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Goons know of anyone hiring? My buddy's school got bought and the new owners are asking him to leave.
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Apr 14, 2014 12:27
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A ringing endorsement!
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Apr 14, 2014 19:28
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Time to move to a new parish, eh?
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Apr 15, 2014 01:05
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Bloodnose posted:A ringing endorsement! He's been there for four years without a complaint. The new owners don't believe in silly things like paying their employees and during the buyout process encouraged him to renegotiate his existing contract down to a more reasonable salary of 50,000nt a month. He decided to stick to the one he had signed at which point they started interviewing people secretly and then surprised him on payday with "congratulations, you get unpaid vacation starting at the end of April!" Several parents threatened to withdraw their kids from the school if he left, but the school didn't care.
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Apr 15, 2014 03:25
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Atlas Hugged posted:He's been there for four years without a complaint. The new owners don't believe in silly things like paying their employees and during the buyout process encouraged him to renegotiate his existing contract down to a more reasonable salary of 50,000nt a month. He decided to stick to the one he had signed at which point they started interviewing people secretly and then surprised him on payday with "congratulations, you get unpaid vacation starting at the end of April!"
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Apr 15, 2014 05:51
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Atlas Hugged posted:He's been there for four years without a complaint. The new owners don't believe in silly things like paying their employees and during the buyout process encouraged him to renegotiate his existing contract down to a more reasonable salary of 50,000nt a month. He decided to stick to the one he had signed at which point they started interviewing people secretly and then surprised him on payday with "congratulations, you get unpaid vacation starting at the end of April!" Whats a normal wage for ESL like in Taiwan? I realize 50k is probably too little, but that's a good deal less than I've seen offered in rural places at chain schools.
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Apr 15, 2014 05:55
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Magna Kaser posted:Whats a normal wage for ESL like in Taiwan? I realize 50k is probably too little, but that's a good deal less than I've seen offered in rural places at chain schools. 50,000nt is definitely on the low side, but plenty of people are willing to accept it for whatever reason so nothing is driving the wages up. My friend was telling me that even 10 years ago, he could expect to make 100,000nt a month. There's apparently been a huge increase in the number of teachers looking for work, so supply exceeds demand at the moment. You probably shouldn't take a job that offers less than 60,000.
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Apr 15, 2014 06:34
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Atlas Hugged posted:50,000nt is definitely on the low side, but plenty of people are willing to accept it for whatever reason so nothing is driving the wages up. My friend was telling me that even 10 years ago, he could expect to make 100,000nt a month. There's apparently been a huge increase in the number of teachers looking for work, so supply exceeds demand at the moment. You probably shouldn't take a job that offers less than 60,000. Wow, those are some reasonably high teaching salaries to expect. 50,000 is about standard. There are probably very few months of the year where I top 50k. The rest are much closer to 40k. I think it's instructive that you're saying "even 10 years ago" as if that wasn't the time of the wild west in Taiwan where you could expect to be paid over 100k for waggling your dick at a classroom full of screaming kids for an hour with a fake degree from Thailand.
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Apr 15, 2014 06:44
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Atlas Hugged posted:My friend was telling me that even 10 years ago, he could expect to make 100,000nt a month.
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Spanish Matlock posted:Wow, those are some reasonably high teaching salaries to expect. 50,000 is about standard. There are probably very few months of the year where I top 50k. The rest are much closer to 40k. Well, I should clarify that these are different friends. The one who was previously pulling in 100,000nt a month now owns his own school. The guy who didn't want to take a pay cut to 50,000 was making around 70,000 I believe, but had gotten to there with 4 years of teaching at the same school. I also think salaries in Taipei are lower than they are in the sticks for obvious reasons. TetsuoTW posted:Your friend is loving delusional. I don't know, the guy who was doing that well for himself now has his own school with a waiting list, so clearly he's not completely delusional. I also know other guys who easily make 100,000nt a month, but aside from a director position they all speak Chinese and work at schools that require foreign teachers to be bilingual. As a further aside, the friend of mine who is looking for work is willing to take a pay cut, he just wasn't willing to take a pay cut on an existing contract with owners who immediately came in and told him to stop sucking without even watching his classes. Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Apr 15, 2014 06:48
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quote:Well, I should clarify that these are different friends. The one who was previously pulling in 100,000nt a month now owns his own school. The guy who didn't want to take a pay cut to 50,000 was making around 70,000 I believe, but had gotten to there with 4 years of teaching at the same school. I also think salaries in Taipei are lower than they are in the sticks for obvious reasons. Yeah, the sticks tend to pay more for foreigners because there are not many foreigners who can handle the soul crushing boredom of living out there. Unless of course they're married and have good Chinese and then they'd be getting paid more in the city anyway for doing something with their Chinese like translating or editing.
