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You can easily get to waaaay overpowered enemies within the first 30 minutes in 11 and 14, too. 
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Dr. Eldarion posted:You can easily get to waaaay overpowered enemies within the first 30 minutes in 11 and 14, too. Man nothing in 11 ever stops being overpowered. I remember getting to the point where some mobs were so low in level you got 0 exp from killing them and I still couldn't solo some of them.
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Apr 16, 2014 14:19
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Dr. Eldarion posted:You can easily get to waaaay overpowered enemies within the first 30 minutes in 11 Oh, you mean the cute little bunny rabbits.
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Apr 16, 2014 14:23
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The White Dragon posted:You can fight Grand Dragons and Garudas on Disc 1 in FF9, too. Yeah but this is intentional. There is a Moogle that even warns the player about it. What may not have been intentional is the fact that Quina can defeat Grand Dragons with reasonable ease very early on and it becomes completely trivial a little later when lvl5 Death becomes accessible.
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Apr 16, 2014 14:32
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Xavier434 posted:Yeah but this is intentional. There is a Moogle that even warns the player about it. What may not have been intentional is the fact that Quina can defeat Grand Dragons with reasonable ease very early on and it becomes completely trivial a little later when lvl5 Death becomes accessible. The thing is that most of those types of early monsters are very daunting, but very much beatable with tangible rewards. You're meant to use a Chocobo to get to the Mythril Mines, but with Poison or some other means you can beat the Midgar Zolom, and possibly even get Beta. T-Rexaurs are the 'big' enemy early on in FFVIII, but you can still beat them handily with status effects. There's even a tutorial on it. Grand Dragons, as mentioned, have ways of beating them down. Coral Ring, Quina, etc.
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Apr 16, 2014 14:57
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Right. My point is that Peninsula's of Power are a bug as a result of how the random encounters in old FF games were distributed throughout the world. Things like Grand Dragons are intentional and optional for players who seek a big challenge which sometimes include big rewards.
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Apr 16, 2014 15:07
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Fedule posted:FFXII had a whole ton of areas you can go to loooong before you're "supposed" to, as well as a few very powerful but docile enemies that show up even in places you are supposed to be. Most notably the Feywood (and the section of Golmore Jungle leading up to it), though which you can cut instead of fighting that one boss. There're also a lot of optional areas that will gladly kill you but won't stop you from going in long before it's a good idea, like the Necrohol of Nabudis and the Zertinan Caverns. gently caress those loving sheep. You can't grind off them, you just can't. They are harder than motherfucking Ozma, I swear to christ. At least Ozma has a chance for the luck roulette to favor YOU--those sheep will just murder you or mock you, win or lose, and victory has such high costs you just wouldn't...it just isn't worth it. I loved FF12's crew of bonus monsters though. That game was PACKED with bonus boss battles, hidden monsters, optional super bosses and all that jazz. A pity that the last bosses don't really play that well--the battle system is really good, but it doesn't get a good function when your biggest challenge is simply an outrageous sack of HP. I think there's a strategy you just plug in for the most powerful boss, and then you walk away for three hours and it fights it out to victory? Oh, but you need to come back in the last act of the fight because it goes berserk and starts to break pattern I THINK it has been awhile.
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Apr 16, 2014 15:36
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Screw XII's hidden/super bosses, giving all of them constant, non stop, non dispellable invincibility is just plain retarded. Just screw that.
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Apr 16, 2014 15:42
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BottledBodhisvata posted:gently caress those loving sheep. You can't grind off them, you just can't. They are harder than motherfucking Ozma, I swear to christ. At least Ozma has a chance for the luck roulette to favor YOU--those sheep will just murder you or mock you, win or lose, and victory has such high costs you just wouldn't...it just isn't worth it. It's easy to forget since status ailments are so worthless in FF9 (because everything dies so fast) but Yans are vulnerable to Sleep, and Quina gets a super-accurate sleep move that hits everything onscreen. Hell, I don't think you're meant to fight them without Night since they Snort away your party as a counter to anything targeting them. I mean, it still makes Yans a crappy leveling source since you need Quina and someone good with magic when Quina can just one-shot Grand Dragons, but they're consistently beatable.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I think there's a strategy you just plug in for the most powerful boss, and then you walk away for three hours and it fights it out to victory? Oh, but you need to come back in the last act of the fight because it goes berserk and starts to break pattern I THINK it has been awhile. In IZJS thanks to superior optimization you can run roughshod over him because the damage cap is gone and your grid is way more specced out. I killed him before he ever got his invulnerability paling to finish casting. Its still the dumbest mechanic in an FF game because holy crap there is nothing less fun than "just sit here tanking their damage for the next 1:30 because we didn't have a way to prevent you from just nuking it down"
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Apr 16, 2014 16:08
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Krad posted:Screw XII's hidden/super bosses, giving all of them constant, non stop, non dispellable invincibility is just plain retarded. Just screw that. Aren't the only optional espers that use Paling Exodus (at the very end, where you're supposed to pierce his Reflect status with your own reflected spells or Opal Rings) and Zodiark (who I admit is kind of a dumb fight)? Hell Wyrm, Omega Mk.12, and Yiazmat don't have palings, for example.
