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Angry Lobster posted:Please, could you tell me more about this? Well, like Frozendorf said, it's via vassal. I'm gonna get playing when I finish exams in two weeks. If you want to get a game in, PM me.
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Can anyone tell me about Ciaphas Cain? Is it any good?
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Apr 16, 2014 03:18
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The second post of the OP sure can!
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Apr 16, 2014 03:34
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I'd recommend it if only for the unusual combination of 40k and comedy. It's not a comedy-first book obviously, but it's well-described as "Flashman in space," and in a setting so grimdark as 40k, it's a great change of pace and is written in a generally good and entertaining manner. There's definitely some overlap in the narrative arcs of the books, but I pretty much expect that from a book series like this one, which is fully aware it's written in the style of a serial novel.
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UberJumper posted:Can anyone tell me about Ciaphas Cain? Is it any good? I like it even if it is the same story rewritten a hundred times. It covers a lot of slice of life stuff and is less grimdark than anything out there.
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The Rat posted:The second post of the OP sure can! The second post of the OP says Angel Exterminatus is in the same category as Betrayer, Know no Fear, Legion, etc, and puts Outcast Dead under the "Good" category. It was most likely written by a heretic.  I will try reading the first book of Ciphas Cain to see how it is.
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UberJumper posted:The second post of the OP says Angel Exterminatus is in the same category as Betrayer, Know no Fear, Legion, etc, and puts Outcast Dead under the "Good" category. It was most likely written by a heretic. Is Angel Exterminatus not very good? I was planning on listening to the audiobook soon.
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I would also recommend the Ciaphis Cain books.
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AndyElusive posted:Is Angel Exterminatus not very good? I was planning on listening to the audiobook soon. As ever its a question of personal taste. I wasn't around here when that book came out. Back then there might have been enough consensus from the posters to say that Angel exterminatus was good, or it might just be the op that thinks its good all his own. Id still give it a shot, its not unreadable(un-listenable in your case). If anything it includes some personal bits about Perturabo.
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Angel Exterminatus is actually hilarious once you realize Fulgrim's plan to sacrifice a primarch's life to Slaanesh in order to ascend to daemon-princehood went perfectly. Sorry for anyone who saw the improperly tagged spoiler. VanSandman fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 12:19
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VanSandman posted:Angel Exterminatus Check your tags
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:As ever its a question of personal taste. I wasn't around here when that book came out. Back then there might have been enough consensus from the posters to say that Angel exterminatus was good, or it might just be the op that thinks its good all his own. Id still give it a shot, its not unreadable(un-listenable in your case). If anything it includes some personal bits about Perturabo. A lot of the stuff in the OP I added based on consensus at the time. Angel Exterminatus was very well received by people in this thread when it came out. Anyway, the book is fine, not as good as Abnett/ADB's HH stuff but what is.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Angel Exterminatus was very well received by people in this thread when it came out. Anyway, the book is fine, not as good as Abnett/ADB's HH stuff but what is. It was? I thought it was a terrible generic marine novel with a magic mcguffin no one cared about.
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ed balls balls man posted:It was? I thought it was a terrible generic marine novel with a magic mcguffin no one cared about. People enjoyed the characterization of Perturabo.
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I liked it  I didnt think it was good, but it wasn't bad.
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Angel Exterminatus really diminished the Iron Warriors, one of my favorite legions, in my eyes. They come across as whiny, flat and uninteresting. It also spends way too much time being a prequel to Storm of Iron instead of fleshing out its own story. And the whole 'twist' with the eldar guides is really bad. However, it does offer some needed insights into Perturabo's reasons. And I liked some of the Fulgrim antics as he fully embraces his corruption. I quite disliked most of Know No Fear, though, so my opinion should be taken with a salt shaker or two.
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Sephyr posted:Angel Exterminatus really diminished the Iron Warriors, one of my favorite legions, in my eyes. They come across as whiny, flat and uninteresting. It also spends way too much time being a prequel to Storm of Iron instead of fleshing out its own story. And the whole 'twist' with the eldar guides is really bad. Know No Fear is great, it's Fear to Tread that's profoundly 'meh.' Full-Chaos Fulgrim is kind of hilariously dickish.
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4/5 of the way through Angel Exterminatus and while there have been some decent parts I have yet to read anything that actually redeems the literary VX-poison-gas-of-diarrhea that is Graham McNeill's writing. It's not just bad by standards of what works with 40k, it's simply bad by the standards of writing anything. I'm going to go re-read the Gaunt novel where they're on Gereon and pine for another Abnett/Bowden book to come out.
