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Vodos posted:If you're an emperor, declare war on the actual pope to install your antipope as pope. You'll end up with a vassal pope and you can abuse the poo poo out of him by claiming titles left and right since he can't refuse your requests. I think you also get a portion of his income based on your church taxes. Crap, I'm only a king. What now?
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Gort posted:Crap, I'm only a king. What now? You can still install him as pope, he just won't be your vassal. I'm actually not sure how to get rid of an antipope once you have one, possibly by switching back to the papal investiture law?
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Apr 15, 2014 10:46
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Strudel Man posted:It's kind of strange, because it's not clear why the muslim empires are so stable compared to others, given that they mostly operate under the same rules. Sayyid is, what, +10 or so? I guess between that, Hajjaj, and Haifez/Fiqh, you can get something like +30 to vassal opinion. Which is not inconsiderable but I've only ever seen all three on player rulers. Mutazilite/Ashari might contribute, but the malus for opposing schools is huge.
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Apr 15, 2014 10:51
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Vodos posted:You can still install him as pope, he just won't be your vassal. I'm actually not sure how to get rid of an antipope once you have one, possibly by switching back to the papal investiture law? Luckily I have a save from before the antipope creation. Sounds like more trouble than they're worth before you're an Emperor.
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Apr 15, 2014 11:08
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All bishops who like your antipope better than the pop pay their taxes to him, and he pays his taxes to you.  !Inside Outside posted:That was probably me. I just tried subscribing to a bunch of new workshop mods, booted the game up, and restarted a couple of times. The new mods didn't show up in the launcher and all the old ones cause CK2 to crash on startup. The content menu is grayed out too. Dunno, what's up with that, but I picked a few more at random: Shattered world, Your personal castle, Your own bloodline, and they all work correctly. If you're sure the modder has re-published their mod since the patch and it doesn't load, let me which ones you are trying -but if it is the mod itself which is broken I can't help with that. Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Apr 15, 2014 11:17
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Vodos posted:Playing plain old orthodox Byz, I think I screwed up by mending the schism before crusades were enabled. I didn't get any holy orders when the the crusade event fired, would I have gotten them if I had waited until after crusades? Orthodox holy orders are independent of crusades. To get your one holy order, the counties Antioch and Jerusalem must be held by Orthodox characters and must be converted to Orthodox Christianity.
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Apr 15, 2014 12:10
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Torrannor posted:Orthodox holy orders are independent of crusades. To get your one holy order, the counties Antioch and Jerusalem must be held by Orthodox characters and must be converted to Orthodox Christianity.
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Apr 15, 2014 12:22
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Vodos posted:I thought that holy orders go to the newly dominant religion when a religion becomes a heresy, is that not the case for Catholic/Orthodox? Huh, that's actually a good question. I think it doesn't work that way for the Catholic/Orthodox split, since they are not originally parent religion and heresy, but I don't know exactly. The normal Orthodox holy order is the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre by the way.
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Apr 15, 2014 13:00
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With all this talk of antipopes, does anyone have any good advice for making a heresy stick, and surviving the backlash?
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Apr 15, 2014 13:52
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Anticheese posted:With all this talk of antipopes, does anyone have any good advice for making a heresy stick, and surviving the backlash? Conquer all lands of your faith and convert all your vassals? If you play a Catholic heresy, Great Britain is a great defensive position.
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Apr 15, 2014 14:05
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Anticheese posted:With all this talk of antipopes, does anyone have any good advice for making a heresy stick, and surviving the backlash? Wait until you have a high diplo ruler with a fat bank and a nice long reign bonus, then convert and demand conversion from your immediate vassals. It should go pretty smoothly, unless you've just given some neighbouring superpower a nice shiny holy war CB to whack you with.
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Autonomous Monster posted:Wait until you have a high diplo ruler with a fat bank and a nice long reign bonus, then convert and demand conversion from your immediate vassals. It should go pretty smoothly, unless you've just given some neighbouring superpower a nice shiny holy war CB to whack you with. I feel like you'd have to get rid of the HRE somehow to accomplish this. The more I play the game the more I loving hate that gigantic grey blob. Come on Kaiser, just let me conquer France without immediately taking it from me and can I have just one single goddamned ruler that isn't excommunicated permanently? poo poo man, we were total bros through all those crusades, why do you hate me now?
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Apr 15, 2014 15:13
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Can someone remind me again why we are paying $15 for the same DLC over and over? I'm trying to justify my purchase of Rajas outside of just seeing the Indian subcontinent and I can't do it. The religions are garbage and unfun and less feature filled than vanilla.
