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quote:"gently caress meaningful sacrifice." Like most of the rest of the book, actually.
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HorseRenoir posted:What is it about metal that attracts sperglords? I've never seen punk or hip-hop fans as anal and dorky as metalheads. They might not be as dorky but hip hop fans can be huge loving dipshits, too. Check out any given song on Rap Genius and be amazed at the amount of asinine bitching.
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"KGB"
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Maremidon posted:I have no idea and we are not the ones to question it. quote:This site seems full of cutesy anime fanboys, utter perverts (lolicon is basically pedophilia) and people who fetishize EVERYTHING. I like the listing of tropes but when you're writing 50 pages about Super Robot Wars I start to get scared. Thanks to this site I'm planning to avoid modern anime Ninjasaurus posted:Well, I guess our work here is done.
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HorseRenoir posted:What is it about metal that attracts sperglords? I've never seen punk or hip-hop fans as anal and dorky as metalheads. I sometimes feel kind of bad for metal bands that have been touring for decades and can remember playing for 1980s crowds of drunken rowdy rednecks and hairprayed libertine young women (you know, the Heavy Metal Parking Lot crowd) and now they look out from their stage and see a roomful of be-hatted tropers and scattered old people.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:
I like Afghanistan, Amerika, Samovar, Chechnya and... Well, all the other ones that English either borrowed or lent. Thank God we have a translation in two alphabets.
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Tunicate posted:The complaint is that it isn't meaningful, it was contrived and lovely. Yeah that last book was just bullshit. It's funny that the series became just as obnoxiously messagey as Narnia did towards the end.
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The guy who was complaining that Lord of the Flies "stunk of every bad castaway film and book he's ever known" doesn't realize that time is unidirectional, and therefore William Golding was not ripping off that Tom Hanks movie where he talks to the volleyball, does he? He was probably just offended by "Sucks to yer assmar " and other attacks on ur-Troper characters.
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Pedoshit:Jailbait Discussion posted:Do we need another trope for when a very evident minor girl acts or dress as she was a jailbait, and maybe she really belive she can be that (even thought her perception of male-x-female relationship is still bound to fairy tales), but she just results in being ridiculus or, in the best cases, just hilariously cute? Former sample Jesus Christ. The Jailbait Wait Discussion posted:Wanted to put this under real life example but there is none on the Main Page. My friend, who is a girl, has a chart for when she'll be of legal age because she's been dating her boyfriend for two years. And the chart marks every month for another (well, now it's a year) until she'll be sixteen and can legally have sex with her boyfriend. I dunno, seems like shitthatdidnthappen.txt to me. Ephebophile posted:A person sexually attracted to late-adolescent minors. Not to be confused with (and it invariably will be) a pedophile, who is attracted to prepubescent minors (or hebephile, who is attracted to early adolescent minors). Partly this is because pedophiles like to use this term to defend themselves by deliberately blurring the lines between discussion of pedophilia and issues relating to age of consent (see also Lolicon/Shotacon). loving pedophiles. They were pedophiles, Dude? Oh, come on, Donny. They were using the term "ephebophile"! Uh-huh. Are we gonna split hairs here? No. Am I wrong? Legal Jail Bait posted:There are Moe characters whose youth and innocence attract a fanbase of sexual lust in spite of an author's intentions and then there are characters who are meant to appeal to Lolicon tastes. That's what we call paedopandering and it is a bad thing. Dollars to donuts this page was rewritten because of Google. Legal Jail Bait Discussion posted:Article says "and it's a bad thing.", "(poorly)" and "tenuous". These are at the very least questionable assertions and, more disturbingly, are attempts at cultural imperialism. They should be removed. The part I bolded literally made me laugh out loud. quote:Generally agreed, this is a fairly complex subject not made any less complex by differing laws about how far it can be taken, so it should be handled carefully and neutrally. If TV Tropes really is not about bashing media, then these words violate that policy. quote:Thirded. TV tropes is about describing things, not making judgemental or argumentative statements, and while certainly it's nice for articles to have some humor about them, they should maintain a certain amount of neutrality on the subject being described, rather than being a harsh opinion. quote:Still there. Can this article please be deleted instead of pushing someones personal agenda in a locked state? Only pedophiles would call the wording in that article "a harsh opinion" that is "pushing someones personal agenda". Jailbait, Anime/Manga posted:
What the gently caress is up with naked sexualized 14 year olds in anime? Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water posted:Ms. Fanservice: Nadia is Ambiguously Brown, spends the majority of her screen time in a Stripperiffic circus costume (which includes a loincloth), and is quite nubile for a fourteen-year-old girl. Plus, she's an agile acrobat. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, YMMV posted:Memetic Sex Goddess: Nadia: caramel complexion, acrobatic, wears a stripperiffic circus costume that includes a loincloth, and is quite nubile despite being only 14. Someone certainly has a type. And to end with something that isn't pedoshit but still classic tvtropes: Gratuitous Japanese, Real Life posted:Japan, but it's not considered "Gratuitous" there.
