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feedmegin posted:To be fair, in the case of radar tech in particular and some other areas (like the atom bomb!), the US got a lot of free help/classified technology from the UK that Japan didn't get from Germany. Japan scored some early British sets from I want to say, the invasion of Singapore.
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Fangz posted:... Most squaddies in the British Army are scumbags? Uh... did you get lost on the way to D&D? Scumbag is a synonym for chav here, not using whatever the american/ english meaning is, but in real terms the army is still made up from the dregs of the empire, just not the irish dregs. Disproportionately welsh and working class and so on. But then of course I would have to admit bias given the war crimes committed by the British army against my compatriots. I will retract and apologise though given it is a wide statement that may be unquantifiable and probably slanders some very good people. It doesn't change the fact that Britain idolises the other, less deserving members of HMs forces and I'm curious as to why societies idolises people who quite literally have shot children.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Words fail me, aside from the obvious I apologise for phrasing it in such a manner and appreciate the obvious ignorance it conveys. I should have said a not insignificant proportion. edit: not accus7ng any BA member of shooting a child btw, I said societies, not just britain. up the ra.
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Koramei posted:Are you trying to provoke an argument or what? It's a necessary topic to go over but you opened that in pretty much the worst way you possibly could have. Having apologised twice for doing just that I would hope it can be accepted that I do not intend to start a fight, in fact I'm looking to avail of your expertise invthis thread in identifying good source material, not hurr durr I love sinn fein and the taleban.
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You sound drunk as poo poo; go away and ask again tomorrow.
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I'm not a British Army apologist, but how did you think that referring to the working class (and ethnic minorities) as "scumbags" and "dregs" would make you look?
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raverrn posted:Does anybody have any good recommendations for books (preferably audio, but print'll do as well) about the Pacific theatre? Mostly I'm looking for boat stuff. Individual battles as well as an overview here and there - I just finished 1941: Contdown to Infamy and now I'm kinda curious. "With the Old Breed" is a memoir from a Marine in WWII. It was one of the sources used in the Pacific miniseries from HBO a couple years ago.
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Koramei posted:You sound drunk as poo poo; go away and ask again tomorrow. I just wondered if anybody had any good recommendations to read on the topic, I used a loaded term, seriously, get over it. God forbid somebody generalises about a force of working class britons with a long standing record of morally dubious conduct.
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He sounds pretty drat offensive, this coming from a working class non scumbag and chav. Also, thanks for calling my living relatives child killers! you clearly have a firm grasp on the situation when it comes to The Troubles. Seriously back on topic now, I'm looking for something out of the norm when it comes to the Napoleonic/Revolutionary Wars and the Austrian-Hungarian focused stuff might scratch that itch. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:He sounds pretty drat offensive, this coming from a working class non scumbag and chav. Also, thanks for calling my living relatives child killers!
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SeanBeansShako posted:He sounds pretty drat offensive, this coming from a working class non scumbag and chav. Also, thanks for calling my living relatives child killers! you clearly have a firm grasp on the situation when it comes to The Troubles.  (You of all people should be used to people calling British soldiers the scum of the earth.)quote:Seriously back on topic now, I'm looking for something out of the norm when it comes to the Napoleonic/Revolutionary Wars and the Austrian-Hungarian focused stuff might scratch that itch.
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Holy goddamn, that is even better.
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Reffering to the working class ( and as pointed out minorities) by a term that denotes 'lowest in society', I.e. dregs. Of course this makes me the reincarnation of thatcher. I would like to apologise for both inferring and stating in baseless terms that squaddies are mostly scumbags, dregs, anything else and similalry that working class equals bad. I am sorrymfor coming accross this way it wasn't my intention and I will shut my mouth and not continue making an rear end of myself. AdmiralSmeggins fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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AdmiralSmeggins posted:Reffering to the working class ( and as pointed out minorities) by a term that denotes 'lowest in society', I.e. dregs. Of course this makes me the reincarnation of thatcher.
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HEY GAL posted:You're not supposed to sign your posts in SA. He already knows that, because he was probated for doing that earlier in this very thread. Smeggins, please stop posting.
