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Obdicut posted:What training do you need to stab someone, and why is there any reason to think Euromaidan was involved?
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Rutkowski posted:The four people involved are all members of the Party of the Swedes(used to be known by the name National Socialist Front) who is close allies and currently co-operate with Svoboda and the Right Sector in Ukraine. In fact, one of the four is currently wanted internationally for the attack and is known to be housed by elements of the two groups in Ukraine. Is there somewhere I can read about this that isn't Russia Today?
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Obdicut posted:Is there somewhere I can read about this that isn't Russia Today? I mean, this ain't really news the fact that nazis are part of the Ukrainan government and have support from different Swedish nazi groups; what exactly is controversial here?
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Apr 19, 2014 17:28
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Rutkowski posted:What parts? Because the fact that Nordisk Ungdom and Svenskarnas Parti have sent down "volounteers" to help the Euromaidan and post-coup government is pretty well-known, they're even promoting it. One of their big shots, Mikael Skillt, got captured a couple of days ago by former berkut, seperatists and others and got robbed and beaten badly. That's a really different claim from "Swedish nazis trained by Svoboda in Euromaidan". In fact, it's kind of the reverse, that Swedish Nazis have gone down to 'help' Euromaiden.
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Obdicut posted:That's a really different claim from "Swedish nazis trained by Svoboda in Euromaidan". In fact, it's kind of the reverse, that Swedish Nazis have gone down to 'help' Euromaiden. EDIT: They've also had Russian neo-nazis, primarly from C18 and B&H, come to Sweden in the past decade to practice close combat and similar stuff but at least those guys are not officially supported by their government. Rutkowski fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Rutkowski posted:Well, some of them, including wanted attacker Andreas Karlsson, are going through/have gone through some military training since they arrived down there. Including knife combat, IIRC. Again, is there somewhere I can read about this?
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Apr 19, 2014 17:51
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https://news.vice.com/video/londons-holy-turf-war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tEpjmFH9g New short from Vice
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ekuNNN posted:Filip Dewinter, leader of the Belgian party Vlaams Belang went postering for the elections on tuesday, in an Croatian army jacket bearing the white power symbol. Vlaams Belang got 15% of the vote in the last elections. That's not Croatian army uniform, just a camo shirt with HOS patch sewed on one shoulder. The white power symbol on the other shoulder isn't used or well known in Croatia. HOS was a Croatian militia during the early stages of the recent war, but they didn't commit any atrocities to my knowledge.
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The World Elections blog entry on Hungary's recent legislative election is up. tl;dr: Fidesz has a two-thirds majority in the National Assembly, the so-called left wing Unity party (more accurately, the hodgepodge and unorganized opposition to the left of Fidesz) is going to have a very hard time in uniting to form a credible opposition, and Jobbik got 20% of the vote. Jobbik is now the only alternative to Fidesz, which is an authoritarian right-wing party to begin with. Hungary is hosed.
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May Day is coming up - are the fash planning many demonstrations? Vlaams Belang seems to be doing something in Mechelen but it doesn't look that major (also I don't speak Flemish/Dutch)
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Y-Hat posted:The World Elections blog entry on Hungary's recent legislative election is up. tl;dr: Fidesz has a two-thirds majority in the National Assembly, the so-called left wing Unity party (more accurately, the hodgepodge and unorganized opposition to the left of Fidesz) is going to have a very hard time in uniting to form a credible opposition, and Jobbik got 20% of the vote. Jobbik is now the only alternative to Fidesz, which is an authoritarian right-wing party to begin with. Yeah, it wasn't talked about much so far but 65% of the vote and 75% of the seats being taken by a hard and a far-right party is indeed very serious and if anything shows that the growth of the far-right has not abated one bit.
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ekuNNN posted:Filip Dewinter, leader of the Belgian party Vlaams Belang went postering for the elections on tuesday, in an Croatian army jacket bearing the white power symbol. Vlaams Belang got 15% of the vote in the last elections. Dewinter is actually a skilled politician, I can't believe he would go campaigning with these symbols on his jacket. I know it's just a Celtic cross, but in this specific case it obviously has far-right connotations. It's like he just doesn't care anymore.
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Swan Oat posted:May Day is coming up - are the fash planning many demonstrations? Vlaams Belang seems to be doing something in Mechelen but it doesn't look that major (also I don't speak Flemish/Dutch)
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my dad posted:So, did anything happen? Here's a bunch of pictures: http://www.jnytt.se/polisen-stoppar-maskerade-motdemonstranter
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First outright neo-nazi demonstration in Denmark for a couple of years went off swimmingly this saturday. And by that I mean they got their asses kicked so bad the cops had to throw them in paddy wagons and ride them out to avoid bloodshed. Cue Danish media and celebrities falling our themselves to call this a gang war started by violent extremists on both ends of the political spectrum 
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Tias posted:Cue Danish media and celebrities falling our themselves to call this a gang war started by violent extremists on both ends of the political spectrum Technical question, do neo-nazi demonstrations fall under the freedom of assembly/freedom of speech equivalents under Danish law or are their demonstrations illegal?