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Why do they insist on calling a 14 year old anime character nubile?
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Testekill posted:Why do they insist on calling a 14 year old anime character nubile? Ephebophile defense.
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SodomyGoat101 posted:Ephebophile defense. Baka! Being attracted to 14 year old anime characters makes you a hebephile. Also... Baka Discussion posted:T Vtropes just needs a Japan equivalent for Otakus and Japanese culture enthusiasts. It seems like any popular Japanese term is getting or has gotten it's own page at one point. It's a epidemic...
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That reminded me of something. TvTropes has a page called SoCalization, which describes the way Hollywood writers often make things in other parts of the U.S. work the same way they do in Los Angeles, when that's not necessarily the case. For example, 187 is not a universal murder code, though it's very well known as a synonym for murder because of this and West Coast rappers. Guess what one of the longest sections is about?quote:A teenager will always be "legal" at the age of 18, as if this is the age of consent for the entire country. In reality, that's not even close to the truth. Each state has its own age of consent, and only eleven of them have it at 18, California being one of them. It's 16 in most of them (thirty) and 17 in the others. Also, most states have exceptions if both are younger than the age of consent, or one is at it but the other is slightly below; California, however, has no close-in-age exemptions at all. Also, it is a federal offense in the United States to take a minor across state lines for the purpose of engaging in sexual intercourse.
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Young Freud posted:You're talking about "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?", right? And, before anyone says that's wrong, that's the whole point. "Think of a number, any number".
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Oh poo poo I finally found a trope that actually has an analysis page! I wish I hadn't.
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Alpha3KV posted:I'm sure all of this was included just for the sake of accuracy and without any kind of ulterior motive whatsoever. So basically this? http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-knows-unsettling-amount-about-nationwide-ageof,3716/
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Djeser posted:It's easier to be gay than to be asexual. Being gay means you're socially and politically marginalized for your relationship status. Being asexual means sometimes people make fun of you on the internet. So, y'know, gays should be glad they're not asexual. best part is that the whole point of the movie is Steve Carell's character is the most well-adjusted and mature of his friends
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Soulcleaver posted:Oh poo poo I finally found a trope that actually has an analysis page! Also, if that analysis makes (to use TVTropes classification) "Type A Tsundere" sound like they have mental or emotional problems, that's because in the real world a "Type A Tsundere" would probably be diagnosed as having a mild form of "Borderline Personality Disorder". Wikipedia posted:People with BPD can be very sensitive to the way others treat them, feeling intense joy and gratitude at perceived expressions of kindness, and intense sadness or anger at perceived criticism or hurtfulness. Their feelings about others often shift from positive to negative after a disappointment, a perceived threat of losing someone, or a perceived loss of esteem in the eyes of someone they value. This phenomenon, sometimes called splitting or black-and-white thinking, includes a shift from idealizing others (feeling admiration and love) to devaluing them (feeling anger or dislike). Combined with mood disturbances, idealization and devaluation can undermine relationships with family, friends, and co-workers. Self-image can also change rapidly from positive to negative. fade5 fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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This is what TvTropes thinks "analysis" means:Analysis: Role-Playing Games posted:The following is a list of the basic play features of the typical RPG video game, mostly of the Eastern type. It includes playing tips. Note that each game is unique and will almost always include features besides the ones listed here: We are an academic literary analysis website, as evidenced by our insightful observation that RPG's often have dungeons where you can fight stuff. e: Also this: Analysis: Buffy the Vampire Slayer posted:The ultimate description of Buffy The Vampire Slayer is its own title e2: Ninjasaurus posted:Please tell me that's just someone copying and pasting an online video game instruction manual and not actually writing an enormous amount of "Oh my god I don't care" bullshit. I tried Googling a bit of its text, but the only other hit was the TvTropes "How to Play a Console RPG" page, which is identical. Because "RPG's often contain magic" was such important information that it needed to be posted in two separate places. It's not like writing that wall of text up is out of character for tropers; after all, making an endless disjointed list of meaningless isolated things that sometimes happen in media is TvTropes' mission statement. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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fade5 posted:God, all the tropespeak on that page is grating as hell to read. Ironically, that's actually a fairly accurate analysis of Tsundere, and it really is a good example of an (unfortunately common) anime trope. See, your post is by far more insightful and interesting than all the and in that tvtropes "analysis". Lottery of Babylon posted:This is what TvTropes thinks "analysis" means: Please tell me that's just someone copying and pasting an online video game instruction manual and not actually writing an enormous amount of "Oh my god I don't care" bullshit.
