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Ratzap posted:Do you mean this one? http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/24849-WIP-THSS-Tri-Hexagonal-Structural-Strut I think this is what threw me off last night. I didn't realize I can get science by just poking around Kerbal. Instead I've been fighting and clawing to get orbit. Time to start the Terrestrial Inspection Team of Science!
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Career mode will probably teach you how to make do with smaller lighter rockets too. One thing I'd point out to you about career mode is the amount of biomes near KSC. You can get a decent amount of early science to boost your initial designs by scraping them clean with cheesy pod+strut designs. Launchpad (yep, you can jump out and eva/sample there) and the runway are easiest to find but if you roll off the runway you will find another 2 - KSC is just off it and Shores is a little further. Join 2 pods end to end (or with box struts between) to roll straight off the runway.
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Mr. Samuel Shitley posted:I would like to reiterate that I love airplanes. Did you build that from stock parts or is it a mod? If it had winglets it'd be a dead ringer for the Centurion from Wing Commander Privateer. E: Also very YF-23 ish, of course Phy fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Does anyone want to share their rover designs. I'm trying to come up with something that works well while also fulfilling science objectives and I'm having problems designing something that is good all-round. If I try to build to size and weight constraints, it ends up being unstable. If I try to make it stable, it ends up being too big to launch seriously. I guess I just want to see the kind of stuff you guys are designing in order to give me a better idea of what kinds of things can be done.
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As a newb starting out in career mode, I'm wondering whether there are addons to:
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Jack the Lad posted:As a newb starting out in career mode, I'm wondering whether there are addons to: Yes both are available, I know mechjeb will show what type of biome an area is when you hover over it in map mode, there is also a science plugin that alerts you of available experiments and can optionally pause warp when it detects something new if you like. http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/76793-0-23-5-ScienceAlert-Experiment-availability-feedback <- that's the science plugin.
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Dramicus posted:Does anyone want to share their rover designs. I'm trying to come up with something that works well while also fulfilling science objectives and I'm having problems designing something that is good all-round. If I try to build to size and weight constraints, it ends up being unstable. If I try to make it stable, it ends up being too big to launch seriously. I guess I just want to see the kind of stuff you guys are designing in order to give me a better idea of what kinds of things can be done. For my Minmus rover I just used a science lab on its side as core, then used girders to put wheels both above and below. Slapped on all the different experiments, solar panels, a couple of external command seats and RCS. When I got to Minmus I just decoupled it and used the RCS to topple it off the rocket onto its wheels. Then I found out that the handling on Minmus is abysmal and wished I had put some engines on there so it could fly between biomes. E: Pics  
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Apr 19, 2014 15:55
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Geemer posted:Then I found out that the handling on Minmus is abysmal and wished I had put some engines on there so it could fly between biomes. Actually, the problem is the lack of gravity, if you have rcs thrusters you can push your rover into the ground to increase traction. Or you could use them to boost forward, but that can be unsafe. Boosting down toward the ground will never cause anything bad to happen.
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Dramicus posted:Actually, the problem is the lack of gravity, if you have rcs thrusters you can push your rover into the ground to increase traction. Or you could use them to boost forward, but that can be unsafe. Boosting down toward the ground will never cause anything bad to happen. Even with doing that, it took me 5 minutes to slow down from 20 m/s without toppling. My Minmus Rover has horrible traction problems.
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OAquinas posted:Try updating/replacing your Toolbar mod to 1.7.1 and see if that helps. I had funky MJ window issues until I replaced my files and then they worked fine. Huh that worked, I thought I had grabbed an updated version of Toolbar! Maybe one of the mods I dumped in had an older version I overwrote by accident. Thank you! Ratzap posted:Do you mean this one? http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/24849-WIP-THSS-Tri-Hexagonal-Structural-Strut Yes indeed sir, that's the one. It looks fabulous and I want it for fancy ships. e; On a side note, I grabbed ActiveTextureManagement because I wanted to try playing with the patched version of B9 aerospace, and I continue to crash from what appears to be memory issues (especially when transiting SoI). Anyone use that, or is there a better option? I fiddled with the config and think I'm using it, but I dunno if theres a better option out there. Synnr fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Minmus is pretty much impossible to drive anything on. Short of building an absolutely massive rover, you'd be better served by making a minimal flying lander paired with an orbiting tanker. I took this to every Minmus biome in one mission and it only cost a few hundred fuel. The other sensors are on the back.  Rovers are great on the Mun, though.
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gently caress this Eve return poo poo :-(
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Dramicus posted:Yes both are available, I know mechjeb will show what type of biome an area is when you hover over it in map mode, there is also a science plugin that alerts you of available experiments and can optionally pause warp when it detects something new if you like. Awesome, thank you!