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Deptfordx posted:I would also recommend the Ciaphis Cain books. I am reading the first one and it is the most  40k book yet. It is a nice change of pace, and the writing is decent.I don't think Angel Exterminatus is a bad book, the characterization of Perturabo was decent, and fulgrim being fulgrim was enjoyable. The book overall is not horrible and doesn't deserve to be cast into the pit containing Battle of the Abyss. I just don't think it deserves to be in the same category as those genuinely good HH books.
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AE was probably one of the better McNeill books, but if you analyze his writing style its easy to see why people wouldn't like the way he writes. He is no ADB or DA but he can occasionally write a good book, but he is not exactly consistent in the good vs bad ratio.
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McNeill is at the level of mediocre competence where he can fill in some interesting events or stuff about the universe without the prose being so bad that it actively makes you want to stop reading and put it down. Or at least, that's my level of tolerance for it.
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Speaking of McNeill, is there a consensus about Thousand Sons? I just started it and got to this part. After a paragraph or two of description about one of the main character's sun-brown skin and dark hair etc....quote:She smiled down at him, and he gave her his best, most winning smile in return. It was a wasted effort; Camille’s appetites did not include the likes of him... Then the guy smiling at her starts talking about how fat he is, and she's all "oh no, you're not that fat, I promise."
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Thinking about modern characterization of legions and what nots, wouldn't it make sense for the Alpha Legion to be Tzeneetch aligned? I mean they're all about the plotting and deviousness right?
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Thousand Sons is actually one of my favorite HH books; I'd entirely forgotten McNeil wrote it. I had to push myself through a couple parts of Angel Exterminatus, but I remember tearing right through Thousand Sons. It's got a lot of great characterization for the legion and how they operate, and is pretty much a must-read if you're going to check out Prospero Burns afterwards.bunnyofdoom posted:Thinking about modern characterization of legions and what nots, wouldn't it make sense for the Alpha Legion to be Tzeneetch aligned? I mean they're all about the plotting and deviousness right? And while the Thousand Sons definitely represent the magicky aspect of Tzeentch, the Alpha Legion would most definitely represent the "endless plots and conspiracies" part of it. Then again, if they are, it would make perfect sense that they don't even realize they're part of Tzeentch's schemes. One Legged Cat fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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One Legged Cat posted:Thousand Sons is actually one of my favorite HH books; I'd entirely forgotten McNeil wrote it. I had to push myself through a couple parts of Angel Exterminatus, but I remember tearing right through Thousand Sons. It's got a lot of great characterization for the legion and how they operate, and is pretty much a must-read if you're going to check out Prospero Burns afterwards. Cool, I'm just starting it and that part just struck me as really goony. I just finished Prospero Burns, though, which I really enjoyed, so I'm looking forward to seeing the other side of the last part of that.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Thinking about modern characterization of legions and what nots, wouldn't it make sense for the Alpha Legion to be Tzeneetch aligned? I mean they're all about the plotting and deviousness right? I believe they were lumped in with Tzeench in one of the RPG books so they might be, but you'll never know...
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Sharkie posted:Cool, I'm just starting it and that part just struck me as really goony. I just finished Prospero Burns, though, which I really enjoyed, so I'm looking forward to seeing the other side of the last part of that. Considering the Thousand Sons are basically the goons of the various legions, this shouldn't surprise you.
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VanSandman posted:Considering the Thousand Sons are basically the goons of the various legions, this shouldn't surprise you. I get the feeling the only reason goons like Angel Exterminatus is because Perturabo is definitely the other runner up for goon-appeal primarch, hiding out in his secret nerdcave bitterly muttering about how nobody respects him.
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VanSandman posted:Considering the Thousand Sons are basically the goons of the various legions, this shouldn't surprise you. Tutelary spirits are basically waifus, got it.
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Sharkie posted:Tutelary spirits are basically waifus, got it. "T-Tzeentch-senpai..."
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I would have thought the ADTRW crowd would have gone for Slaanesh, but I guess Tzeentch does bring tentacles to the party.
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If I was looking to get into the ADB Night Lords series, how important is it that I read Lord of Night first? A friend loaned it to me and said that there were a lot of references to it in the ADB series but I'm a couple chapters in and it seems pretty dire.
