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XyrlocShammypants posted:I will preface this by saying I have never read a Dresden blog, rarely post or read here unless I have a question or thought and I am currently on "Changes," maybe a quarter of the way through. Every single book I finish leads me to the same conclusion: we have met the man behind it all. The man behind the Black Council and perhaps everything. You don't have to spoiler text speculation. Besides, I seriously doubt a being as arrogant as Ferrovax would be slinking about in the background, if he acts at all.
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Fried Chicken posted:Bullets aren't iron and if it was Mab couldn't have touched it I guess that's true, though how she grabbed the gun is another issue. To the guy who doesn't post in forums much but is currently reading changes...please post your thoughts post changes, most of the people in this thread love getting reactions from readers as they go through the series.
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Oroborus posted:I guess that's true, though how she grabbed the gun is another issue. Wood handle, no iron
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The barrel and the slide are going to be steel, but it's quite possible that the grip/trigger/etc are going to be polymer.
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Wade Wilson posted:You don't have to spoiler text speculation. Besides, I seriously doubt a being as arrogant as Ferrovax would be slinking about in the background, if he acts at all. Why not? If his goal is to destroy the Courts, to punish the fae and to hurt the White Council he probably can't do it out in the open? It's somewhat unclear what he wants in a 'balance' but hastening the destruction of many players to establish that balance seems like what has been going on the entire series.
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If you're interested in the upcoming Dresden Lives LARP ruleset, Evil Hat is taking playtest applications.
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SageSepthAtWork posted:Wood handle, no iron i'm not a gun guy, i know the winchester he had was wood, but at that moment it was the ankle gun murphy carries. Do they make wooden handguns? In the end it doesn't matter it could be "she was wearing gloves" I was just curious.
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Oroborus posted:i'm not a gun guy, i know the winchester he had was wood, but at that moment it was the ankle gun murphy carries. Do they make wooden handguns? In the end it doesn't matter it could be "she was wearing gloves" I was just curious. No and no. Even guns that have wooden grips still have a center of steel for the frame - none of them are truly wood-handled like you're thinking. I can take pics of my 1911 and Ruger if it will help you visualize it.
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OptimusWang posted:No and no. Even guns that have wooden grips still have a center of steel for the frame - none of them are truly wood-handled like you're thinking. I can take pics of my 1911 and Ruger if it will help you visualize it. Almost anything could have a rubberized grip though.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Almost anything could have a rubberized grip though. Hogues are a drat blight upon firearms, but you have a point. I've also seen some terrible, tactilol poo poo done with grip tape so I guess anything is possible; I just never pictured Murphy (or Dresden, for that matter) doing that stuff to her pistols.
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Fried Chicken posted:Bullets aren't iron and if it was Mab couldn't have touched it For the most part that's true, but some ammunition has a steel core to increase penetration, and they make steel shotgun ammunition specifically for waterfowl. The steel core ammo used to be really easy to come by because almost all of the surplus 7.62 was steel core, it was the cheap stuff. Now days most of those rounds are probably in prepers' basements, or comparatively expensive. The steel shotgun shells are only marginally more expensive and easy to find because some states require them out of fear that lead shot will poison the water table. On the other hand since it's for birds it's very small shot so it wouldn't be very effective for defense(this is the stuff an octogenarian walked off after Cheney shot him), but against fae it would go right through defenses and the target would suddenly have over 400 painful, burning, and incapacitating pellets to dig out before they're going to be doing much of anything. Could be interesting. They also sell the pellets separately in 20lb bags, if say Waldo wanted to get creative. I was thinking explosives, but they're small enough you could glue them to pretty much anything you wanted to make painful to fae. Oh, and relative size is the big reason they aren't very effective. Waterfowl shells would be devastating against say, Toot and the Za' guard. An inch deep 2mm wide wound channel matters a lot more when you're only an inch thick. OptimusWang posted:Hogues are a drat blight upon firearms, but you have a point. I've also seen some terrible, tactilol poo poo done with grip tape so I guess anything is possible; I just never pictured Murphy (or Dresden, for that matter) doing that stuff to her pistols. I could easily see her backup gun being a Glock or Kel-tec, and they're almost all polymer except the slide and barrel. Most concealed carry guns have as little steel as possible to keep the weight down. On a completely different note, next time Toot-Toot really pulls through, Dresden should buy one of these for him: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-1516-general-lee-mini-sword.aspx Little guy would flip out. Dr. MonkeyThunder fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Couldn't the parasite that allowed her to outright lie also have affected the whole iron thing?
