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Panama Red posted:I'm curious -- are there any kickboxer/BJJ fighters out there? I ask because it would seem to be a good arsenal for a fighter to have, striking at long distance but also capable on the ground. Then again, I have to say I haven't seen a lot of well-rounded fighters in my limited experience; Maia is really good at BJJ, Okami is really good at GnP, Silva is really good at countering strikes and striking from the clitch, etc. This is a relative thing. By all accounts Anderson Silva is a well rounded fighter, he's really only looked bad at wrestling against guys that were D1 All Americans or even legit Olympic level wrestlers. In general though, you'll find that everyone that isn't a college wrestler is probably a kickboxing/bjj guy. It's just how things work and it's one of the reasons that pretty much every top tier fighter is either an American Collegiate wrestler or somebody from Brazil.
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Four months into the year and Cowboy already has two wins. Here's to hoping he goes 5 for 5 this year so he can keep buying dumb poo poo.
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Apr 20, 2014 03:38
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Benson vs Cerrone III should happen before it can't happen. And really, I think that will end up being Benson's best UFC fight to date. [fake edit] since I was curious, Donald Cerrone has had 15 fights since the last time he & Bendo went at it. There are guys in UFC that don't even have careers that long. 
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Apr 20, 2014 03:42
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Khabib: "The top 10 at LW need to learn how to wrestle." from the post fight. What a guy.
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Apr 20, 2014 14:48
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The fight order for UFC on Fox 11 was weird for me; From the main card, only the headliner and Cerrone vs Barboza deserved to be on there imo. Neither Tate or Carmouche are ever getting near a title fight again, and looked sloppy. Yoel Romero has potential, and showed greatness in little bursts but that fight is nowhere near worthy of the main card. Maybe if he's fighting someone top 10. Meanwhile on the prelims we had top 5 lightweights Nurmy vs Dos Anjos, plus Alves and Mein both looking great in their fights. I don't get it. This wasn't a PPV, there's no win from making the prelims look good to get buys. So they just hurt ratings and made the product look worse for mainstream folks who only saw the main card.
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Apr 20, 2014 15:57
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They treat fox cards just like pay per views. They also have a deal with fox and want FS1 to be as big as possible. They're always going to put a name or two on the prelims to get more people to watch them as well. Also Browne breaking his rib in round 1 explains so much about his performance.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:07
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Browne did not break his own rib. Werdum broke Browne's rib. Browne looked like poo poo because Werdum made him look like poo poo.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:16
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I don't dispute Werdum put on a clinic, but Browne looked off.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:27
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't dispute Werdum put on a clinic, but Browne looked off. He was off because his opponent kicked him very hard in the rib, thus breaking it. He didn't go into the fight injured, he was injured by his opponent.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:32
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Sprecherscrow posted:He was off because his opponent kicked him very hard in the rib, thus breaking it. He didn't go into the fight injured, he was injured by his opponent. I know. I never said he hurt it before the fight.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:35
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't dispute Werdum put on a clinic, but Browne looked off. You say this as if the latter was not caused by the former.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:37
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Mr. Nice! posted:They're always going to put a name or two on the prelims to get more people to watch them as well. During a recent scrum Dana White said that the preliminaries having a 'main event' is a thing, so it's not like it was a knock of Nurmy and RDA.
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Apr 20, 2014 16:39
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Tezcatlipoca posted:You say this as if the latter was not caused by the former. Not in the least bit, but I'm left wanting because of it. Even Werdum said he took it easy and played it safe. Had he not broke Browne's rib he still probably wins the fight just because of how drat good he looked, but I wanted to see him have to work all five rounds.
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-Atom- posted:During a recent scrum Dana White said that the preliminaries having a 'main event' is a thing, so it's not like it was a knock of Nurmy and RDA. He said it at the presser last night too.
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I don't think Browne's broken rib diminishes Werdum's performance any, but it does make Browne look a lot tougher in retrospect. If he'd just gassed out in half a round from doing his usual dance, it would've reflected really poorly on him, but as it is, he just got battered by the better fighter. No shame in that. Werdum's playground antics are funny (wish he would've pulled out the 'hey, your shoelaces are untied!' thing from the Nelson fight again), so I'm happy he won. At the press conference, he at one point wound up with two people translating for him, and also had every question translated to him in Portugese despite answering them in fluent English and even cracking a joke about his proficiency in language.