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Not important at all. There's a few references, but nothing in the Night Lords books depends on you having read Lord of Night.
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PantsOptional posted:If I was looking to get into the ADB Night Lords series, how important is it that I read Lord of Night first? A friend loaned it to me and said that there were a lot of references to it in the ADB series but I'm a couple chapters in and it seems pretty dire. Really? I quite liked it. It does establish one central fact, though, by the end of the book: The Eldar HATE the Night Lords.
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Yeah, but even the Night Lords hate the Night Lords. Everybody hates the Night Lords.
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I actually read ADB's Night Lords trilogy first, and am reading Lord of the Night right now. You could definitely start on either, but I really liked starting off reading about a ship full of Night Lords and then moving on to Lord of the Night, which is about a single one set loose on a hive city. Both are great, and I'm finding myself really hoping that Simon Spurrier writes more 40k; like ADB, he really seems to get what's so great about the setting. vvv Well drat. I figured I would've heard his name more often if he was still putting out books of that quality, so that makes sense. One Legged Cat fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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One Legged Cat posted:I actually read ADB's Night Lords trilogy first, and am reading Lord of the Night right now. You could definitely start on either, but I really liked starting off reading about a ship full of Night Lords and then moving on to Lord of the Night, which is about a single one set loose on a hive city. Both are great, and I'm finding myself really hoping that Simon Spurrier writes more 40k; like ADB, he really seems to get what's so great about the setting. Spurrier hasn't written for BL in 8 years, so...don't hold your breath. Though I guess they got Bill King to come back so you never know.
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Totally offtopic here but a long time ago someone made a brilliant description of Chaos in the warhammer universe. Did anyone save this post so I can put it in my warhammer.txt?
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VanSandman posted:"T-Tzeentch-senpai..." Oh, screw you! I was doing such a good job keeping my new notebook crumb-free, then I was eating a croissant (ahem, -medialuna-) and scrolling down and snorted half of it right into my keyboard laughing. And if it seems Alpha Legion is aligned with Tzeentch, they are certainly Nurgle groupies. Or possibly a 5th chaos god that may or may not exist. Back on book talk, I finished Path of the Incubus today. It's maybe a 7 out of 10. It's also the least self-contained book from Black Library other than the Horus trilogy; if you didn't read Path of the Outcast, you'll be grasping at many straws through most of it. On the bright side, it does give a lot of insight into one of the coolest characters of the first book, and had some entertaining antics on the part of the resident Harlequin. On the other, it reads like the author grabbed the codex and made a checklist of what toys to include, alphabetically. "Alright, Agonizer, gotta put in one of these. And Desintegrators, that sounds cool too. One of each pain engine. I should drop a special character, too. Are we still on D? Drazhar it is!" The whole thing feels like one of those disaster movies from the 1970s; a motley cast of characters trying to escape the volcano/earthquake/killing trees/night of the lepus, feuding along the way and having choice members snuffed here and there. I also finished Dark Disciple, but good grief, it was bad. It pretty much self-destructed in my mind the moment I put it down.
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Mikojan posted:Totally offtopic here but a long time ago someone made a brilliant description of Chaos in the warhammer universe. My favorite is from the simple english wikipedia article: Chaos Space Marines must kill everything and let the galaxies burn. I tried something recently- I asked my wife to read the night lords trilogy. Her exposure to 40k has pretty much been seeing (and sometimes smelling) guys playing it in stores- she's looked through some of the art books and her understanding of the setting basically comes from the "in the grim darkness" blurb at the front of the books. She really enjoyed them. She had me show her some of the things mentioned in the books, like the size of a marine versus a human (her initial impression was that the marines were normal sized men inside the armor) and a couple of other things as they came up. She really appreciated the human characters and kinda approached everything from their viewpoint- she liked not knowing everything about the marines (like what exactly the exalted was), it made them (even the "good guys- especially the descriptions of the blood angels' dreadnought) really strange, mysterious and generally terrifying. She commented that even if I don't really identify with the lords directly, my grasp of the setting kinda has me observing their conversations from "above"- I know how incredibly hosed up the 40k universe can be. Even though I didn't know specific plot points, I knew what to expect. Before she started reading, they were guys in metal suits that probably lead relatively normal lives outside of their suits. Her favorite aspect was ADB's manipulation of her perception- being kinda in awe of Talos when he rescues Eurydice and then very explicitly reminded that he and the other lords are for real boogeymen that do incredibly horrifying things to innocent, defenseless people.
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