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Yeah, either Heyman has been cooking up a good story about how ECW went bankrupt or he was telling the truth. Either way, it did sound like he was stuck where he couldn't run ECW as it was anymore without TV time, and was owed a bunch of money from the PPV providers. In the end, he also says that he didn't come to WWF to be a commentator, but Jerry Lawler quit and Vince basically begged him to do it.
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ICHIBAHN posted:Bubba is wresting smart. Let's make that distinction. He's still a loving moron.
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I totally made Meltzer's point about the TNA brand being a negative draw in either this thread or the TNA thread, as compared to The AJ Styles Show ft. Random Jobbers Off the Streets.
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oatgan posted:
I still find myself laughing at oatgan calling Global Force Wrestling "Hee-Haw with wrestling matches".
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Has anyone listened to Roddy Piper's podcast yet?
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achillesforever6 posted:He seems to know his trivia though if that episode of The Weakest Link is anything to go by It's not.
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Gaz-L posted:And he wouldn't be much of a promoter if he didn't have confidence in his product, so I'm sure he believes ECW was good enough to succeed if he'd gotten a good TV outlet. (Not being snide but) did you listen to his interview? It's not about confidence in the product, it's about having good enough distribution to keep the product alive. That deal wouldn't have provided that.
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ICHIBAHN posted:(Not being snide but) did you listen to his interview? It's not about confidence in the product, it's about having good enough distribution to keep the product alive. That deal wouldn't have provided that. I know. My point is that he's not lying, at least not consciously, about believing he had the product part of the equation, even though a big argument is that said product had niche appeal at best. It's hard to be a good promoter if you don't have faith in what you're promoting. The fallback TV deal would've been putting a braindead ECW on life support
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MassRafTer posted:I think I need to download Deer Hunter Two Thousand Fourteen on the app store or Google Play. Don't forget to bring your shotgun as your backup weapon.
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:Don't forget to bring your shotgun as your backup weapon. I would be lying if I said I wasn't intrigued by the Dollar Shave Club. I laughed as he read the ad, then he says "And you can get bi-monthly plans too" I was like "Perhaps this shave club is for me." He's also convinced me my electrified rat fence probably isn't tall enough either. Back to the question on Heyman, after listening to it, that was definitely the most honest version of the story you'll get from Heyman but there is a thick coat of bullshit. He makes it sound like they were really close at the end but in reality there was a talent exodus due to the lack of pay and the debts were more than he's letting on. By saying they were 7 million in the hole, but 4 of that was too his family and he was owed 2.8 million by the PPV companies and you go "Wow, if they had that money, they'd be OK!" In reality the debts were 8.8 million with several "unknowns" on the slate, so it was likely well over 9. While the PPV companies owed him money, he also owed them money, so it isn't as clear cut as he said. So at the end of the day they would still have a bunch of debt. I hadn't heard about the daily Fox Sports Network show before, so that was interesting. I had only heard about an RSN deal in Ohio that Dreamer had found. Overall it was a really interesting look at the death of ECW from Heyman's perspective, and if you remember Heyman is carnie for liar you'll learn something!
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MassRafTer posted:I think I need to download Deer Hunter Two Thousand Fourteen on the app store or Google Play. I don't know, I'm not sure whether or not I can shoot animals as they attack me or not.
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Jerusalem posted:I don't know, I'm not sure whether or not I can shoot animals as they attack me or not. I'm also not sure if I want to track deer and engage in all of the stealth aspects of hunting, it'd be nice if I could just shoot some deer with friends.
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MassRafTer posted:...and if you remember Heyman is carnie for liar... ...holy poo poo, that is subtly brilliant.
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I am listening to the Paul Heyman episodes and jesus christ I could listen to Paul talk literally forever
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I don't get it.
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MassRafTer posted:I'm also not sure if I want to track deer and engage in all of the stealth aspects of hunting, it'd be nice if I could just shoot some deer with friends. Then Texas style deer hunting is right up your alley
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Of course he runs a marketing business, he can talk you into anything. His idol is probably that record executive he talked about who sold his indie label for millions and bought it back for pennies twice.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:I am listening to the Paul Heyman episodes and jesus christ I could listen to Paul talk literally forever As I was listening I found myself thinking it's a shame he's on the WWE roster because I want him to have a podcast, and then weighed whether I'd get more enjoyment from his promos or from hearing him talk about whatever for an hour a week. Decisions decisions.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:I am listening to the Paul Heyman episodes and jesus christ I could listen to Paul talk literally forever Best part is that the two interviews were several hours apart, and in those intervening hours Austin and Heyman CONTINUED to just shoot the poo poo and discuss stuff till Austin decided to start recording again.