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Apr 15, 2014 15:47
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Toadsniff posted:Can someone remind me again why we are paying $15 for the same DLC over and over? I'm trying to justify my purchase of Rajas outside of just seeing the Indian subcontinent and I can't do it. The religions are garbage and unfun and less feature filled than vanilla. Well then don't buy it? No one is forcing you to.
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If you people want some Jarls of India action, I made an improved version of Blarghasts thing. It's so small I was able to attach it in the proper thread, so get it there. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?768000-MOD-Jarls-of-India&p=17248602&viewfull=1#post17248602 Here's the additional features/changes to Blarghast's initial release. code:
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Apr 15, 2014 16:31
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Strudel Man posted:It's kind of strange, because it's not clear why the muslim empires are so stable compared to others, given that they mostly operate under the same rules. They get one of the best succession laws, and free ducal revocation. Muslims really are quite solid without decadence to hold them back. Vodos posted:Playing plain old orthodox Byz, I think I screwed up by mending the schism before crusades were enabled. I didn't get any holy orders when the the crusade event fired, would I have gotten them if I had waited until after crusades? Do you have Sons of Abraham? Pretty sure most of the new Holy Orders won't be available if you don't. I mended the schism long after Crusades were enabled (they triggered early because one of the Karlings went heretic) and still didn't get any Holy Orders.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:33
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Vodos posted:I thought that holy orders go to the newly dominant religion when a religion becomes a heresy, is that not the case for Catholic/Orthodox? Nope that doesn't seem to be the case. I've mended the schism and orthodox is now the primary branch but I still only have the brotherhood as a holy order. Then again no crusade has been declared so it may be a case of the holy orders not having spawned yet in my game, I'll have to wait until 1100 and see.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:53
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Thrasophius posted:Nope that doesn't seem to be the case. I've mended the schism and orthodox is now the primary branch but I still only have the brotherhood as a holy order. Then again no crusade has been declared so it may be a case of the holy orders not having spawned yet in my game, I'll have to wait until 1100 and see. Well they spawn after the first crusade is declared, so if there's no need for a crusade they won't spawn at all. Also, can a mended Patriarch even call crusades?
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Apr 15, 2014 16:58
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Mystic_Shadow posted:Well then don't buy it? No one is forcing you to. Don't like thing, don't buy thing.  Just curious how you'd suppose one play the DLC without paying for it? Reviews haven't meant poo poo for CK2 since the original release date. I thought old gods was a good expansion, well rounded and loaded with content. This is not. Moral of the story is don't buy Rajas of India folks.
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Toadsniff posted:Don't like thing, don't buy thing. Ask people? People in this thread were quite honest about how broken Indian revolts were. Just show some patience and wait a day to see if it's actually interesting.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:15
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Also the Indian subcontinent is in the base game, you don't need RoI for it.
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For the record, I am perfectly happy with my RoI purchase and am really enjoying it. But then I am a big India nut, so. 
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Toadsniff posted:Don't like thing, don't buy thing. *DLCs required! Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Apr 15, 2014 17:23
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Autonomous Monster posted:For the record, I am perfectly happy with my RoI purchase and am really enjoying it. But then I am a big India nut, so. As a big India nut, maybe you have some ideas regarding a syncretic Norse/Hindu faith and/or Indo-Norse culture?
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Apr 15, 2014 17:27
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I think Rajas is one of the better dlcs myself. Whats so bad about it?
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Mantis42 posted:I think Rajas is one of the better dlcs myself. Whats so bad about it? You obviously aren't a DLC connoisseur like Toadsniff.
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Mantis42 posted:I think Rajas is one of the better dlcs myself. Whats so bad about it? It's not what's bad about it, it's what is good about it?
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Toadsniff posted:It's not what's bad about it, it's what is good about it? New religions, event, places to paint your pretty borders. It's fine if you don't like it but it has plenty of content.
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RagnarokAngel posted:New religions, event, places to paint your pretty borders. It's fine if you don't like it but it has plenty of content. Seriously not trying to be antagonistic here. But would it be safe to assume that all future DLC for this game will really only equate to some text boxes that adjust a skill +/- 1? Because when you break the new DLC down that is all that's going on. The new religions do not add anything of value from what I've played, playing a Jainist is no different than a Hinduist. They all have the same Intrigue events, same marriage laws, replace deer/boar with tiger and so on. The only reason you'd get anything more out of RoI than other expansion is if you have a boner for India.