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Apr 20, 2014 17:10
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It's always crazy when you hear about these guys ending up with broken hands/ribs/arms or other serious injuries and still finishing the fight whether they win or lose. Also puts into perspective how insanely painful stuff like liver shots and whatnot that drop a guy instantly must be.
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Skjorte posted:I don't think Browne's broken rib diminishes Werdum's performance any, but it does make Browne look a lot tougher in retrospect. If he'd just gassed out in half a round from doing his usual dance, it would've reflected really poorly on him, but as it is, he just got battered by the better fighter. No shame in that. I was cracking up during the post-fight. For a while it was really just Werdum holding court, with questions and answers in 3 languages, Werdum making jokes and high-fiving Romero, translators laughing. And then Cowboy was on the other side drinking beer and chewing tobacco.
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Apr 20, 2014 18:10
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Cowboy must be getting a shitton of money from budweiser because he went nuts. He brought a beer for everyone at the presser, had another six or so set aside for himself, one to spit chew in, and a bigass budweiser shirt on. He drank so loving much that he had to go piss mid press conference. Cowboy owns. I used to be on the fence, but he's awesome.
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With Cowboy it seems like he'd wear that shirt and buy everyone in the room beer just because he can regardless. Getting paid sponsor money to behave like you normally would must be awesome. Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Apr 20, 2014 18:37
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It's the redneck dream which might be why I feel such a strong connection.
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's the redneck dream which might be why I feel such a strong connection. I feel the same way, which leads me to suspect that Cowboy is also a marketing genius.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:It's always crazy when you hear about these guys ending up with broken hands/ribs/arms or other serious injuries and still finishing the fight whether they win or lose. Also puts into perspective how insanely painful stuff like liver shots and whatnot that drop a guy instantly must be. Yeah, for sure. A broken rib makes your life miserable and every movement you do hurt like hell even if you're a sedentary fat dude sitting in a chair. And then there's Browne getting body shot and kicked in a broken rib over and over. On that note, Werdum has the best snap in his kicks I've ever seen a heavyweight mma fighter have. He was hitting loving hard.
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attackmole posted:On that note, Werdum has the best snap in his kicks I've ever seen a heavyweight mma fighter have. He was hitting loving hard. Overeem
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Mr. Nice! posted:Not in the least bit, but I'm left wanting because of it. Even Werdum said he took it easy and played it safe. Had he not broke Browne's rib he still probably wins the fight just because of how drat good he looked, but I wanted to see him have to work all five rounds.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Overeem And Hardonk. Pat Barry.
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Meltzer had this to say about the disappointing ratings for Saturday's Fox card which had the worst/lowest ratings yet.quote:"Average fan losing interest. Biz model = as much content as possible. But appeal in US not going in + direction"
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quote:The ratings are disappointing considering the card and the fact that the event was a sell out in Orlando. Winning the time slot for network television was the annual Easter tradition of ABC showing of “The Ten Commandments.” The movie scored 5.87 million viewers and 1.0 rating among adults 18-49 with a 4 share. In terms of overall viewership, UFC on Fox 11 lost out to a rerun of Mike and Molly on CBS which received 2.20 million average viewers. http://mmapayout.com/2014/04/ufc-on-fox-11-overnight-rating-1-99m-viewers/
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:http://mmapayout.com/2014/04/ufc-on-fox-11-overnight-rating-1-99m-viewers/ Outdrawn by Moses, holy poo poo. I finally got around to watching the presser and Dana seems legit depressed that Browne didn't win
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Mr. Carlisle posted:It's always crazy when you hear about these guys ending up with broken hands/ribs/arms or other serious injuries and still finishing the fight whether they win or lose. Also puts into perspective how insanely painful stuff like liver shots and whatnot that drop a guy instantly must be. After Pettis stopped Cerrone with one, Fightland did an article about how the liver shot works physiologically. I found it pretty interesting. It's not actually the pain that stops guys cold, although it does hurt like hell. Getting popped in the liver apparently makes your autonomic nervous system think you're in imminent danger of death, and it shuts everything off to keep blood flowing into your brain.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:fight pass will probably be pretty good once they lose all their tv deals Can't wait
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Solomonic posted:Outdrawn by Moses, holy poo poo. I think he was mostly annoyed that Werdum played it more conservatively in the last couple rounds once he figured that the fight was in the bag. But yeah from a promotional standpoint you'd think he'd be better off pumping Werdum's tires a bit (and rightfully so given how good he looked through the first three rounds) rather than moping and talking about how he played it safe and Travis injured himself in the first round, etc.
