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Next step: Make it legal to kill in defense of another person's fetus. Are fetuses defined as people elsewhere in law that anyone knows about?
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Apr 12, 2014 06:32
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The libertarians were driven out years before LF was closed.
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Apr 12, 2014 06:46
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paragon1 posted:Next step: Make it legal to kill in defense of another person's fetus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_rights Source 8 at the bottom has a PDF of legal cases used so far. The site is down at the moment, but the wiki has a handful of things leaning that way.
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ReindeerF posted:It's hard to remember sometimes that this place has been around for 13 years. That's 5-6% of a lifetime and a lot of people have gone through huge life changes during that time that, as with any normal person, radically affect their views. Old D&D was intolerable. New D&D is entertaining. Also I'm a socialist and I used to be a libertarian. So it's like, D&D: it's me.
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Old D&D was terrible. LF was funny and sometimes fascinating if a bit too intense. I did love the initial Obama campaign's effect on the forums. Everyone on here got swept up with Obama fever. Most posters had some avatar of Obama or that stupid little orb thing they used in his campaign. I remember there being a mild shift against him when he got to the general election and a few of the British posters started referring to him as the American Tony Blair but by and large the forums were totally on board the Obama express. Just goes to show if you manage to tap into a deep desire among the people for reform you can completely short circuit their normal cynicism and doubt. Also the forum as a whole was younger then. It's definitely been an interesting life cycle even if I only dip into it on occasion.
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Apr 12, 2014 07:10
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Why can't conservatism die a horrible, quick death? Because life is poo poo.
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Apr 12, 2014 08:14
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joeburz posted:Why can't conservatism die a horrible, quick death? Because life is poo poo. Propaganda works on humans.
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Apr 12, 2014 08:16
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Don't forget the toxx threads for Romney and McCain. Imagine those exiled many right wing blow hards.
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FAUXTON posted:Not on the field
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DemeaninDemon posted:Don't forget the toxx threads for Romney and McCain. Imagine those exiled many right wing blow hards. The McCain thread absolutely shuttered a lot of the really conservative posters. The ban reasons were loving hilarious too.
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ReindeerF posted:It's hard to remember sometimes that this place has been around for 13 years. That's 5-6% of a lifetime and a lot of people have gone through huge life changes during that time that, as with any normal person, radically affect their views. 13 years are 5-6% of a lifetime? I think that's a little low. As somebody who is relatively new, where can I find out what LF was and why it was closed? Is there something like a SA-history thread?
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ReindeerF posted:In the early days part of the forum was openly Republican for a couple of years, really. Even when it turned all "well I'm a libertarian" you still had self-proclaimed ubertarians like VoR blowing up and screaming "In a time of war if you do not shut the gently caress up and get in line behind the President then you should be tried for treason!!!!" or whatever. Only Calenth (since reformed) and Remedy (since prosecuted) and a couple of others really toed the libertarian line with finesse.
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Torrannor posted:13 years are 5-6% of a lifetime? I think that's a little low. LF aka Lasseiz's Faire was a FYAD lite about politics and a sub forum of D&D. It was closed because prominent LF poster and Chilean self-proclaimed "Anime Marxist" Maggot Master made a post entitled "Goon Project: Let's Kill the President of the United States Barack Obama" as a joke. The Secret Service found out and got Lowtax in trouble. LF was closed and its best posters were permabanned. I have been trying to find a new forum to whitenoise in ever since. Wolfman Nards fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Doctor Butts posted:The libertarians were driven out years before LF was closed. LF was opened as a valve for D&D in the same vein as GBS to FYAD. However despite the initial impetus, LF developed its own culture separate from the Goon/FYAD culture as a whole. This included being really into talking about how cool it would be to have Ron Paul as a president. And then, the way I remember it, the :evol: emote went over like a lead blimp and other dickings with google analytics annoyed people enough to start paying attention. With the LF-Libertarian's constant hype for 'their guy', LF produced more and more quality posts attacking Ron Paul and, eventually, the root libertarian and regressive ideology that it sprouted from. LF itself flew leftward and with LF goes D D.
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greatn posted:I heard that was actually posted in FYAD though. I was there when it happened. LF was my favorite forum. e: My username back then was Ban-Kai Moon. It was very appropriate at the time. Wolfman Nards fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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LF will always have been worth it for TobleroneTriangular's election-spanning performance art, for ShadowCatboy's D&D Campaigning Gifs, and for "Barack Obama And The Pirates Of Wichita". It got pretty tiresome after the election though.
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Torrannor posted:13 years are 5-6% of a lifetime? I think that's a little low. GetWellGamers posted:LF will always have been worth it for TobleroneTriangular's election-spanning performance art, for ShadowCatboy's D&D Campaigning Gifs, and for "Barack Obama And The Pirates Of Wichita".
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GetWellGamers posted:It got pretty tiresome after the election though. If you put all the white noise posters on ignore it was this really amazing 'PolySci w/Swears' thing that I haven't seen anywhere else. LF didn't earn a special place in anyone's heart with ~Trolling Superstars~ (except TT and his grade-A creative writing).
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LF was originally a place to dump all the Ron Paul threads that idiots were posting, and then a bunch of lefty types started paying attention to who Ron Paul is and basically ran the Paulsies off the forums, whereupon it became the LF we all knew and (to wildly different degrees) loved.
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Isn't Maggotmaster some kind of Nazi now?
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Has anyone ever done a survey on the political views of the D&D reading population? Think it'd be interesting.