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May 13, 2014 18:50
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If it's like in Sweden it's legal but wrong so chase those fuckers of the streets. The ekstrabladet video of fleeing nazis is hilarious.
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In Portugal a kid tried to make an anti fascist stand against PNR in Porto, got the poo poo kicked out of him and then the little shits bruised themselves and went crying to the police over how a phantom group of people opposed PNR. Most news report how PNR was stopped by antifas in a street clash. I loving wish 
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Most news don't report PNR. The last time I heard about them on the nightly news was when Gato Fedorendo did that sign bunch of years ago.
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Randler posted:Technical question, do neo-nazi demonstrations fall under the freedom of assembly/freedom of speech equivalents under Danish law or are their demonstrations illegal? They are legal, but the police has to approve of them, same as with all demonstrations. However, freedom of assembly guarentees the right to protest, even if police don't approve and a number of demonstrations have carried out succesfully in spite of such decisions.
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Electronico6 posted:Most news don't report PNR. The last time I heard about them on the nightly news was when Gato Fedorendo did that sign bunch of years ago. It was only one kid who was attacked, not three "burly" people who attacked poor babby's first fascist movement. But yeah, i think jn was the only one who bothered with reporting it. Why bother with PNR when you have PSD? 
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This was posted in the Ukraine thread: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/world/europe/ukraine-workers-take-to-streets-to-calm-Mariupol.html?hp&_r=0 Steelworkers patrolling alongside police officers when their oligarch boss orders them to seize the city from separatists. If I think stuff like this is kind of gross and scary does it mean I've been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda? Wikipedia on Mussolini's doctrine of fascism posted:In fascist thought, the principle of class collaboration is combined with strong nationalism. The stability and the prosperity of the nation was seen as the ultimate purpose of collaboration between classes.
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Bob le Moche posted:Steelworkers patrolling alongside police officers when their oligarch boss orders them to seize the city from separatists. It's a pretty smart move. The Ukrainian military has no idea what it's doing. I think we might be seeing a new kind of warfare where states fight primarily with non-military forces, with the military augmenting them for certain specialized operations. Which is how the Russians are doing it.
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Bob le Moche posted:This was posted in the Ukraine thread: The pro-Russians aren't combining class collaboration with strong nationalism? It's fine and dandy being grossed out by Right Sector, Svoboda and the likes, but it's not like the other side is any better on that front. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 10:13 on May 16, 2014 |
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Kurtofan posted:The pro-Russians aren't combining class collaboration with strong nationalism? Putin is a crooked authoritarian but he's not a fascist Mans posted:Which side is torching buildings filled with civilians? Let me guess, Yanukovych? http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked...ukovych/5372013
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Mans posted:Which side is torching buildings filled with civilians? So literal guerillas that shoot at people unprovoked are just civilians now? Weird.
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Phlegmish posted:Dewinter is actually a skilled politician, I can't believe he would go campaigning with these symbols on his jacket. I know it's just a Celtic cross, but in this specific case it obviously has far-right connotations. It's like he just doesn't care anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLyWxWZn4w I think Vlaams Belang actually just gave up and became a parody of themselves.
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Install Windows posted:So literal guerillas that shoot at people unprovoked are just civilians now? Weird.
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Bob le Moche posted:This was posted in the Ukraine thread: It's gross and scary but it smacks more of warlordism than fascism. This is more an example that law and order and cohesion are deteriorating to the point where oligarchs are just fielding personal armies to follow their interests and goals. edit: 21stcentury.txt
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Radio Prune posted:A globalreseach link oh my I just wanted the quotations in text so people didn't need to listen to the whole 10 minute phone call, but here it is if you're doubting it occurred https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8
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Enjoy posted:Let me guess, Yanukovych? BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 02:33 on May 17, 2014 |
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Install Windows posted:So literal guerillas that shoot at people unprovoked are just civilians now? Weird. The actions that are ocurring in Ukraine are brutal enough that you can't dismiss the arbitrary violence and murder of civilians just because you support one of the sides. My support for the struggle against Assad will never make me go "heh, they were collaborators" whenever a video pops of Al-Nusra executing random people or bombing random buildings and declaring them "totally enemy headquarters".
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Mans posted:The actions that are ocurring in Ukraine are brutal enough that you can't dismiss the arbitrary violence and murder of civilians just because you support one of the sides. My support for the struggle against Assad will never make me go "heh, they were collaborators" whenever a video pops of Al-Nusra executing random people or bombing random buildings and declaring them "totally enemy headquarters". Actually yeah I can "dismiss" the killing of people who were trying to kill other people. Because they were motherfucking spraying lead into a crowd, and then ran into a building to continue spraying lead.
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And the protestors were just aimlessly surrounding a building from all sides and by chance just had enough molotovs to set it on fire and by chance most of the dead weren't actually shooting anyone. But since they were payed by that oligarch instead of this oligarch that means their charred bodies are a vitory of liberalism over Russian imperialism.
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