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Doltos posted:Regardless they're two separate things. Camera angles for game tape are almost always sky cam/stands footage and are completely different than seeing someone up close and in person. I'm sure Clowney's 40 would look even more impressive in person than it does from the combine recording. Game film is for how they perform in a game. If you send a scout to the guy's Pro Day with a camera, he can capture the leg movements, footwork, everything you need during those drills from 6 feet away. The coach himself standing there in the team's workout facility a couple weeks later would be no different
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Rap posted:Game film is for how they perform in a game. If you send a scout to the guy's Pro Day with a camera, he can capture the leg movements, footwork, everything you need during those drills from 6 feet away. The coach himself standing there in the team's workout facility a couple weeks later would be no different Except that you're not just sending a scout to the Pro Day, you're sending the head coach. At the end of the day the true purpose of game tape is to have a way to continuously replay what you saw instead of trying to remember what the 40 looked like. One can be a substitute for the other but there's a reason why coaches go in person to see people instead of just staying in a bunker watching tape.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:51
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Intruder posted:I guess I'm not so upset about the draft being pushed back anymore in that case If the draft hadn't been pushed back it would have taken place this Thursday night; do you think Bortles has more of a chance of being picked than Clowney at this point?
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I think a team would be locked into their decision by this point so I think Bortles would have been #1. With the extra time to deliberate, I think Bortles might fall a number of spots. Especially if Houston and the other top 5 teams are evaluating the other quarterbacks that they can choose from at #33-37.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I think a team would be locked into their decision by this point so I think Bortles would have been #1. With the extra time to deliberate, I think Bortles might fall a number of spots. Especially if Houston and the other top 5 teams are evaluating the other quarterbacks that they can choose from at #33-37. Do you have any reasons for Bortles being the pick, though? The only real connection is that O'Brien was an assistant coach under O'Leary; Clowney has still been the best prospect all along.
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Clowney's absolutely been the best prospect but McClain has been adamant about the decision coming down to quarterback. But with this much time and the importance of the #1 pick I think taking a generational player that can make an impact from day one will win out. Most of the hype on Bortles came from his combine and pro day but I think it's going to wear off.
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Doctor Candiru posted:Speaking of individual workouts, Bridgewater is still at the Vikings' facility, meaning he's been there since Saturday. It does seem a bit unusual to have a draft pick at your facility for 3 or 4 days, but it does mean that the Vikings are getting a very good sense of how he would work with Turner, his ability to pick up the offense, and how he handles himself at the facility, since Bridgewater is known as being a quiet guy who leads by example. I came across an article last week talking about Turner's offense and the author mentioned that the bread and butter of his scheme is ball placement on throws in the 6 to 20 yard range and that only 3 to 4% of passes go beyond 30 yards. What's interesting about this is that Mettenberger, who basically played in the same scheme under Cam Cameron, struggled with ball placement on intermediate throws, but intermediate passing is exactly where Bridgewater excels. He also excels at reading the defense and making adjustments before snaps and then going through his progressions and not just starring down one receiver like Ponder does. I know that teams prefer to have a big, strong armed QB like Mettenberger, but I think that a case can be made that Bridgewater may be better suited to run Turner's offense. The only things that scare me about Bridgewater is that he has a slight frame with narrow shoulders (supposed to be a durability concern), he has a bit of a hitch in his throwing motion that slows his delivery, and he has a tendency to wait for receivers to get open and instead of leading them. He can put on more weight, but his frame won't change and those last two points Turner should have been able to determine over the past few days whether they can be corrected by coaching or not.
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Doltos posted:Except that you're not just sending a scout to the Pro Day, you're sending the head coach.
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Quest For Glory II posted:Clowney's absolutely been the best prospect but McClain has been adamant about the decision coming down to quarterback. But with this much time and the importance of the #1 pick I think taking a generational player that can make an impact from day one will win out. Most of the hype on Bortles came from his combine and pro day but I think it's going to wear off. You have to understand that McClain is full of poo poo and any of the Texans posters here would tell you the same.
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bhsman posted:You have to understand that McClain is full of poo poo and any of the Texans posters here would tell you the same. Me and bhsman butt heads a lot on this forum, but he's right, McClain is so full of poo poo it's spewing from his pores.