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MassRafTer posted:As I was listening I found myself thinking it's a shame he's on the WWE roster because I want him to have a podcast, and then weighed whether I'd get more enjoyment from his promos or from hearing him talk about whatever for an hour a week. Decisions decisions. Give me the podcast in an instant. For as amusing as Austin doing copy material is, Heyman would be even better.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:I am listening to the Paul Heyman episodes and jesus christ I could listen to Paul talk literally forever The end of the firing story was pretty funny for an exclusive.
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ICHIBAHN posted:I don't get it. Carny in this case refers to the language used by carnies, sometimes called pallary or something similar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlyaree Luigi Thirty posted:Of course he runs a marketing business, he can talk you into anything. His idol is probably that record executive he talked about who sold his indie label for millions and bought it back for pennies twice. Yeah, the way he talked about this dude was with nothing but reverence and respect.
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BlueArmyMan posted:Give me the podcast in an instant. For as amusing as Austin doing copy material is, Heyman would be even better. "Man, Paul's right, I could totally use an infected needle jammed into my eye!"
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MassRafTer posted:As I was listening I found myself thinking it's a shame he's on the WWE roster because I want him to have a podcast, and then weighed whether I'd get more enjoyment from his promos or from hearing him talk about whatever for an hour a week. Decisions decisions. That Brock promo post Wrestlemania was almost worth the streak being broken for. Also you could have given ECW 10 million to pay off all their debts and I still don't think they could have gone anywhere.
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I think the weird thing with Heymans story about the firing is... he seemed to not just explain what he explained to Austin "This is exactly what I was doing, I wasn't listening in, I was in bed, I didn't put the phone blah blah blah." The way he puts it made him sound like... well like when Vince called him out after the Rumble, the whole "That wasn't my voice" Could have been the way he told the story, but all I was thinking was "Tell the truth"
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I thought it was all just build-up for the punchline, not that I would put it past Heyman to make something like this up. Great story either way.
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Onmi posted:Could have been the way he told the story, but all I was thinking was "Tell the truth" I don't think that's possible for Paul.
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Heyman's stories are made so much better by Austin's response to them. Hearing him slowly crack up as the firing story unfolded was great and you ended up getting quite how much affection they have for each other. "Jesus Christ. You're a piece of work."
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MassRafTer posted:He makes it sound like they were really close at the end but in reality there was a talent exodus due to the lack of pay and the debts were more than he's letting on. He even talks about it in the family friendly episode when Austin asks him whether ECW would've really had mass market appeal if they'd managed to land a decent TV deal considering how extreme and violent their product was, and Heyman explains they ended up gravitating towards bloody brawls because at the end all the talent capable of doing more than that had left. You know poo poo is bad if Paul Heyman can't even really convince you it was ever going to work.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Heyman's stories are made so much better by Austin's response to them. Hearing him slowly crack up as the firing story unfolded was great and you ended up getting quite how much affection they have for each other. That story was amazing.
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Where's part one of the Heyman interview? In itunes and on the podcast one site it just has part two and I want to listen to ALL of Heyman's bullshit. Edit: Nevermind it seems it's a clean episode. Stone Cold, clean? Weird.
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Poison Jam posted:Where's part one of the Heyman interview? In itunes and on the podcast one site it just has part two and I want to listen to ALL of Heyman's bullshit. Under "Clean"
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Yeah I knew Paul was full of poo poo that entire story and the minute he got to the punchline I was like AHA! It's our ol' "I'm a booker and I've lied every day of my life but I'm telling the truth this time" Paul Heyman
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On the basis that I enjoy Chris Hardwick's Nerdist Podcast I thought Id give their wrestling podcast a try, Wrestling Compadres, as they tend to get decent names from the industry on as guests - Booker T is a regular along with Nigel McGuinness. Wow, it seems absolutely terrible - Annoying intro song, annoying sound effects (think morning radio sound clips) and incredibly irritating hosts. I had to turn it off after listening to the hosts interview Austin Aries who explained he is a strict vegan who only eats plants as milk causes cancer. With the justification being that babies drink milk to grow and if your an adult drinking milk the only thing you are helping grow is cancer. He also of course urged people to "Ask Questions" about food they put in their body. Is this show always this bad?
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Jayou posted:On the basis that I enjoy Chris Hardwick's Nerdist Podcast I thought Id give their wrestling podcast a try, Wrestling Compadres, as they tend to get decent names from the industry on as guests - Booker T is a regular along with Nigel McGuinness. Austin Aries is always that bad.
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Austin Aries is a sack of poo poo that started screaming about "false flags" mere hours after the Boston Marathon bombing. I can't speak to the quality of that show, but you should probably give it a listen when they have an actual human being as a guest.
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Jayou posted:On the basis that I enjoy Chris Hardwick's Nerdist Podcast I thought Id give their wrestling podcast a try, Wrestling Compadres, as they tend to get decent names from the industry on as guests - Booker T is a regular along with Nigel McGuinness. It's good to know that Austin Aries didn't drink milk so he ended up 5'3". Drink your milk so you don't end up like Austin Aries, kids!
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