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Dr. Arbitrary posted:It sounds like fiction written by someone who has never been in the military. This. If some pissant major wants to give a speech or get some soldiers to clean the HQ building, the military thinks nothing of making you show up an hour early and having you police up cigarette butts in the rain while Major So-and-So takes his sweet time, and I'm supposed to believe a Marine would resent waiting 15 minutes for the President of the Motherfucking United States as he does one of the busiest jobs in the whole world? A boss that only makes an enlisted man wait 15 minutes at a time is phenomenal. A Marine complaining that the loving President doesn't schedule his day for the convenience of a nobody Lance Corporal is a hilarious fiction.
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Generic American posted:Or hell, just ask him who he thinks wrote that little blurb. It wasn't the Marine, for obvious reasons. Would a grieving family member really make sure to get the calculated quip about Obamacare in there? Oh, what's that? It's written by someone detached from the situation? Well, how the gently caress would they know so many minor details about Jeff totally calling out Obummer on cutting his socialist military healthcare? And for that matter, why the gently caress do we trust that guy's word about how things ~totally~ happened, believe me guys it really really happened just like that? Oh, I don't care if it's really true or not, I just agreed with the message is all.
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VitalSigns posted:This. In other words:  http://terminallance.com/2013/05/17/terminal-lance-presidential-service/
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Haha that article is great. Soldiers in Iraq in 2003 had to literally burn barrels full of poo poo-mixed-with-gasoline In 100-degree weather. Waiting outside a helicopter for the President doesn't even compare to the degrading duties lower enlisted get every day. I also like that "Jeff got a letter firing him from the Marines", like its just some fast food job where they can call you and tell you not to come in anymore. It takes an Article 15 punishment (field-grade even, I'm pretty sure) before involuntary separation for misconduct is even an option, and you have the right to refuse and demand trial by Court Martial (never do this). A kindergartener could write more realistic milfiction than that e-mail after watching an episode of Battlestar Galactica
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Apr 15, 2014 21:42
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VitalSigns posted:demand trial by Court Martial (never do this). Whyyyyyy not?
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Apr 15, 2014 21:49
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also wouldn't he be living on a base or something? Do military personnel serving in large American cities get comped apartments or something? Either way surely the Marines would be covering his housing. He'd probably notice that he'd been "fired from the Marines" as he was getting kicked out of his residence, not while checking his email.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Whyyyyyy not? I think if you lose a court marshal (you probably would in that case) you and your family get totally removed from the system but with other ways you can access some of it?
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pillsburysoldier posted:Whyyyyyy not? Agreed; iirc I've seen mil legal offices advise Marines to exercise their right to demand Court Martial vice Non-Judicial Punishment. An NJP is pretty much a kangaroo court, so if you're up on NJP charges that would never stand up in a real court, you call their bluff and demand an actual legit trial with lawyers and a judge, as opposed to just having your boss and managers sentence you to decreased rank/pay and "house arrest". EDIT: there's no "probably". The Marine Jeff email is over-the-top howlingly bad. Anyone promoting that deserves to be soundly mocked for their credulity. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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ArchangeI posted:I would assume they wear their dress uniforms if they are on ceremonial duty. Are dress uniforms not warm? I'm seriously asking. My grandfather's WWII-era dress uniform had three different thicknesses, with one coat being wool and intended for colder weather. Even the thinnest one, for summer, was just thinner wool and hot as a bitch. That's the Army though, maybe the Marines couldn't give two shits about you freezing your junk off.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Whyyyyyy not? Courts martial have an absurdly high conviction rate and can impose much harsher punishments than your commander can, including jail time. Also, conviction by court martial gives you a criminal record afterwards and nonjudicial punishment by your commander does not. Unless you've got a slam-dunk case that your commander is full of poo poo and you can prove it, it's not worth the risk. But even separation for misconduct is an involved process, especially if the soldier objects, you don't just "get a letter firing you from the marines". Actually, the more I read that the more hilarious out of touch nonsense I find. Nobody is "reluctantly assigned" to the White House. It's seen as a tremendous honor and getting selected is insanely competitive. No one who isn't determined to do it would apply, and no one whose military bearing is so bad that the President could even notice to ask why he looks so miserable would make it. And it looks pretty good at promotion boards too so even if you hated the President you would do it if selected because it's great for your career. I'd wager Jeff's commander was pissed that he embarrassed the unit by looking so pathetic and forlorn with his sniffles that he distracted the President, rather than caring about any sick burns Jeff made about Obamacare 
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Brawnfire posted:Are dress uniforms not warm? There's a USMC all-weather dress trenchcoat with a warming liner. I'm on my cell, but if you google a sec there are plenty of pics of DC Marines in various ceremonial duties wearing dress cold weather gear. It's a ceremonial duty, so it's not like they want guys out there looking miserable or getting frostbite. That's another hilariously impossible detail of the Jeff: if one of those Marines was visibly unwell to the point the dang Commander in Chief noticed, half of Jeff's chain of command would die of professional embarrassment. I never worked with the parade set, but I'm pretty sure if you show up looking anything short your best game, they'll pull a sub off standby and send you home or to medical until you're fit for duty.