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Apr 15, 2014 07:08
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Spanish Matlock posted:Yeah, the sticks tend to pay more for foreigners because there are not many foreigners who can handle the soul crushing boredom of living out there. Unless of course they're married and have good Chinese and then they'd be getting paid more in the city anyway for doing something with their Chinese like translating or editing. I'm curious if you are hourly or salary. The school my friend works for does salaries with a minimum and maximum number of hours. 50,000nt would be his guaranteed, pre-tax income and you can bet your rear end that they'd make sure he never went over the maximum number of hours and earned any overtime pay.
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Apr 15, 2014 09:03
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We do hourly, like most schools do afaik. We had salaried positions for foreign branch managers for a while but that went down the toilet. 50 grand is the normal monthly salary for a teaching job. Hourly rates range from 500-600 dollars an hour to start and maybe up to like 700 an hour later on. If you want to do privates (most do) you can pull in about a grand an hour. There are better places to work than this and worse, money-wise. But if your friend just needs a job he could always apply at David's. (Assuming he's not a dick.) http://www.david.com.tw/ Office to apply to is located at Nanjing Fuxing mrt station across the street from the Brother hotel.
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Apr 15, 2014 09:22
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Spanish Matlock posted:We do hourly, like most schools do afaik. We had salaried positions for foreign branch managers for a while but that went down the toilet. 50 grand is the normal monthly salary for a teaching job. Hourly rates range from 500-600 dollars an hour to start and maybe up to like 700 an hour later on. If you want to do privates (most do) you can pull in about a grand an hour. I'll pass it along. I don't think he's a dick and Tetsuo and him seemed to get along over beers.
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Apr 15, 2014 09:34
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As a bonus, he may win the right to be interviewed at ICRT by me!
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Apr 15, 2014 09:38
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I'll be sure to teach him the secret handshake. Also, I was under the impression from this very thread that editing/translation work didn't actually pay that well. All of the guys I knew who weren't foreign hires for a corporation with a decent income were the ones working at elite cram schools. That seems to be the best route to go if your Chinese is good.
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Apr 15, 2014 09:49
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Yeah, I wish I made 50k a month, that would be a nice step up.
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Apr 15, 2014 10:44
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Moon Slayer posted:Yeah, I wish I made 50k a month, that would be a nice step up. I heard someone at CNA say the Taipei Times folk make upwards of 60k- I'm surprised that isn't true for China Post??
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Apr 15, 2014 10:48
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Taipei Times gets all that sweet, sweet pan-green money for printing propaganda, so of course they have more cash to throw around. Meanwhile China Post has to beg companies to run advertorials and take side jobs editing material from international shows. gently caress TAIWAN FASTENER
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Apr 15, 2014 11:02
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Atlas Hugged posted:Also, I was under the impression from this very thread that editing/translation work didn't actually pay that well. When it's bad, it's pitiful. At the same time I was waiting for the client above to pay up, there was one month I had to borrow rent money. Editing, from what I hear, is more consistent work for a lower pay rate.
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Apr 15, 2014 11:24
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Atlas Hugged posted:I'll be sure to teach him the secret handshake. Translation doesn't pay especially well anywhere. Thanks to the internet fees for it are basically the same everywhere and unless a company decides they need an in-house translator it's not the most lucrative career. The only person I know who does pretty well is in China, but she has native fluency in Russian and German and has fantastic English and Chinese so she can cover a lot of bases. If you're just a CN<->EN person it's not gonna be so great. I made well over the equivalent of 50k NTD (as a salary) a month when I was working for a cram school in the mainland, and that was in a 2nd tier city which was a lot cheaper to live in than Taipei. I'm kind of surprised the wages in Taiwan are so low. I was under the impression it was a lot better (or at least the same) than the mainland for some reason.
