FuzzySkinner posted:

I just heard Mike Huckabee on Fox News say...without a trace of irony..

"If Mitt Romeny would have courted the Evangelical/Pro Life/Traditional Values vote more heavily, he would have won the election! 10% of those people stayed home for the election"

...

They really don't get it do they?

FuzzySkinner posted:

I just heard Mike Huckabee on Fox News say...without a trace of irony..

"If Mitt Romeny would have courted the Evangelical/Pro Life/Traditional Values vote more heavily, he would have won the election! 10% of those people stayed home for the election"

...

They really don't get it do they?

agarjogger posted:

This is the most terrifying thing I've ever heard on Fox.
Holy Christ, 90% of those people voted?

agarjogger posted:

This is the most terrifying thing I've ever heard on Fox.
Holy Christ, 90% of those people voted?

FMguru posted:

Yep, and they still lost by several percentage points.

Gotta say I'm all in favor of the GOP responding to changing demographics by thinking that they need to get even whiter and more conservative. Excellent plan guys, can't see how it could possibly fail.

mr. mephistopheles posted:

This combined with learning that political beliefs held early in life generally do not change as people get older and millennials lean liberal by a huge margin is basically what keeps me sane. If conservatives weren't so cartoonishly incompetent and oblivious, I'd probably give up on life altogether. They still manage to hang on by being stupidly filthy loving rich and liberals apparently not knowing that midterm elections are a thing that exists.

mr. mephistopheles posted:

This combined with learning that political beliefs held early in life generally do not change as people get older and millennials lean liberal by a huge margin is basically what keeps me sane. If conservatives weren't so cartoonishly incompetent and oblivious, I'd probably give up on life altogether. They still manage to hang on by being stupidly filthy loving rich and liberals apparently not knowing that midterm elections are a thing that exists.

quote:

Mr. Cantor, meanwhile, is coming under additional fire this week from L. Brent Bozell III, chairman of ForAmerica, who is calling on the Virginia Republican to turn down an invitation to attend a conference hosted by the Republican Main Street Partnership PAC, a group of moderate Republicans that regularly battles conservative groups in primary races.

Mr. Boehner will not attend the event because of a scheduling conflict.

“If your position is that grassroots conservatives and Tea Party supporters no longer belong in the Republican Party then it will permanently destroy any credibility you have left with conservatives,” Mr. Bozell said. “Without conservatives, the GOP will also collapse.”

Mr. Bozell’s comments underscore the feud between some grass-roots groups and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill over spending and the national debt.

FMguru posted:

Yep, and they still lost by several percentage points.

Gotta say I'm all in favor of the GOP responding to changing demographics by thinking that they need to get even whiter and more conservative. Excellent plan guys, can't see how it could possibly fail.

HootTheOwl posted:

But this has been their strategy for the last 20 years and it's only recently not working.
Getting out the base rather than expanding the base has been the GOP MO and one of the reasons for the wall to wall obamascare tactics.

computer parts posted:

If by only recently you mean "10 of the last 18 years".

HootTheOwl posted:

If by only recently I mean "06-10." The Republicans controlled congress from 94-06, took back the house in 2010, and are poised to gain full control again this year.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

They also hang on by rigging the system, which isn't going to be an easy thing to root out. Preventing people from voting, rampant gerrymandering - stuff is all over the place and they aren't going to go down without a dirty, nasty fight.

djent posted:

why not to vote?

djent posted:

yea all this hulabaloo about voter id sure is some crap, why wouldn't we require people to show a photo ID to vote?

you need one to drive, to fly, to enter a federal building, why not to vote?

HootTheOwl posted:

But this has been their strategy for the last 20 years and it's only recently not working.
Getting out the base rather than expanding the base has been the GOP MO and one of the reasons for the wall to wall obamascare tactics.

FMguru posted:

If they want to align themselves with a voting bloc that will literally be dead in 10-20 years at the expense of a larger group of people that will be voting for another 50, I'm certainly not going to stop them.