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VitalSigns posted:Courts martial have an absurdly high conviction rate and can impose much harsher punishments than your commander can, including jail time. IANAJAG, but as a yeahbutal: isn't part of the high conviction rate that they only convene them if it's worth the hassle? Functionally, my impression is that demanding CM isn't so much something you do because you really want to be in one, but rather you do it expecting they'll just drop the case. More of an "I double-dog-dare you to escalate this to the next level" that you hope they don't really take up.
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Cache Cab posted:I got this one from my father today (he is a Vietnam vet). This is so ludicrous that I would ask if you are sure your father isn't trolling you. Attending to the president is probably the most prestigious assignment one could get and only the hottest of hot poo poo service members would even be considered. Also service members have free healthcare through Tricare, why the hell would he need to use the ACA marketplaces? Also lol at the letter, "Ur Fired, -Prez Obummer", If your father was in the armed services surely he should know that separation under any circumstances is a lengthy complicated affair right? Oh and we are supposed to care about private shithead because he had to wait in the cold for 15 minutes for the goddamn president, what other more valuable duties would he otherwise be doing? "Then he died because of pneumonia, The End, Thanks Obama!" Axetrain fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Jurgan posted:Now let's hear the person who posted that image give his thoughts on terrorism. It's my uncle. I'm going to start using him as a source for this thread. Should be pretty entertaining and/or sad.
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When I was in the Navy I got to march in a Chicago parade, I think it was for Memorial day. If you think about it, walking a parade is kind of a crappy job, we had to wear our nicest uniforms and march in dress shoes. Why would anyone want to do that? One of the guys bought a coffee right before it was time to march and spilled it all over his dress white uniform, he wouldn't be able to march looking like that. He was begging and even offering money to people to swap uniforms with him. No one wanted to. That's for a parade. There's no shortage of Marines who would enthusiastically volunteer to be Obama's umbrella holder.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:IANAJAG, but as a yeahbutal: isn't part of the high conviction rate that they only convene them if it's worth the hassle? But yeah, pretty much you're right that's a big part of it. Your commander already has the ability to punish you up to a certain point, so the military is only going to court martial you if they're trying to get you for actual criminal poo poo to send you to prison, or are trying to make an example of you or something and they'll only bother if they have good evidence. But the other part is the court is just plain more likely to believe the Major with 20 years in accusing you of something than they are to believe your enlisted rear end. Maybe think of it like traffic court. Sure, officially you're innocent until proven guilty, but if the cop shows up and testifies you ran that red light, you'd better have something more solid than "nuh-uh" before asking the judge to believe you over a police officer. It's not right, but that's the way it is. TapTheForwardAssist posted:Functionally, my impression is that demanding CM isn't so much something you do because you really want to be in one, but rather you do it expecting they'll just drop the case. More of an "I double-dog-dare you to escalate this to the next level" that you hope they don't really take up. Eh, I've never been in that position, but it doesn't sound like a good strategy to me. You can already appeal your commander's NJP to his commander so he has at least some incentive not to be a vindictive petty rear end, if only not to look bad to his boss. I don't know if you can withdraw your request for court martial if your commander calls your bluff (I doubt it). Yeah a court martial is a hassle he might not want to deal with, but buckling to your threat and losing face in front of subordinates isn't going to appeal to him either. In the grand scheme of things, an unfair punishment from one douche commander is nothing compared to potentially destroying your career with a court martial conviction that could possibly create a criminal record for you as well. Even if the court gives you a lesser sentence than your commander wanted to, it's not worth that conviction. And courts martial have the ability to give out much harsher punishments than NJP. If your accuser has no case, then yeah maybe demanding a court martial will get it to go away, or a good defense lawyer will win it for you. But I'd be super scared to demand one as a bluff if I have to secretly hope they just don't want to bother 
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Clearly the president should have invited Jeff the Marine to have a threesome with himself and the first lady.
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I kinda wanna live in the world right wing paranoid types live in, where we're basically being lead by the Joker. "Buahaha yes, I'll ask him how he feels and then when he responds I'll say a little quip and fire him! THAT'LL SHOW HIM FOR BEING A SOLDIER!"