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Also quit calling him McClain, he's Pancakes
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Doltos posted:I know you're trying to be a smart rear end but there's a reason people watch plays like Cats and Phantom both recorded and in person on Broadway. That reason is they have really really lovely taste in theater.
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shiksa posted:That reason is they have really really lovely taste in theater. Then Book of Mormon or Wicked or whatever you want to sound more pretentious.
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Doltos posted:Then Book of Mormon or Wicked or whatever you want to sound more pretentious. I think Spamalot is the correct answer
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Book of Mormon was way more pretentious.
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Doltos posted:Then Book of Mormon or Wicked or whatever you want to sound more pretentious. the south park musical and the wizard of oz musical are very petentious
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I can't imagine how poorly history will look on the guy who passes on clowney to draft the third best quarterback in the draft Who is like a top 15 pick not even top 5
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Groucho Marxist posted:the south park musical and the wizard of oz musical are very petentious I'm just trying to figure out what shiksa's definition of good theater is since he snobbed Cats and Phantom (cmon, who doesn't like swinging chandeliers?)
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Pacific Overtures is the best theater, sorry y'all are uncultured.
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Chess is an incredible musical. Choke on that, snobs.
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The Raiders posted this on their facebook obviously the marketing department has no real insight into the real draft war room, but why is that Texas A&M QB #2 up there? 
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Blitz7x posted:The Raiders posted this on their facebook What was funnier is I thought that was Tahj Boyd for a second and it made perfect sense.
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Doltos posted:I'm just trying to figure out what shiksa's definition of good theater is since he snobbed Cats and Phantom (cmon, who doesn't like swinging chandeliers?) I personally just don't like Phantom very much, but Cats is total garbage.
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Blitz7x posted:The Raiders posted this on their facebook Ugh. Please don't make me care about the Raiders...
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Blitz7x posted:The Raiders posted this on their facebook Cause Matt Schaub sucks is my guess.
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Bucky Brooks just put out a mock that has the Browns taking Watkins @ 4, Bridgewater @ 26, and Hyde @ 35. No loving way they walk away with those three.
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John Brown posted:Bucky Brooks just put out a mock that has the Browns taking Watkins @ 4, Bridgewater @ 26, and Hyde @ 35. What no way I gotta see this mock for mysel... oh ho ho nice try Mr. Brooks 
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Well what else is there to talk about in a draft thread? Dammit Goodell 
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John Brown posted:Well what else is there to talk about in a draft thread? Theatre obviously
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Hmmm..AZCardinals.com posted:While it still seems unlikely the Cards will take a quarterback early even if one or two drop, Carson Palmer knows it could happen. There has not been a whole lot of chatter from Arizona about taking a quarterback due to Bruce Arians' known affinity for veterans and tenure, so I wonder if Carson might be tipping the hand of the organization based on what he's been hearing internally. At #20, the Cards would not be able to get one of the top 3 QBs unless there was a fall, so some quarterbacks to look at that might go off the board there would include Zach Mettenberger or Derek Carr; tall, strong-armed quarterbacks that excel in the intermediate passing game but can also sling it, which is the kind of QB that Arians loves.
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Quest For Glory II posted:Hmmm.. The Cardinals potentially taking a QB has been talked about a lot in Arizona. No one views Palmer as a long term option and with Lindley and Stanton as backups, it would be reasonable for the Cardinals to take a QB at some point during the draft. It could also be a case where the Cardinals are trying to drum up interest in 20 for some team trading up from the top of the 2nd round, but I do think their interest in a QB is legitimate, it is just a matter of when they are comfortable pulling the trigger.
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I for one would like a movie Quaterback for my team. He may have a bad first 3 quarters in The Big Game after he learns his estranged dad died just hours before, but once his attractive but conflicted girlfriend shows up and cheers him on in the forth quarter, he plays lights-out. Of course, good luck signing him for more than one season.
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Benne posted:This comparison is such bullshit. Last I checked Teddy never filmed a sick rad music video.
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Couldn't be Harbaugh, he has Tyrod, he knows what a true dynamic playmaker is.
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PrinceRandom posted:I for one would like a movie Quaterback for my team. He may have a bad first 3 quarters in The Big Game after he learns his estranged dad died just hours before, but once his attractive but conflicted girlfriend shows up and cheers him on in the forth quarter, he plays lights-out. Replace girlfriend with "savior" and you have Tebow, who is available.
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