness posted:How do you like AVR AVR AVR more than DGR? Because DGR was stuffed with a bunch of poo poo that pigeonholed you into a guild before seeing any actual fun cards. It was awful. Low power AVR was way better, because the archetypes were flavorful and fun to play, variance aside.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:08
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rabidsquid posted:The best Spanish card will probably always be Seņor Myr. I personally like Sorin, El Seņor de Innistrad.
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Apr 11, 2014 19:08
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ScarletBrother posted:I really liked Scars block. Once you figured out how to draft it (stay colorless for the first 5 or so picks) it was pretty easy to break. I didn't like it, because everyone drafts the same cards since everything is colorless, it makes drafting unpleasant because colorless bombs are everywhere and snap picks regardless of color. There was little to no variety in the format, which is what I find enjoyable in limited formats. People aren't wrong for liking it, it's just not at all what I am looking for when I play limited.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the consensus on M14? Because boy howdy I had a lot of fun with that one, though it's odd that I went 3-1 in literally every single sanctioned draft of it I did (which was one or more per week every week of the format!) I didn't find it half as fun as M13. White was really awful, green and blue were good but boring, too many unplayable cards in general.
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Zoness posted:How do you like AVR AVR AVR more than DGR? Mortimer posted:So you hated DGM/GTC/RTR but liked avacyn restored limited Woah man, so long as we're being melodramatic. I think the main thing that annoyed me about Dragon Maze is that they put all of the fixing and what not into the first set your draft. If they had been flipped around, I think it would have been more enjoyable, oddly enough. But yes, I did quite enjoy Avacyn Restored. Miracles and bonding tend to be unusual things in the draft and require quite a bit of different thinking than usual to handle. Certainly not the best draft format, but still quite a bit enjoyable if you didn't try to force it work like every other set.
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50 pounds of bread posted:I didn't like it, because everyone drafts the same cards since everything is colorless, it makes drafting unpleasant because colorless bombs are everywhere and snap picks regardless of color. There was little to no variety in the format, which is what I find enjoyable in limited formats. I guess my last experiences with it was drafting it at a new at the time LGS with a lot of new players who didn't know the format. I ran so many consecutive weeks of 3-0's pods into free drafts + store credit, that probably colors my opinion of the format.
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AVR limited was so boring that it's what made me finally break down and get a Netflix subscription so I had something to do while grinding events. Not sure we'll ever see another limited format you can 3-1 or 4-0 consistently while literally not paying attention to your match at all. If you were ahead on board the game was almost certainly over. edit: I am a little surprised to see people favor formats they do well in versus ones that are fun, a lot of really boring limited formats are easy to crush and the relation isn't a coincidence.
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tzirean posted:I didn't play AVR limited, but DGR was awful. DGR wasn't bad, the players attempting to draft it were. It required a lot more thought and planning to draft a good deck, and, at least at my store, most players draft according to 3 simple steps: Step 1 -- Pick the strongest card in the first pack. In this context, strongest usually means most valuable. Step 2 -- Pick the strongest card passed to you next. Bonus if it's in the same color or shares a color. Step 3 -- Just pick the strongest card that matches and hope for the best. That is the color(s) you are drafting no matter what signals you receive. This is why Theros draft is really boring for me....I get really screwed trying to deviate from this because no one can take a hint, so it's basically whoever's pack chose the right color combo for them wins. It's probably better than this experience would indicate, but I really don't draft anymore, at least not until I can find a group that knows how.
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ScarletBrother posted:I guess my last experiences with it was drafting it at a new at the time LGS with a lot of new players who didn't know the format. I ran so many consecutive weeks of 3-0's pods into free drafts + store credit, that probably colors my opinion of the format. Yeah, if you drafted with people who knew what they were doing, you would have found the format to be much different. I mostly draft with my draft group, and we all generally know what we are doing, so that format was just repetitive and unfun.
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Entropic posted:I didn't find it half as fun as M13.
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M14 is only fun if you can assemble 6 Act of Treasons and all the Red/Black sac outlets.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:DGR wasn't bad, the players attempting to draft it were. It required a lot more thought and planning to draft a good deck, and, at least at my store, most players draft according to 3 simple steps: Even when you gave it careful thought DGR draft was a trainwreck generator. Slow, bad mana fixing made it such a crapshoot. Plus the tease of having a heavily multicolor set without good fixing to really support it made it such a disappointment.
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I hate M14 with a passion. Blue was absurdly strong, white was almost unplayable, and it was so loving grindy that elixir of immortality was an actual wincon.
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legoman727 posted:I hate M14 with a passion. Blue was absurdly strong, white was almost unplayable, and it was so loving grindy that elixir of immortality was an actual wincon. This is exactly why I love M14 
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