Paul MaudDib posted:

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

djent posted:

yea all this hulabaloo about voter id sure is some crap, why wouldn't we require people to show a photo ID to vote?

you need one to drive, to fly, to enter a federal building, why not to vote?

djent posted:

yea all this hulabaloo about voter id sure is some crap, why wouldn't we require people to show a photo ID to vote?

you need one to drive, to fly, to enter a federal building, why not to vote?

FMguru posted:

Like mr. meph said, they're blowing off an entire generation of voters - a huge one, one that's even bigger than the Boomers.

quote:

In the good old days of freely existing socialism, a joke was popular among dissidents. A joke used to illustrate the futility of their protests. In 15th century Russia, occupied by Mongols - so goes the joke - a farmer and his wife walk along a dusty country road. A Mongol warrior, on a horse, stops at their side, and tells the farmer he will now rape his wife.

He then states "But since there is a lot of dust on the ground, you should hold my testicles while I am raping your wife so they will not get dusty."

After the Mongol finishes his job and rides away, the farmer starts to laugh and jump with joy. The surprised wife asks him "How can you be jumping with joy when I was just brutally raped?"

The farmer answers, "But I got him! His balls are full of dust!"

This sad joke tells of the predicament of dissidents. They thought they were dealing serious blows to the party nomenklatura, but all they were doing was getting a little bit of dust on the nomenklatura's testicles.

Is today's critical left not all too often in a similar position? We think we are doing something terribly subversive, we are just [hand motion referencing joke]...our task is to discover how to make a step further. Critical leftists have hitherto only dirtied with dust the balls of those in power.

The point is to cut them off.

Don't be too pessimistic here. I claim that if it were done in a proper, peaceful ideological struggle, they will not even be aware of it. They will still shout at us, but all of a sudden, their voices will get higher.

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Once the number of old white men becomes minuscule enough, expect to see the GOP do an about face on most or some racial issues and hope everyone just forgets their policies from fifty years or so prior. There's a huge market of FYGM-minded people who aren't old white men to tap into. Hell, if they simply agreed to support a Student Loan Forgiveness Act and get over their hatred of non-rich young people for just two seconds, they could easily slow or even reverse their decline. Unfortunately, that would mean: 1) The FEDDLE GUBMINT doing a thing and 2) Moochers getting free stuff, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Typical Pubbie posted:

Warcabbit posted:

(I have nothing but sympathy for Hillary, in regards to her semi-involuntary reaction to having a random object thrown at her. It's still a funny dance)

ProperGanderPusher posted:

There's a huge market of FYGM-minded people who aren't old white men to tap into.

fade5 posted:

Yeah, even though I like Hillary, throwing random items at people (as long is said object is dodged) is funny slapstick in general. It was funny with Bush, it was funny with Hillary, it's funny in classic Looney Tunes cartoons, it's funny in the Three Stooges, it's just funny in general.

NY Times posted:

Mr. Maliki’s security agents jumped on the man, wrestled him to the floor and hustled him out of the room. They kicked him and beat him until “he was crying like a woman,” said Mohammed Taher, a reporter for Afaq, a television station owned by the Dawa Party, which is led by Mr. Maliki. Mr. Zaidi was then detained on unspecified charges.

Other Iraqi journalists in the front row apologized to Mr. Bush, who was uninjured and tried to brush off the incident by making a joke. “All I can report is it is a size 10,” he said, continuing to take questions and noting the apologies. He also called the incident a sign of democracy, saying, “That’s what people do in a free society, draw attention to themselves,” as the man’s screaming could be heard outside.

computer parts posted:

[citation needed]

At least for non-white people.

fade5 posted:

Yeah, even though I like Hillary, throwing random items at people (as long is said object is dodged) is funny slapstick in general. It was funny with Bush, it was funny with Hillary, it's funny in classic Looney Tunes cartoons, it's funny in the Three Stooges, it's just funny in general.