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thehustler posted:gently caress this Eve return poo poo :-( Hah. Man, I should have warned you more. an Eve return mission is pretty much the end boss of KSP. Atmosphere soup, high gravity, no oxigen, ... It's a complete bastard to get out of. It's pretty much Australia in space. Guys, we need to turn Venus into a prison colony. double nine fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 17:00
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Falken posted:Someone needs to get Better Atmospheres! I'll bite: how badly does this tank frames?
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Dramicus posted:Yes both are available, I know mechjeb will show what type of biome an area is when you hover over it in map mode, there is also a science plugin that alerts you of available experiments and can optionally pause warp when it detects something new if you like. Ahh poo poo. That's what's been 'randomly' killing time warp on me recently! I totally didn't even realize it was doing this and had forgotten I installed this.
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Spaced God posted:I'll bite: how badly does this tank frames? It uses the enhanced visuals mod, so if you can run volumetric clouds, this will run fine. It can be a little RAM heavy though since that specific mod uses some Hires textures. If you use heavy mods like B9 or KWR you might need to use reduced textures. Also, BA looks kind of wierd when launching at around 50km when the aura kicks in, but it's otherwise really pretty. I have a dumb question: how are you supposed to use the LES that's now stock? As far as I know (I restarted career), there's no stackable parachutes so do you just slot a decoupler on top of your pod and then the LES, and just use radial chutes? Fishstick fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 17:09
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thehustler posted:gently caress this Eve return poo poo :-( Indeed. Landing on the higher parts is hard due to their size and the slopes (been there, tried that). Then you not only need the correct amount of dV but also delivered in the right time frame to avoid going too far over terminal velocity. It doesn't help that the green vermin are horrible at climbing ladders to get back in and so much worse at it in heavy gravity. If you're serious about it, try using Kethane jets or an Interstellar thermal jet design to return. Once you get to the 35-40km altitude area you're golden. YF19pilot posted:I think this is what threw me off last night. I didn't realize I can get science by just poking around Kerbal. Instead I've been fighting and clawing to get orbit. Time to start the Terrestrial Inspection Team of Science! Last version I scraped Kerbin almost entirely clean without spending any science in one save as an experiment. Polar landings and low orbit works too and I ended up with 294.9 science. So unlocking some other experiments etc should get you close to 4-500.
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double nine posted:Hah. Man, I should have warned you more. an Eve return mission is pretty much the end boss of KSP. Atmosphere soup, high gravity, no oxigen, ... It's a complete bastard to get out of. It's pretty much Australia in space. This bothers the gently caress out of me. Oxygen has a y in it. Yes, I know it's oxidizer, but that's only because English is a hosed up language.
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Holy poo poo I love FAR. It's the difference between the KSO shuttle barely making orbit and easily making a 300km orbit. gently caress the stock KSP drag model forever.
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Is there a way to remove all of the donate/update buttons that have slowly been worming their way into the game? Intersteller and the Toolbar mod are just getting annoying.
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Nazattack posted:Is there a way to remove all of the donate/update buttons that have slowly been worming their way into the game? Intersteller and the Toolbar mod are just getting annoying. poo poo isn't it. It's bad enough with them plastered all over the mod forums and download pages but them appearing in game as well is taking the piss. Max, please lay the law down on this and keep the in game experience free of nagware.
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Nazattack posted:Is there a way to remove all of the donate/update buttons that have slowly been worming their way into the game? Intersteller and the Toolbar mod are just getting annoying. Do everything you want to do in them. Stock. 
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Ratzap posted:poo poo isn't it. It's bad enough with them plastered all over the mod forums and download pages but them appearing in game as well is taking the piss. Max, please lay the law down on this and keep the in game experience free of nagware. If it was just a one off thing the first time after I install the mod, I can live with that. But I'm playing Sandbox and Intersteller keeps nagging me about a tech tree update. 
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Nazattack posted:If it was just a one off thing the first time after I install the mod, I can live with that. But I'm playing Sandbox and Intersteller keeps nagging me about a tech tree update. And here I was, thinking that I wanted to give Interstellar a try... I'll pass, now. The idea that making a game mod should be a way of generating income brings new meaning to delusion of grandeur, and anything that Squad can do to keep this behavior away from KSP's future would be welcome by me.
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Ratzap posted:Max, please lay the law down on this and keep the in game experience free of nagware. It will be the start of the first great sperg exodus, but it's better to cut the tumor out now then letting it get worse. Now is the time to set your branding rules for the foreseeable future. NASA won't let you put a paypal donation link for your poo poo directly over their branding. It shouldn't happen to KSP either.
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Nazattack posted:Is there a way to remove all of the donate/update buttons that have slowly been worming their way into the game? Intersteller and the Toolbar mod are just getting annoying. Avoid bad mods? Fork 'em if one you like starts doing poo poo like that?
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I wonder if it would be possible to make a general plugin that kills donation links from other mods. Doesn't the module manager give support for overwriting files from any mod?