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Apr 16, 2014 16:10
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The long gui in ffxiii-2 is a loving joke compared to ffxiii
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Oh hey Dark Valefor, I bet you're not so to-- oh I'm dead. Okay...well...good thing I don't have to go back to that town anytime soon. But drat. Daaaayuuuuum. The hell am I supposed to beat this mother? He wasn't in the FFX I played. 
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Apr 16, 2014 16:34
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Celestial Weapons and super good equipment.
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Apr 16, 2014 16:35
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Oh hey Dark Valefor, I bet you're not so to-- I remember beating Dark Valefor by accident the first time around ten years ago, that guy's a complete joke compared to the rest. Hell if I remember what I had or did though.  E: Without break damage limit they're not worth the trouble though. Kanfy fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 16:37
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Oh hey Dark Valefor, I bet you're not so to-- I have never fought any of the dark aeons since I never got my hands on the international version of the game, but I have beaten everything else in the original FFX. While not always a strict optimization rule, you usually want to start with this for any of the super bosses in this game: 1. As many Celestial weapons as you can stomach. 2. Armor with 4 empty slots. 2 of those slots should always have auto haste and auto protect. The rest is up to you. I am often a fan of auto phoenix for the 3rd slot and the 4th slot being a bit of a wildcard. 3. Max out at least two paths for each character on the sphere grid and also make sure to grab some key abilities using various special spheres. You will often need more sphere grid grinding than this of course, but this is supposed to represent a minimum before even bothering to try. Depends on the boss, your skill, and your level of patience. That's a start. The rest gets to be more encounter specific.
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Xavier434 posted:I have never fought any of the dark aeons since I never got my hands on the international version of the game, but I have beaten everything else in the original FFX. While not always a strict optimization rule, you usually want to start with this for any of the super bosses in this game: Is there any particularly effective way to grind? I remember some guide using Overdrive >>> AP conversion to get you 99 Sphere Points if you left your game overnight or something weird like that.
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Get overdrive to ap weapons Get triple overdrive on the same weapon Get double overdrive on the same weapon Have one guy, the guy who's killed the most dudes (auron or wakka most likely) be set to the one that gains overdrive on taking damage Have everyone else set to the one that gains overdrive upon seeing another person take damage Guy who's taking damage is tank, everyone else is support Enter monster arena battle against the giant tonberry It does iirc 1000 damage for every monster that player has killed when hit, as a counterattack Have rikku mix up whatever mix gains everyone overdrive at a faster rate (it's 3x I think) Then just have your tank hit the tonberry every chance he or she can (use quick hits if possible) until the giant tonberry finally gets to you, then you run away because it will do a 99999 damage attack against all of your party members
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Apr 16, 2014 16:55
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Is there any particularly effective way to grind? I remember some guide using Overdrive >>> AP conversion to get you 99 Sphere Points if you left your game overnight or something weird like that. Creating weapons for your whole party with Triple Overdrive, Triple AP, and Overdrive > AP and fighting, creating armors with Auto-Phoenix, and then fighting Don Tonberries will get you 99 sphere levels in a couple minutes. Even with Double OD/AP, you'll get at least 50 easily in the same timeframe, just by hitting X while doing something else. As for Dark Valefor, once you get your Celestial weapons and do just a little bit of rudimentary grinding, he'll be a pushover in no time at all. The only thing you need to worry about is tanking his Overdrive, but Auto-Life or tanking it with a Summon will work perfectly fine.
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Also the trick to any and all bosses is hastega + quick hits + break damage limit + mix + gifting rikku all of your overdrives + having every aeon fully charged Most importantly it's hastega + quick hits, with break damage limit you do an absolutely ludicrous amount of damage
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Apr 16, 2014 16:58
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Just Yojimbo them. Restart every single time it doesn't Zanmato, and save after every time it does.