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Maeve was infected with Nemesis, not Mab.
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Scintilla posted:Maeve was infected with Nemesis, not Mab. This is what I get for posting so late and thinking too clearly. I'd leave it at "was wearing gloves" or "was a polymer framed gun" then. I want to say that Murphy carries a glock of osme variety and that it's been menitoned as such before, but I'm not 100% sure.
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I feel bad for Ferrovax. Given what happened to the other powerful magical creature that got a gift at that party...
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Wittgen posted:I feel bad for Ferrovax. Given what happened to the other powerful magical creature that got a gift at that party... Ferrovax is a big D Dragon (despite XyrlocShammypants's claims that the story and the author are wrong), Mab was able to cleanse Leanansidhe, Ferrovax may have avoided it or may have been able to handle it.
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Eh, Butcher has said we'll see Ferrovax again in the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy, but probably not before. He'll probably be put on the chopping block to show how badass the Outsiders really are or something.
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SpookyLizard posted:This is what I get for posting so late and thinking too clearly. I'd leave it at "was wearing gloves" or "was a polymer framed gun" then. I want to say that Murphy carries a glock of osme variety and that it's been menitoned as such before, but I'm not 100% sure. Usually Butcher has her carrying a Sig of some variety, and occasionally a 1911 as well.
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I think Ferrovax, like everyone and everything else that was at Bianca's party, will prove to be important in some way, sure. I don't quite see Dude What Showed Up For Five Minutes This One Time as the secret power behind the throne. His being allied with/subverted the Black Council/Nemesis is certainly not out of the question, though I don't think we know enough to be sure either way.
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I tend to agree that Ferrovax isn't The Big Bad, but will certainly turn out to be A big deal. I think the more important part is his name, Ferrovax, since it contains the root Ferro, meaning Iron. Could he prove an enemy of the Faeries? Mab has referred to technology as Ferromancy before, maybe Ferrovax is equivelent to Mage: the Awakening's Tehcnomancers, hiding magic in plain sight as circuit boards and modernity.
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Just got caught up on this series. I started about two years ago and burned out after Death Masks, then picked it back up a couple of months ago and just finished Cold Days five minutes ago, which was pretty excellent.ConfusedUs posted:And I still contend that the final set piece at the end of [Grave Peril] is the most important scene in the series. Almost every major plot in the subsequent books can trace their origins back to there. I had this quote in my mind all through the last couple of books, wondering if it still held true and concluding mid-way through Cold Days that it probably wasn't that relevant to to the story any more. And then right at the end, wham. Everything is still absolutely predicated on poo poo that happened at Bianca's party.
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We've just about closed off the masquerade as the lynchpin of the series. Changes is taking its place.
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Grave Peril was the first episode of the first season, Changes and Ghost Story were the two-part season finale, Cold Days the season premier for the second season.
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ConfusedUs posted:We've just about closed off the masquerade as the lynchpin of the series. Changes is taking its place. I'm not so sure I agree with that. Changes is obviously a lynchpin of the series, but it's still all fallout from Bianca's party, and the plot of Cold Days starts there as well. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Grave Peril was the first episode of the first season, Changes and Ghost Story were the two-part season finale, Cold Days the season premier for the second season. Yeah, this.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I tend to agree that Ferrovax isn't The Big Bad, but will certainly turn out to be A big deal. I think the more important part is his name, Ferrovax, since it contains the root Ferro, meaning Iron. Could he prove an enemy of the Faeries? Mab has referred to technology as Ferromancy before, maybe Ferrovax is equivelent to Mage: the Awakening's Tehcnomancers, hiding magic in plain sight as circuit boards and modernity. This makes me wonder if dragons in the Dresdenverse somehow represent primal forces as in some real-world mythologies. It could be pretty interesting if Ferrovax turns out to be something like the dragon aspect of technology. It would explain how crazy powerful he is given the rapid technological advancement of the last 100 years and the subsequent widespread adoption of things like computers and then smartphones.