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The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Analysis page is great. The first half of it is about how the title of the show is really deep because the word "the" is in the title, and "the" is singular, and Buffy is the only slayer except for the parts where there are other slayers. It's pointless and sophomoric but mostly just boring and unremarkable. But the second half is this:Analysis: Buffy the Vampire Slayer posted:Slayer self defense I... I really don't understand what they're going for here. Are they really complaining that the vampire slayer granted super-vampire-slaying-powers to slay vampires is using them to slay vampires instead of keeping her head down and letting everyone else die? As much as I hate to agree with the shallow "The ultimate description of Buffy The Vampire Slayer is its own title" first half of the analysis page, it really is right there in the title: you hunt vampires to kill them, not to avoid fighting them. I'm used to TvTropes failing at analysis but this is something else. This is a complete failure to have even the slightest hint of a grasp on the basic narrative at even the most simple, fundamental level. How do you do that? (And did Buffy even have in it? I must have missed that part.)
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fade5 posted:
Very, considering my sister has it. And I hate to ask (mostly because I don't give a rat's rear end about it), but would "Type B Tsundere" (where you go from nice to mean) be bipolar disorder?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:(And did Buffy even have in it? I must have missed that part.) There was an attempted rape in the sixth season, and some guys tried to use mind control to make a woman sleep with them and she called them out as rapist in uh... I think the sixth season, too. Why do I remember this
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FrozenVent posted:some guys tried to use mind control to make a woman sleep with them and she called them out as rapist in uh... I think the sixth season, too. Oh, yeah, I remember this one now. Still, it doesn't really fit with what the Analysis page was talking about. Based on what the Analysis page seems to say, Buffy should have been revenge-raped by serial rapists as revenge for foiling their previous rapes and this is the worst sentence I've ever typed. Penny Paper posted:Very, considering my sister has it. And I hate to ask (mostly because I don't give a rat's rear end about it), but would "Type B Tsundere" (where you go from nice to mean) be bipolar disorder? No, my brother is bipolar and bipolar disorder is nothing even remotely like this tsundere stuff. Bipolar isn't about switching between nice and mean like an anime character, it's about switching between manic and depressed (with the manic part being much more dangerous despite being feeling more fun at the time). Bipolar episodes often last a long time and it can take months to switch between states (you're considered "rapid-cycling" if you have more than four episodes in a year), whereas anime characters switch in seconds. They're not even remotely related unless you abstract it out to the level of "has two states". Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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FrozenVent posted:There was an attempted rape in the sixth season, and some guys tried to use mind control to make a woman sleep with them and she called them out as rapist in uh... I think the sixth season, too. The attempted rape was that completely out of character and retarded scene with Spike and Buffy in the bathroom. I recall reading somewhere that Sarah Michelle Gellar not only hated filming the scene but also hated that it was even written in the first place. I think it was quickly inserted into the episode because by that point Spike was so popular that the fans had apparently forgotten he was still evil so of course the best way to show that was (It was not the best way to show that.)
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fade5 posted:God, all the tropespeak on that page is grating as hell to read. Ironically, that's actually a fairly accurate analysis of Tsundere, and it really is a good example of an (unfortunately common) anime trope. What's with Japanimine's fascination with Tsunderes? It's like a really creepy and horrifying version of video game's obsession with every RPG hero having plot-twist-hiding amnesia.
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By default, I almost wanna say it was Evangelion (more specifically Asuka, who had a... complicated relationship with Shinji, the protagonist), but my gut's telling me there's probably something that comes before that.
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Byde posted:What's with Japanimine's fascination with Tsunderes? It's not that they're rejecting you, they just don't know how to deal with their overpowering attraction for you!
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If Wikipedia is to be believed, it goes all the way back to Lum, from Urusei Yatsura. Which I guess says a lot, if the basis for Tsundere is a psychotic alien from a slapstick manga where much of the humor comes from the characters being terrible, terrible people.