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Keiya posted:Avoid bad mods? Fork 'em if one you like starts doing poo poo like that? I don't think it's beneficial to ignore the problem of people monetizing their mods until it gets so bad that someone gets a bitcoin miner coded into a DLL. The drama caused by just forking the code and removing donation buttons would be a sight to behold though. 
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Just learned why jettisoning a stage prematurely may be bad for a Kerbal's health. Granted, Jebidiah is still alive, but just. I had four SRBs mounted radially, and I hit space just before their fuel ran out. Instead of gracefully falling away like in all those videos I've watched of real space craft, they instead sped up, and simultaneously crashed into the rocket and destroyed the liquid fuel tank just under the command module. Which meant the larger SRB which still had most of it's fuel was still trucking along pushing the next two stages into space as Jeb drifted back to Kerba-firma.
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SocketSeven posted:I don't think it's beneficial to ignore the problem of people monetizing their mods until it gets so bad that someone gets a bitcoin miner coded into a DLL. The drama caused by just forking the code and removing donation buttons would be a sight to behold though. The idea of money and mods just causes a hellstorm in the KSP community. Remember when placeholder code for the Spaceport included the word "purchase" instead of download? indeed, my friend.
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YF19pilot posted:Instead of gracefully falling away like in all those videos I've watched of real space craft, they instead sped up, and simultaneously crashed into the rocket and destroyed the liquid fuel tank just under the command module. I'm not an expert on rockets, but I think the real-world SRBs have a section of low-thrust packed in for when they decouple to avoid them suddenly becoming dead weight. Spaced God posted:The idea of money and mods just causes a hellstorm in the KSP community. Remember when placeholder code for the Spaceport included the word "purchase" instead of download? Doesn't the header still refer to it as an "Add-on Store"?
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Because Radial SRB's are attached to the stack in the middle, their tops have a tendency to torque inwards towards the core rocket stack while under power. If you decouple the SRB's before burnout, they slide up your center stack, usually destroying stuff along the way. Seperatrons can prevent this by kicking the entire SRB away from the center stack when the decoupler fires. Make sure to mount them so their thrust doesn't damage your center stack! 
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Dramicus posted:I wonder if it would be possible to make a general plugin that kills donation links from other mods. Doesn't the module manager give support for overwriting files from any mod? Not really, because it would just prompt modders to code around whatever detection gets put into the game. It's an arms race that rapidly spirals out of control. Keiya posted:Avoid bad mods? Fork 'em if one you like starts doing poo poo like that? This is the most awesome solution, but none of the mods I use have popups or anything so 
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Forking a mod is the most  answer when somebody might not know how to loving code. That's like a Linux user's reply Eve update: sacked it off and went to Laythe instead.
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Speaking of Eve, doesn't the dense atmosphere make it very easy to get airborne with wings? Maybe using wings and the new and improved ion engines would make it easier. Of course, you still need to get the rest of the way after you're done with the part where the wings and ions are useful.
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Ratzap posted:I had a dig around in my memory and my mono install. You need 2 parttools zips from You are the best. Thanks. In a couple of posts you have yielded more information than I've been able to scrape from anywhere. YF19pilot posted:Just learned why jettisoning a stage prematurely may be bad for a Kerbal's health. Granted, Jebidiah is still alive, but just. I had four SRBs mounted radially, and I hit space just before their fuel ran out. Instead of gracefully falling away like in all those videos I've watched of real space craft, they instead sped up, and simultaneously crashed into the rocket and destroyed the liquid fuel tank just under the command module. Which meant the larger SRB which still had most of it's fuel was still trucking along pushing the next two stages into space as Jeb drifted back to Kerba-firma. Fun, isn't it? I think it was said but if this is an issue for you just shove some separatrons on them and put them in the decoupling stage. get them to shove the SRBs out of the way. At least I think that'll work. Just don't hit space too early next time. Also if you use separatrons be careful. They can cause the jettisoned stage to cartwheel back into the rocket under some conditions. In one of my active designs this happens with 6 or 8 of them. They cartwheel around, slam into some modular girders and make the whole rocket vibrate like a tuning fork. For some reason I can't find the post, but dumping the science modules isn't hard if you get creative with design. You could have the modules on their own stage with tank and engine. That way you start out the return with a fresh tank, a properly sized engine and less mass. Or you could have radial engines and kind of have the craft poo poo out the science modules, or put them on top and jettison them with separatrons or something. Use your imagination. I'd love to see fully interactive multiplayer in KSP. It'd be brilliant to terrorize someone re-enacting a moon landing while doing poo poo like this.  The active SRBs were jettisoned when velocity dropped enough. Same rocket beforehand. Target in sight. 
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thehustler posted:Forking a mod is the most We're talking about a game that's literally about orbital mechanics. It's not unlikely that at least a few people using each mod have the skills to break the right part.
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