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Apr 16, 2014 17:03
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Gologle posted:Just Yojimbo them. Restart every single time it doesn't Zanmato, and save after every time it does. Sure, Zanmato them all. If you're a pussy. 
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Apr 16, 2014 17:06
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Gologle posted:Just Yojimbo them. Restart every single time it doesn't Zanmato, and save after every time it does. Honestly just maxing everyone's sphere grid and abusing quick hits is more satisfying and less tedious
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Apr 16, 2014 17:11
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I'm a bit lost, what's the point of fighting the optional superbosses if you're not actually gonna fight them? Zanmato is the "I can't beat this boss and I just want to continue the loving story already"-button.
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Apr 16, 2014 17:46
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To get a trophy. You need to beat the Dark Aeons to have access to Penance, iirc.
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Instant Grat posted:I'm a bit lost, what's the point of fighting the optional superbosses if you're not actually gonna fight them? The simple answer: Trophies there is one for beating Penance who you can only fight after beating all the dark aeons which itself is required for the platinum.
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Instant Grat posted:I'm a bit lost, what's the point of fighting the optional superbosses if you're not actually gonna fight them? Zanmato is the "I can't beat this boss and I just want to continue the loving story already"-button. covering the entire sphere grid and then using quick hit over and over isn't? it's just as trivial, with hours more grinding
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Instant Grat posted:I'm a bit lost, what's the point of fighting the optional superbosses if you're not actually gonna fight them? Zanmato is the "I can't beat this boss and I just want to continue the loving story already"-button. What if you just want the items you may have missed in any of the areas that the dark aeons block off? Also can't you not summon Yojimbo versus his dark version making him a brick wall if you haven't grinded to crazy levels?
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Apr 16, 2014 18:09
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Dragonatrix posted:There's even one in IV, though it's harder to know its there because its behind a mountain. It's also significantly less worth it, but it's there all the same.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Wait, is there? I know about the strip of land on the left side of the underworld with a unique encounter table, but I haven't heard of this before. Between Mt Ordeals and Mysidia there's a mountain by the coast to the north-ish with a tile of land in front of it that looks inaccessible. Despite that, you can walk around it; if you do so, and continue onwards a bit you'll find Troia's monsters. Like I said, not too useful but it's there all the same.
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Dragonatrix posted:Between Mt Ordeals and Mysidia there's a mountain by the coast to the north-ish with a tile of land in front of it that looks inaccessible. Despite that, you can walk around it; if you do so, and continue onwards a bit you'll find Troia's monsters. Like I said, not too useful but it's there all the same. "Not too Useful" meaning you can quickly grind out a solid 10+ levels in a handful of encounters. It's pretty great.
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Eh, Palom and Porom get more than strong enough to steamroll everything ever from just getting there/through Mt Ordeals. Cecil's wasted going there pre-class change since it doesn't help at all and doing it afterwards is redundant and pointless when Mt Ordeals is right there.
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You can do some wiggling in the mountains/coast north of Mount Ordeals, to be able to fight enemies from T(o)roia area. If you want to grind out levels on the twins and aren't playing a version of the game where you get them back for endgame, it's a not-completely-horrible place to do it. e:f;b
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Apr 16, 2014 18:24
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gently caress yeah butterfly catching is done! That only took... two hours of trying over and over again.
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Golden Goat posted:Also can't you not summon Yojimbo versus his dark version making him a brick wall if you haven't grinded to crazy levels? You can, you just have to get it five times in a row. Instant Grat posted:Zanmato is the "this boss is stupid, I'm just going to skip it"-button. Fixed that for you. I don't know why anybody would want to fight Penance fairly.
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If you live in Europe/Aus and are on the fence about Lightning Returns, this might clinch it; it's on sale! Was £39.99/€59.99/$89.95, now £19.99/€24.99/$29.95. That's not half bad!
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Fedule posted:If you live in Europe/Aus and are on the fence about Lightning Returns, this might clinch it; it's on sale! Was £39.99/€59.99/$89.95, now £19.99/€24.99/$29.95. That's not half bad!
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Apr 16, 2014 19:58
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Prices for videogames in Australia are crazy for some reason or other.
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McDragon posted:Prices for videogames in Australia are crazy for some reason or other. That sucks.
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