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shrike82 posted:Has anyone ever done a survey on the political views of the D&D reading population? Every now and then someone posts a poll/quiz kind of thing that gives an estimate of your political leanings. From what I remember the vast majority of the people on here tend to skew pretty left (socially liberal) on them when they post their results. As far as LF, it was an amazing place to be in the run-up to the '08 election. It continued producing quality content for a short while afterwards, but quickly lost its spark without having a uniting purpose behind everything (once again, the election). Still, at least a couple goldmines came out of the forum and for quite a while it was basically just DnD with more swearing and joke threads thrown in. I miss it.
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shrike82 posted:Has anyone ever done a survey on the political views of the D&D reading population? Yeah, it happens occasionally. If you want to see a slapfight about the difference between liberals and leftists and Democrats and progressives and is NPR really liberal and can any American truly call themselves a leftist and yadda yadda yadda BUT you're too impatient to see which thread is going to derail into this conversation this particular week, posting a D&D political survey is a great way to jumpstart everyone's favorite conversation.
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Wolfman Nards posted:LF aka Lasseiz's Faire was a FYAD lite about politics and a sub forum of D&D. It was closed because prominent LF poster and Chilean self-proclaimed "Anime Marxist" Maggot Master made a post entitled "Goon Project: Let's Kill the President of the United States Barack Obama" as a joke. The Secret Service found out and got Lowtax in trouble. LF was closed and its best posters were permabanned. I have been trying to find a new forum to whitenoise in ever since. Yeah, pretty much nothing will ever come close to LF (or Helldump, for that matter), but I'm kind of okay with that. By the end of LF it had become too full of people who weren't there from the beginning, and it really started to dilute the funny with too much poo poo. I feel bad for people who only saw the end part of it, because the 2008 elections spawned some of the funniest and most insightful threads and comments that I've ever seen.
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A lot of change also likely came from the total failure to respond to the financial meltdown. I was 24 at the time, but it definitely gave me a hard spice to the left.
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HEY GAL posted:Isn't Maggotmaster some kind of Nazi now? Nah they're just a standard tumblr user. Not even in an interesting or unusually bad fashion.
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I am going to love it when Immigration Reform causes the Republican party to start tearing itself apart. Keeping the Tea Party around with their anti-reform stance is going to be wonderful with the rest of the entire republican party that uses the labor. http://www.beefusa.org/ourviewscolumns.aspx?NewsID=2930 Gutiérrez to GOP: 34 days to act on immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2-R-5L8s0o ColoradoCleric fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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paragon1 posted:Next step: Make it legal to kill in defense of another person's fetus. The fetal homicide laws on the books in 20 some states include some definition of fetal personhood, but only as it applies to expanding the definition of "person" in homicide statues to include fetuses. It doesn't expand the definition of "person" to include fetuses for other laws.
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Haha oh god, I had completely forgotten about Voice of Reason. IT'S NOT GERMANE! I know you still have Voice of Reason dot gif. Did you or what's his name have the Voice of Raisin account?
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joeburz posted:Why can't conservatism die a horrible, quick death? Because life is poo poo. I see we still have some LFers left around.
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For being a poo poo posting castoff taken over by semi ironic Maoist third worldists there was a lot if quality educational posting in LF. There were threads covering water shortages and how policy influenced it, the under reported 2008 famine in SEA, modern farming and next generation farming techniques and how they intersected with existing interests and policy, and the "most evil company" thread was incredibly eye opening. The best thread though was the leftist readings of movies, where they explained how Die Hard was actually a communist movie. LF was a thing of beauty. By the time it got shuffled over to forums cancer it was being overrun with poo poo replacing funny and informative. But for a while there it was amazing
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:A lot of change also likely came from the total failure to respond to the financial meltdown. I was 24 at the time, but it definitely gave me a hard spice to the left. Not just the total failure to respond, the years leading up to it went from "Bush lowered taxes, economy good, deficits don't matter" to "house prices are going up but hmm that can't last forever" to "OK we're obviously in a bubble why the hell is nothing being done about it", and that lasted several years (2005-2007). That whole "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" was quite true. The details about CDO's and CDS's and other stuff weren't immediately available but started to come out well before the bubble exploded. Combined with the reality of Iraq, the massive deficit created (and the details of things like the Medicare Drug law), it was like watching a car speeding along a road that looks like it goes straight off a cliff. And then it did. About the only somewhat specific thing I can remember, besides Remedy's couch, Scrubber, and VoR, is that looking back, happyelf was right about most things. I don't remember too much about other resident leftists back then, though.
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We elected Barack H. Obama to expunge eight years' national trauma. When he moved to the right, LF cried out in fright; wanted Chomsky but got Fukuyama.
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Wolfman Nards posted:LF aka Lasseiz's Faire was a FYAD lite about politics and a sub forum of D&D. It was closed because prominent LF poster and Chilean self-proclaimed "Anime Marxist" Maggot Master made a post entitled "Goon Project: Let's Kill the President of the United States Barack Obama" as a joke. The Secret Service found out and got Lowtax in trouble. LF was closed and its best posters were permabanned. I have been trying to find a new forum to whitenoise in ever since. Nah it closed because LF went from calling out lovely people in the real world to calling out lovely people on the forums (worst d&d poster), including mods and admin, the idea being that nobody was off-limits, which obviously didn't sit well with mods/admin. The final straw was making fun of former mod Grover's stupid house using his own posts. Grover had a huge meltdown and that was used as pretext to permaban a bunch of posters and close the subforum. The let's kill the president thing was in FYAD.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:A lot of change also likely came from the total failure to respond to the financial meltdown. I was 24 at the time, but it definitely gave me a hard spice to the left. That's what did it for me. Watching the ultra-rich beg for billions in bailouts, pay themselves huge bonuses for tanking the economy, then turn around and excoriate those who lost their jobs and homes, calling them moochers without any irony finally made me question my Objectivist beliefs about who the makers and the takers really are.
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