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Koramei posted:Are you trying to provoke an argument or what? It's a necessary topic to go over but you opened that in pretty much the worst way you possibly could have. I had the impression you supported inserting politics into history, even to the point of dismissing evidence contrary to the desired political objective. Certainly, the political motive behind AdmiralSmeggins statements are transparent enough. Oh if you're still interested in Japanese perspectives on world war ii, you might like this article on the occupation of Japan: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Mark-McLelland/3827 It's not strictly military history, in fact its about the sexual politics of post war Japan. But still it provides an interesting window into the agenda of Japanese leaders under the occupation. quote:as we will see, sexuality continued to be highly regulated and supervised, albeit in different ways and with different goals in mind. The Japanese authorities fully expected that the incoming Americans would behave in the same rapacious manner as had their own forces when they advanced across China and were determined to put in place measures to protect the purity of Japanese women. The US administration, on the other hand, rather than viewing their troops as sexual predators, tended to see these young men as “clean, innocent and vulnerable” and in danger of “having their morals corrupted and their health destroyed” by “shameless Japanese women.”3 The policies that the Allies enacted were intended to protect their own troops’ physical wellbeing, with scant regard paid to their effects on Japanese women and society.
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AdmiralSmeggins posted:I'm fairly certain I clarified the child killer remark. You clarified nothing. I can't even figure out what you're asking for. Go away.
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He's asking for texts which validate his views of British soldiers as walking Geneva violations. Gosh you guys stop making assumptions and stop being so intolerant 
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How rigid are the Geneva conventions and in a sorta historic context how well have they been upheld in the past?
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Boiled Water posted:How rigid are the Geneva conventions and in a sorta historic context how well have they been upheld in the past? I'd like to know this; it seems like the only time it's brought up is when someone is violating those pesky rules.
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Good morning thread. 21 new messages. Surely something interesting happened? Well, my squaddies *were* the sediment of our society. Not that they were babykillers or rapists, but interesting. I was the only one in 400 men who had high school education (above). These guys couldn't even read properly and within 2 weeks I knew where the best gambling dens, brothels and whores in town were without even being there (really!). Our drillseargent and all the other ncos were the same. First day in uniform, on the parade ground, the drill seargant thundered: "AP HEUTE SEIT IHR.......SOLTATEN!" (he didn't know how to pronouce the words correctly. God, that was so funny and scary.) He was divorced, earned shitloads of money by being sent to the Golan every now and then and spent it all on hookers and booze. He looked like Rutger Hauer in this picture  That person had a certain quality and feel, you could imagine him being a mercenary captain in the 30yw. It would fit perfectly. It was really spectacular, because apparently while growing up in *the* working class part of town, I was completely missing out the alternative reality that those guys were living in. Our education system seperates kids after elementary school, from then on the experience will differ dramatically. People will treat you like poo poo if they think that you just had vocational training. A sobering experience. The other platoon that was in the same barrack with us consisted mostly of migrants (read: brown people and slavs) had constant exercises or poo poo tasks as punishment, because their didn't keep order, were talking back or pulled pranks on each other. I kind of wonder if they would have been treated correctly if they were locals? Oh yes, and somebody shat on a toilet tank in the last night of basic training. What a great idea. Apparently he did some shaky balancing and fell into his own poop. I was told that this happens every time. Either in the lavatories, a trashcan or the corridor. Another dude was so drunk that he pissed in the middle of their room and then tried to wipe it with his uniform.
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JaucheCharly posted:It was really spectacular, because apparently while growing up in *the* working class part of town, I was completely missing out the alternative reality that those guys were living in. Our education system seperates kids after elementary school, from then on the experience will differ dramatically. People will treat you like poo poo if they think that you just had vocational training. A sobering experience. The second reason why is that I've been to your neighborhood, and I thought it was rather "street," or as street as it's possible for an Austrian to be. Edit: Also, I've read a bunch of people who talk exactly like that. It's not "incorrect" if whole hordes of people do it, according to linguists. Edit 2: Most of the 30YW mercenary captains I've read are well educated enough to write like assholes, Baroque syntax flopping around everywhere on the page and Latin every other word. It's the lieutenants and under who are less well educated, which means I can understand them. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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Ha yes, but our "street" is a joke. I've never been mugged my entire life. The old prole ways are gone and now you have turkish and balkan subculture here. It's like a holiday resort where you can buy kebap at every corner or get a new haircut from Batu, not comparable with notorious parts of Berlin or Paris. Occasionally I see american tourists here and wonder what they're thinking of it. Walking home here at night is most likely safer than they will ever be in their best parts at home. We don't have people here that smoke meth and eat dogs/rats (I'm looking at you, Bratislava). Heroine is big again I think. When I go to work, there's always a crowd of junkies outside the pharmacy where they pick up their methadone. Occasionally you can see somebody passed out in the subway. A french girlfriend once told me that she can't believe how orderly and clean everything is here, "even your hobos are cleaner". It's so loving clean and new in there, they even have a seperate counter for that in the pharmacy where a robot arm picks up the order and gets it to the clerk. That, ladies and gentlemen is the future. HEY GAL posted:Edit: Also, I've read a bunch of people who talk exactly like that. It's not "incorrect" if whole hordes of people do it, according to linguists. You're lurking in the German thread again, admit it. Oh, and I meant Sergeant. Captain is Hauptmann, right? I still can't believe that there is anybody reading baroque *german* texts on his/her own free will. We had that at school, some is ok and easy like Grimmelshausen and Gryphius, but other works are completely impossible to read. What I actually wanted to post: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/world/europe/satellites-show-russia-mobilizing-near-ukraine-nato-says.html?ref=world&_r=0 And then something else from Syria, where somebody got his hands on a TOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVuPrIuYDAI Are these easy to operate? Like, read the manual and knock out a tank? Power Khan fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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JaucheCharly posted:Occasionally I see american tourists here and wonder what they're thinking of it. quote:You're lurking in the German thread again, admit it. Oh, and I meant Sergeant. Captain is Hauptmann, right? I still can't believe that there is anybody reading baroque *german* texts on his/her own free will. We had that at school, some is ok and easy like Grimmelshausen and Gryphius, but other works are completely impossible to read. Captain is Hauptmann. Do you mean Feldwebel? It's of my own free will but people also pay me. And it's not very bad; reading Oedipus Rex and Plato in undergraduate prepared me for people who think word order is optional and that declension endings can carry the whole thing.