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fermun posted:Ferrovax is a big D Dragon (despite XyrlocShammypants's claims that the story and the author are wrong), Mab was able to cleanse Leanansidhe, Ferrovax may have avoided it or may have been able to handle it. I thought Butcher himself said that he was a small D dragon, but the most powerful of his kind. My understanding was a big D dragon won't ever appear in the books, and are near divine beings with phenomenal power over the natural and supernatural world. So while Ferrovax is the biggest of the small D dragons, he's still not a big D dragon.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:I thought Butcher himself said that he was a small D dragon, but the most powerful of his kind. My understanding was a big D dragon won't ever appear in the books, and are near divine beings with phenomenal power over the natural and supernatural world. So while Ferrovax is the biggest of the small D dragons, he's still not a big D dragon. Kinda backwards on that. quote:http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,11033.msg494010.html quote:http://bittenbybooks.com/jim-butcher-qa-and-contest-live-here/ Tunicate fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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So that makes him even more important then. Thanks for the info! The Butcher blog appears to have their poo poo far more straight (obviously) than the major Dresden wikis which I consulted for the first time. Also, again, I am not a Dresden fan boy or anything, so if I get something wrong, don't take it as an affront to the Butcher universe or something :P Shammypants fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Also, it looks like Bitten By Books has a really sucky comment system or something, since it cuts off every answer from Jim that includes a '. So if he says isn't, the message just ends with isn. I'm guessing we can lay the blame on Word's smartquotes, but still, annoying.
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I wonder what Butcher's idea of Death is. I know Skin Game will involve Hades and the underworld in some way, but a lot of fiction separates the two. Death would be another example of a "force of nature" like apparently Dragons are. Not beholden to any specific religious dogma or philosophy, just the literal embodiment of entropy that has always existed in our universe.
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Rugpisser posted:Didn't Death make an appearance during Ghost Story, when Forthill gets beaten up
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Nihilarian posted:IIRC, that was an angel of death, rather than death itself. And one of many, to boot. Not even one with that title so much as a guardian to see to it Forthill gets to go to his reward without being tortured by evil spirits first.
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I was listening to a butcher Q&A from Kansas city and he said The last time a faerie queen died before recently was the last time there was a star born . I guess that means Harry isn't the only one.
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Oroborus posted:I was listening to a butcher Q&A from Kansas city and he said The last time a faerie queen died before recently was the last time there was a star born . I guess that means Harry isn't the only one. So back in Summer Knight When Aurora dies there was another starborn involved? Maybe Elaine is a starborn.
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Error 404 posted:So back in Summer Knight When Aurora dies there was another starborn involved? Maybe Elaine is a starborn. I'm guessing the "before recently" there means it in fae terms. Maybe Merlin was a starborn?
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Arcsech posted:I'm guessing the "before recently" there means it in fae terms. Maybe Merlin was a starborn? That is along the lines of what I was thinking.
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Dr. MonkeyThunder posted:Against fae it would go right through defenses and the target would suddenly have over 400 painful, burning, and incapacitating pellets to dig out before they're going to be doing much of anything. Could be interesting. They also sell the pellets separately in 20lb bags, if say Waldo wanted to get creative. I was thinking explosives, but they're small enough you could glue them to pretty much anything you wanted to make painful to fae. Wow. By this logic, a claymore - with its wonderful load of ball bearings - would tear through a battalion of fae like Toot through a pizza. Tell me this isn't something that Kincaid hasn't considered...
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