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Regalingualius posted:By default, I almost wanna say it was Evangelion (more specifically Asuka, who had a... complicated relationship with Shinji, the protagonist) If that is the case (and it could very well be), I find it pretty hilarious that a relationship dynamic that was obviously unhealthy, and the product of mental illness, has become normalized into an anime cliché. (To elaborate, Asuka hates Shinji because all of her self-worth is tied up in her skill as an Eva pilot, and Shinji is an objectively better pilot despite not giving a poo poo. But she also wants his attention, because she has a compulsive need for attention brought on by the circumstances of her mother's death, and she seeks attention through aggressively flirting with him. Shinji hates Asuka because he doesn't get why she hates him, and there's also a hint that he resents her flirtation because he wants to reciprocate it, but is too afraid of rejection. But, he's also a lonely, hormonal teenage boy, and basically incapable of not falling in love with every woman he sees. Their relationship is possibly the most dysfunctional in Evangelion, and that's saying something.)
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Byde posted:What's with Japanimine's fascination with Tsunderes? It's like a really creepy and horrifying version of video game's obsession with every RPG hero having plot-twist-hiding amnesia. Do you really think "character who acts mean but actually loves/likes other character" only exists in Japan or something? poo poo there's one right in Hey Arnold. Or like a third of all the crappy soap operas and sitcoms out there.
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poo poo Calvin's "girlfriend" from Calvin and Hobbes probably qualify.
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It's because it implies innocence and naiveté, that's why you see it invoked with kids so much. The girl has feelings, but doesn't know how to express them, and she can't express them directly, for various cultural reasons (this last part is particularly important in Japan). When it comes to finding it attractive in a sexual or romantic sense, having the character react that way invokes the idea of passion and strong desire, without sullying them with actual honest sexual expression, so that they can remain chaste and ignorant. Tropers and Japanese otaku like it for the same reason they like every other cute infantile thing: because they fetishize innocence and purity.
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FrozenVent posted:poo poo Calvin's "girlfriend" from Calvin and Hobbes probably qualify. Susie and Calvin are also six years old and six year olds pick on people that they like because they think that's what they're supposed to do.
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Is Calvin an ephebophile? My thousand word post on the Calvin & Hobbes analysis page explores this thorny issue -- and so much more.
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Byde posted:What's with Japanimine's fascination with Tsunderes? It's like a really creepy and horrifying version of video game's obsession with every RPG hero having plot-twist-hiding amnesia. I'm not an expert (thank God), but I presume it's at least partially rooted in the desire to prolong conflict in romance plots even when the characters involved are obviously attracted to one another. "Characters A and B are attracted to each other, but A is emotionally conflicted/otherwise hostile, so B has to win A over before they can act on their shared feelings" is way more of a scaffolding to support a story than "Characters A and B are attracted to each other and are both functional human beings, they enter into a relationship and it's pretty solid," even if you have to create extremely irritating, implausible personality disorders with which to do it. Sure, there are other conflicts that can keep a romance plot interesting, but, y'know, plausible and sympathetic conflicts are hard to write, and most anime is hackwork, so the tsundere dynamic is an easy well to draw from.
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I just assume it has to do with the crazy popularity of Rumiko Takahashi's work spawning a jillion imitators, and people who grew up with those imitators' works creating their own stuff using the character types.
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Susie gets annoyed when Calvin runs a Get Rid Of Slimy Girls club, let me explain why this means she has an anime brain diseasePuppy Time posted:I just assume it has to do with the crazy popularity of Rumiko Takahashi's work spawning a jillion imitators, and people who grew up with those imitators' works creating their own stuff using the character types. This is a big part of it. A lot of anime, especially the sort of anime where you're all but guaranteed to see tsunderes, is in a very similar position to American superhero comics where it's very creatively inbred and is mainly written by aging fans for other aging fans. Swan Oat posted:My thousand word post on the Calvin & Hobbes analysis page Don't be ridiculous, Calvin & Hobbes doesn't have an analysis page. That would just be silly. Calvin & Hobbes: The Series does, though. Analysis: Calvin & Hobbes: The Series (which is a fanfic pretending to be a tv show) posted:Shout Outs Wow this sounds like a really great and well-written television show I mean fanfic I'm so glad we analyzed it so well. Calvin & Hobbes: The
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Install Windows posted:Do you really think "character who acts mean but actually loves/likes other character" only exists in Japan or something? poo poo there's one right in Hey Arnold. Or like a third of all the crappy soap operas and sitcoms out there. Helga of Hey Arnold, Faye of Questionable Content and Dr. Cox of Scrubs are all mentioned as Western examples. All three of those characters are sent to therapy at some point.
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A dude is a magicianquote:
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