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EvanSchenck posted:After Pettis stopped Cerrone with one, Fightland did an article about how the liver shot works physiologically. I found it pretty interesting. It's not actually the pain that stops guys cold, although it does hurt like hell. Getting popped in the liver apparently makes your autonomic nervous system think you're in imminent danger of death, and it shuts everything off to keep blood flowing into your brain. Thanks for posting that - it definitely was interesting to read. quote:The fighter takes a shot, you get this nerve signal going into the autonomic nervous system, your blood vessels dilate, the heart rate decreases, the blood pressure suddenly drops, and the athlete collapses. You can’t control it. You’re down. The human body works in crazy ways. Edit: Someone posted this in the comments on that article quote:25% of the blood volume from each heart beat travels directly to the liver. The liver is very spongy in it's structure. When the liver is hit, it's effectively like squeezing the water out of a sponge, only with the liver the blood briefly back flows directly towards the heart. Which causes a serious problem for the heart when it tries to beat against this back flow. (fluids are incompressible) How serious this problem is depends on where in the beat cycle the heart is at the time. The heart is violently disrupted and effectively has to reboot itself, causing the radical drop of BP.
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Apr 20, 2014 22:47
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Triticum Guzzler posted:fight pass will probably be pretty good once they lose all their tv deals It would be but UFC is going to sign a 10 year deal with FOX or some crazy poo poo once the contract runs out. There's a chance that Fight Pass could end up with all the PPV content eventually, but I think UFC is always going to have some sort of free TV deal and they're happy with FOX/FOx is happy with them.
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TheRationalRedditor posted:travis browne just isn't as good as you think! He's looked like poo poo in every fight where he didn't manage to land some stupid loopy knockout. Remember when he was outstruck and outwrestled by Cheick Kongo? I don't see how anyone thought he had a striking advantage over Werdum except for the very real chance of catching him with some flailing spaz strike, or how anyone thought that he would be very tough to take down. Also, how were they saying he'd never been taken down in the UFC when I remember Bigfoot taking him down twice? I also figured that Barboza vs Cerrone was going to be Barboza whaling on him until either Cerrone's chin cracked or Barboza got knocked down, and that the latter was a lot more probable. The only fight that really surprised me was Romero vs Tavares, which I thought was going to be a lot more competitive.
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Yeah Romero looking like a legitimate good fighter kind of surprised me. I feel like he's gonna be caught be a disciplined striker sometime, but he seems pretty good. I just assumed he was built for hilarity rather than actually being a particularly good fighter, but his gas tank is holding up and he does cool stuff.
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Fat Twitter Man posted:He's looked like poo poo in every fight where he didn't manage to land some stupid loopy knockout. Remember when he was outstruck and outwrestled by Cheick Kongo? I don't see how anyone thought he had a striking advantage over Werdum except for the very real chance of catching him with some flailing spaz strike, or how anyone thought that he would be very tough to take down. Also, how were they saying he'd never been taken down in the UFC when I remember Bigfoot taking him down twice? TheRationalRedditor posted:It remains to be seen how good he is when he next faces a HW who retains the memory to not clinch him into the fence with their head down
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attackmole posted:Yeah Romero looking like a legitimate good fighter kind of surprised me. I feel like he's gonna be caught be a disciplined striker sometime, but he seems pretty good. I just assumed he was built for hilarity rather than actually being a particularly good fighter, but his gas tank is holding up and he does cool stuff. I thought Tavares was that striker. he's been really good about controlling distance in the past, but Romero hit him with counter lefts every time he tried coming in and took him down every time he tried to jab and move. He had a Mighty Mouse-esque speed advantage
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