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Apr 15, 2014 11:25
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I misread nanjing fuxing brother hotel as ninja loving brothel hotel. Welp
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Apr 15, 2014 11:29
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The super childish part of me really wants to one day live on a Fuxing St. in Hong Kong, because then my address would include loving Guy.
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Apr 15, 2014 11:35
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Magna Kaser posted:I made well over the equivalent of 50k NTD (as a salary) a month when I was working for a cram school in the mainland, and that was in a 2nd tier city which was a lot cheaper to live in than Taipei. I'm kind of surprised the wages in Taiwan are so low. I was under the impression it was a lot better (or at least the same) than the mainland for some reason. I know guys that were easily pulling in 80-100,000nt a month doing cram school work, but they were highly proficient in Chinese and worked very long hours. These cram schools are not the norm though. Most foreigners come in through HESS or Shane and are started around 550nt an hour or less. The schools treat them like replaceable office equipment and emphasize curriculum over educator. I'm an odd duck in that my take home is only about 50,000, but I also don't pay rent, so I make out better than a lot of other people do. The downside is that I live in the middle of nowhere and get stir crazy.
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Apr 15, 2014 11:48
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Atlas Hugged posted:The downside is that I live in the middle of nowhere and get stir crazy.
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Apr 15, 2014 11:56
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Moon Slayer posted:Taipei Times gets all that sweet, sweet pan-green money for printing propaganda, so of course they have more cash to throw around. Meanwhile China Post has to beg companies to run advertorials and take side jobs editing material from international shows. I worked at RTI for awhile, but I quit because it was all blue propaganda all the time (with poo poo pay). Propaganda should at least pay better than 35,000 NTD. I would have thought China Post got a lot of blue money though? Guess not?
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Apr 15, 2014 12:02
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Barto posted:
Why would we? The paper's not pro-KMT and hasn't been for years.
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Moon Slayer posted:Why would we? The paper's not pro-KMT and hasn't been for years. Really? Ok, the last time someone brought the paper up they mentioned it was a pro-KMT paper. They must have been operating under old information. So what's the readership for it? I see Taipei Times in a lot of convenience stores, but I've only ever noticed the Post in NTU library a few times.
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Apr 15, 2014 12:08
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Nobody actually reads it.
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Moon Slayer posted:Nobody actually reads it. Oh. 
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Apr 15, 2014 12:39
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Hey now, I got a copy of the China Post once when I stayed at a hotel. One and only time.
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Apr 15, 2014 13:08
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The China Post is about as fair and balanced as Xinhua. It carefully and objectively reports all of the facts that don't make the ruling party look bad.
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Apr 15, 2014 13:30
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Five years ago, maybe? I sure as hell don't see that today. As in, right at this moment with the story I'm editing about the ETC fuckups.
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Apr 15, 2014 13:35
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If you 看得懂 the Chinese, I've been finding The Journalist (新新聞) a pretty good read for news and current events type stuff these past few weeks.
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Apr 15, 2014 14:28
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Moon Slayer posted:Five years ago, maybe? I sure as hell don't see that today. As in, right at this moment with the story I'm editing about the ETC fuckups. Is it different from the story the other day which introduced it as a thing people were worried about and then concluded in the same paragraph that it wasn't worth worrying about because it would only affect criminals anyway? Not saying that's not the case, just that it's a weird example of how the paper lacks bias. I mean I've been here for 7 years and haven't noticed any marked change in the China post during that time.
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Apr 15, 2014 15:11
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Atlas Hugged posted:Most foreigners come in through HESS or Shane and are started around 550nt an hour or less. The schools treat them like replaceable office equipment and emphasize curriculum over educator. Hess starts at 580/hour, which works out to 45,000 on a 20 hour contract. I thought most schools start a bit about that, 600/hour at a minimum.
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Apr 15, 2014 15:45
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House Louse posted:Hess starts at 580/hour, which works out to 45,000 on a 20 hour contract. I thought most schools start a bit about that, 600/hour at a minimum. 45,000 a month? You do get an apartment or living arrangements right? So how much does a dish washer make, and how much does a regular office worker make?
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Apr 15, 2014 16:06
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I think McDonald's and the like pay like NT$150 an hour.
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caberham posted:45,000 a month? You do get an apartment or living arrangements right? So how much does a dish washer make, and how much does a regular office worker make? Last I checked those places do not provide housing or other perks.
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