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JaucheCharly posted:First day in uniform, on the parade ground, the drill seargant thundered: "AP HEUTE SEIT IHR.......SOLTATEN!" (he didn't know how to pronouce the words correctly. God, that was so funny and scary.) You are so lucky I'm on a phone or else you would get such a talking to in phonetically transcribed Bavarian.
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DTIC has some really neat stuff in it, like this metallurgical analysis of a Japanese samurai sword.
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Xiahou Dun posted:You are so lucky I'm on a phone or else you would get such a talking to in phonetically transcribed Bavarian. He could only speak heavy dialect, but there he tried high german. It was comical, as if he'd try to speak another language that he wasn't familiar with. Btw, I found this on mughal warfare. Might be an interesting read: https://www.academia.edu/3795135/Mughal_Warfare_1495-1612_Modalities_Logistics_and_Geography Power Khan fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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JaucheCharly posted:He could only speak heavy dialect, but there he tried high german. It was comical, as if he'd try to speak another language that he wasn't familiar with. But please do not encourage Xiahou Dun. JaucheCharly posted:Feldwebel it is, but the older word is different? HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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The guy who hates squaddies is being unfair but let's take a moment here to remember that some people have a way less detached view of war and violence than prevails in this thread. If he has occupying forces fighting in the town where he lives how could he not think "hey gently caress these people" at some point? It's a little more personal than arguing about which battleships could beat each other.
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swamp waste posted:The guy who hates squaddies is being unfair but let's take a moment here to remember that some people have a way less detached view of war and violence than prevails in this thread. If he has occupying forces fighting in the town where he lives how could he not think "hey gently caress these people" at some point? It's a little more personal than arguing about which battleships could beat each other. I can totally sympathise that some people have a very negative view of certain armed forces, but really this thread is not the right place to provoke a giant flame war about it.
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swamp waste posted:The guy who hates squaddies is being unfair but let's take a moment here to remember that some people have a way less detached view of war and violence than prevails in this thread. If he has occupying forces fighting in the town where he lives how could he not think "hey gently caress these people" at some point? It's a little more personal than arguing about which battleships could beat each other. I think you are being far too reasonable. If we accepted your proposition he would have to be a time traveler from the late twentieth century. Or Admiralsmeggins was a small child at the time of the troubles. If he was a bit more particular with his complaints about the British Army I might take him seriously. As an Englishman the actions of the parachute regiment 1st battalion in derry particularly sicken me. Infact, the whole colonial british empire stuff upsets me, but he needs to be a bit more specific in his hatred than squaddies.
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swamp waste posted:The guy who hates squaddies is being unfair but let's take a moment here to remember that some people have a way less detached view of war and violence than prevails in this thread. If he has occupying forces fighting in the town where he lives how could he not think "hey gently caress these people" at some point? It's a little more personal than arguing about which battleships could beat each other.
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To bring the thread back on track, I believe the GBS has found the ultimate answer to the question of "how would the war turn out if Gay Black Hitler"
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steinrokkan posted:To bring the thread back on track, I believe the GBS has found the ultimate answer to the question of "how would the war turn out if Gay Black Hitler" OperationSeaLion.jpg
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MrYenko posted:OperationSeaLion.jpg There would only be one sailboat and the soldiers would be wading instead of on horseback but otherwise a pretty accurate rendition of how sealion would've gone down.
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