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Toadsniff posted:Seriously not trying to be antagonistic here. But would it be safe to assume that all future DLC for this game will really only equate to some text boxes that adjust a skill +/- 1? Because when you break the new DLC down that is all that's going on. The new religions do not add anything of value from what I've played, playing a Jainist is no different than a Hinduist. They all have the same Intrigue events, same marriage laws, replace deer/boar with tiger and so on. The only reason you'd get anything more out of RoI than other expansion is if you have a boner for India. There's plenty of differences between Jainists and Hindus. Aren't you just unaware of them because you don't care, much like how hardly anyone realizes that Muslims get free ducal revocation? And what would be your ideal DLC, anyway?
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Toadsniff posted:Seriously not trying to be antagonistic here. But would it be safe to assume that all future DLC for this game will really only equate to some text boxes that adjust a skill +/- 1? Because when you break the new DLC down that is all that's going on. The new religions do not add anything of value from what I've played, playing a Jainist is no different than a Hinduist. They all have the same Intrigue events, same marriage laws, replace deer/boar with tiger and so on. The only reason you'd get anything more out of RoI than other expansion is if you have a boner for India. Congrats, you just figured out the secret to DLC. It's all about taking your money. Did you know the Old Gods was the same way? 
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The way I see it is that the DLC is a way to recoup costs for all the work they did in increasing the map by 30%, tweaking/optimizing/fixing the engine, and the many other free additions that came with the patch. I'd happily support this model if it meant more support, additions, and expansions in the future.
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RagnarokAngel posted:New religions, event, places to paint your pretty borders. It's fine if you don't like it but it has plenty of content. Its heavly bugged too, inst it? Or it was fixed in the last patch?
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The ability to designate your heir is pretty awesome. And Hindus have to respect the caste system, which is another wrench thrown into marriage. Indians play very differently from other cultures, just like most of the new additions. I had great fun with my Indian game, though the whole Samrat Chakrivartin decision is lacking. (Especially the flag/color of the Empire of India) I don't think it's as much fun as playing as a viking, which I could do always, because sailing in rivers and raiding is the best, but still the ability to mod in heir designation is great. And again, 90% of the expansion was added in via a free patch, because Paradox is awesome.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Its heavly bugged too, inst it? Or it was fixed in the last patch? Sure, but isn't every big patch? The patch that accompanied SoA had some major problems too, such as the failure to rebalance event troop numbers to take into account the levy changes.
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Main Paineframe posted:There's plenty of differences between Jainists and Hindus. Aren't you just unaware of them because you don't care, much like how hardly anyone realizes that Muslims get free ducal revocation? And what would be your ideal DLC, anyway? For starters increasing the roleplaying aspect of the game would be huge. •Increasing the number of traits and interesting events on how those traits come into play. (these come in as a trickle; voice of jesus/satan, berserker, etc) •More robust base building •More politics and ability to manipulate public opinion •Secret military squads for clandestine missions (would work with a spymaster but would be deployable like an army). I would love to see a whole slew of unique missions such as sabotage/impersonation. •Less arbitrary assassinations, not based on percentage or dice rolling. (not plotting but the two should not be mutually exclusive, they should integrate these two) Some other things I can't think of right now. Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Congrats, you just figured out the secret to DLC. It's all about taking your money. Did you know the Old Gods was the same way? Actually Old Gods added raiding and physically changed the entire world map by adding rivers. Had you said Sons of Abraham then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. Old Gods is probably the most robust DLC CK2 has ever received, that was a bad example.
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Eternal antipopes, papal authority going into the thousand percents, Mongols spawning in millions if there were Jewish provinces- SoA release was a mess.
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Toadsniff posted:Actually Old Gods added raiding and physically changed the entire world map by adding rivers. Had you said Sons of Abraham then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. Old Gods is probably the most robust DLC CK2 has ever received, that was a bad example. Nope, the free patch gave you that. The Old Gods just made it available to play.
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Toadsniff posted:Actually Old Gods added raiding and physically changed the entire world map by adding rivers. Had you said Sons of Abraham then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. Old Gods is probably the most robust DLC CK2 has ever received, that was a bad example. And Rajas added three new religions with new game mechanics and also physically changed the entire world map by expanding it 30%. Yet it was a bad DLC and Old Gods was a good one?
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Nope, the free patch gave you that. The Old Gods just made it available to play. You aren't really making a compelling argument here, if you can't play it without paying for it then my point stands. What you paid for in Old Gods is more than what you paid for for any other expansion.
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