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I kinda wanna live in the world right wing paranoid types live in, where we're basically being lead by the Joker. make a video game about the world these people love in, with the anti vaccinations, the collusion of scientists and archeologists against god, Obama as the anti Christ, FEMA camps, the knockout game, all that conspiracy poo poo and it would be the neatest video game plot ever
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pillsburysoldier posted:make a video game about the world these people love in, with the anti vaccinations, the collusion of scientists and archeologists against god, Obama as the anti Christ, FEMA camps, the knockout game, all that conspiracy poo poo and it would be the neatest video game plot ever But they already made Deus Ex 
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Edminster posted:But they already made Deus Ex I was going to suggest Bad Day LA, or maybe the Postal series.
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Edminster posted:But they already made Deus Ex I've never played it 
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Also: The Secret World.
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OK, so this isn't overly political, aside from a certain "USA USA USA!" vibe, but I just have to share. I just love the chocolate eagle.
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Where's Jesus? Motherfucking war on Easter right here.
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SlipUp posted:Clearly the president should have invited Jeff the Marine to have a threesome with himself and the first lady. Hmm, I wonder how many fowarded pological emails there are about that?
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From my brother: Tale of Two Houses Description: 1.2246166345  House #1 A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern 'snow belt' area. It's in the South. Description: 2.2246166345  House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawin g ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape. ~~~~~ HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the 'environmentalist' Al Gore. HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence of the former President of the United States, George W. Bush. An 'inconvenient truth.' I sure hope this gets passed to everyone! And, yes ... I DID check Snopes prior to forwarding it. You can verify it at : http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp "Ole"
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Armyman25 posted:Tale of Two Houses Accurate, afaik, but I'm not sure what the thesis is.
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Discendo Vox posted:Accurate, afaik, but I'm not sure what the thesis is. Al Gore does not eco-friendly thing, therefore climate change is a lie.
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 I don't know any of these people. This popped up on my wall because my friend commented on what his friend said, and still, this pissed me off because literally every statement is an obvious lie, strawman, silly, or blatantly wrong. They seem like nice people. "Nice." For me, it's not people complaining about taxes, but the implication that anyone who receives public assistance must have been on them for years and years and live wonderful lives and obviously cheats the system... But don't worry, we don't hate these people, there are "some people" that actually need assistance. It's also amazing that they seem to point out all the benefits of the system as if they're bad, then complain about the poo poo-rear end private system their on and don't see the solution, or at least a partial one, right in front of them. (Last post by Bud Jet) There was another one not screenshot about a the poster being in Wal-Mart complaining that a family was looking at big screen TVs and "rubbing it in on tax day," like they were doing that poo poo on purpose. (And seriously? A 46" TV can cost as low as $500 and not be half bad. My parents used to spend that much on groceries and restaurants a month when me and brothers still lived at home.)
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Discendo Vox posted:Accurate, afaik, but I'm not sure what the thesis is. Isn't it obvious? Al Gore is a lovely conservationist therefore global warming isn't happening.
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Discendo Vox posted:Accurate, afaik, but I'm not sure what the thesis is.
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George W Bush is a hippie.
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Armyman25 posted:From my brother: I like the link within that Snopes article that goes into detail about how the Gore house is apparently carbon neutral through some bit of effort on the Gore's part. Funny how they didn't mention any of that in their letter. Also that it's loving 7 years old.
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More an anti-crazy-forward.jpg but this made me pretty happy. It's always great to see people drop the knowledge on this "heh, government eggheads don't know about COMMON SENSE  " poo poo.
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Cache Cab posted:What should I say back to him? While Jeff stood on the tarmac outside President Obama's plane, safe from shrapnel and bullets whizzing past his head, whining about the temperature and how the head of state of one of the most powerful nations in the world hadn't invited him inside to afternoon tea, his friends from boot camp were dying in the sands of Afghanistan. Had Jeff's friends been able to trade places with him, and had their worst concern been some cold weather - which Jeff and all his friends had dealt with during boot camp, when they ran many miles in freezing rain - they would have done so in a heartbeat, and been thankful to do so. Jeff had gotten soft, and was a disgrace to the U.S.M.C.
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Discendo Vox posted:Accurate, afaik, but I'm not sure what the thesis is. quote:When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.  Bush. Rancher, painter. Western mystic. He's a true steward of the land, as one who binds himself in a covenant with the Lord. But he's a man who keeps himself, to himself.
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Thompsons posted:More an anti-crazy-forward.jpg but this made me pretty happy. Yeah the Russians didn't really give a gently caress about graphite, a conductor, floating around in their cabin. Actually the whole thing is a myth but the Soviet Space Program was comparatively lackadaisical towards safety standards more often than NASA.
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peter banana posted:also wouldn't he be living on a base or something? Do military personnel serving in large American cities get comped apartments or something? Either way surely the Marines would be covering his housing. He'd probably notice that he'd been "fired from the Marines" as he was getting kicked out of his residence, not while checking his email. Army had a half day. 
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So this is a thing I came across while looking for a painting of the Assassination of Alexander II. Apparently somebody is still mad about that and blames the jews for it.....
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