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I can't find the interview now, but Steven Wilson said he only takes about a week making those 5.1 remixes for an album. That's pretty impressive considering how great a lot of them sound. I wish he could have done the Genesis remixes that were made a couple of years ago.
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Apr 18, 2014 00:21
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Attitude Indicator posted:I can't find the interview now, but Steven Wilson said he only takes about a week making those 5.1 remixes for an album. That's pretty impressive considering how great a lot of them sound. I wish he could have done the Genesis remixes that were made a couple of years ago. He actually said it takes him a week for the whole process, it was 5 days for the stereo remix and 2 days for the 5.1 mix. I hope he gets a new album out before the end of the year, this year is looking good already between Opeth, Anathema, etc releases.
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Apr 18, 2014 00:43
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Not sure if this is the best place for this, but my sister-in-law is a deadbeat loser who refuses to pay for concert tickets. We now have an extra Dream Theater ticket for the show on Sunday in Mesa, AZ. I would rather give it to someone else for free than take her. Anyone want it? There are two other people going with me. Send me a PM. Rabid Koala fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 17:22
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So prog thread - what are people's views of The Flower Kings? I've haven't heard any of their stuff yet, but snagged a copy of Stardust We Are we are at a Record/CD Fair the other day and it's on my to listen pile. I figure I'll probably like their stuff (and if not, was cheap) given what wiki says about their style. Having more sprawling double albums is a plus too. Just never really seen any talk about them.
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Apr 19, 2014 21:01
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There really isn't much to say about Flower Kings in my opinion. They're talented musicians who make unremarkable and derivative prog rock. It's perfectly listenable, but I don't know why you'd want to. Except for Roine Ztoltz zpecial way of pronouncing when he zingz, of courze.
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Apr 19, 2014 21:11
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I keep trying to listen to The Flower Kings but their music is so forgettable. It's not offensively bad, but I usually turn off their albums because I'm just bored by them. The title track of Stardust We Are is probably the only melody I can even recall off of the top of my head. What are people's favorite Porcupine Tree-esque bands? I've really gotten into their older stuff especially. PT and Phideaux are my favorite "dark" prog bands right now. tankadillo fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 21:37
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Declan MacManus posted:Is the Peter Banks stuff getting remastered? I can't find any information on it and that's always the most overlooked period of Yes. I wish there was a video recording of them with Levin. It would have been cool seeing him and Bruford jamming out with those long sticks on his fingers. I do agree though, ABWH wasn't as good in hindsight. The best part of the concert was the opening with all of them doing their solos going into Long Distance Runaround. But between Bruford's 80s digital drums, Wakeman's cheesy 80s keyboard sound and Howe's less energetic playing style, I'll take the Yes of 1969-80 any day over ABWH. But, at the time, it was awesome. The 80s sound didn't sound as dated as it does today and it was great hearing the old classics again after the overly poppy 90125 and Big Generator tours. A few more great things about ABWH live: They brought back the acoustic guitar opening to And You And I, and this may be the best Starship Trooper live version I've ever heard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKcWGDiC5oQ Howe seemed to have some of his old energy back here. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 22:41
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Attitude Indicator posted:There really isn't much to say about Flower Kings in my opinion. They're talented musicians who make unremarkable and derivative prog rock. It's perfectly listenable, but I don't know why you'd want to. A better band than Flower Kings (but in the same vein) is Black Bonzo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZfTGbajLM
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Apr 19, 2014 23:13
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Gianthogweed posted:A better band than Flower Kings (but in the same vein) is Black Bonzo I like this song, but the band has the same problem as a lot of other "modern" prog bands in that they just ape stuff from the seventies. When the genre started it was all new and about experimentation and not really setting limits for yourself and whatnot, and now it's 40 years later and people are just copying it. It doesn't really make it bad, but it definetly makes it less interesting.
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Apr 19, 2014 23:26
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tankadillo posted:What are people's favorite Porcupine Tree-esque bands? I've really gotten into their older stuff especially. PT and Phideaux are my favorite "dark" prog bands right now. If you like their mid-period stuff like The Sky Moves Sideways, I really really recommend an instrumental Swedish band called Gösta Berlings Saga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAMW7YgY7Xc
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Apr 20, 2014 02:09
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Thought I'd pop in with some balalaika goodness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qcgpe1UMmE It's actually Liquid Tension Experiment, though.
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Apr 21, 2014 11:03
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tankadillo posted:What are people's favorite Porcupine Tree-esque bands? I've really gotten into their older stuff especially. PT and Phideaux are my favorite "dark" prog bands right now. The Pineapple Thief
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Apr 21, 2014 11:46
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Paladinus posted:Thought I'd pop in with some balalaika goodness. I'm sending this one to TL.
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Apr 21, 2014 13:58
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How bout The Tangent? I have their debut and like it fine...is it worth continuing? funny story: I bought that album b/c I'd heard the name a bunch and really wanted to hear something without Roine Stolt on it...I thought they were American!
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Apr 21, 2014 14:13
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Rust Martialis posted:I'm sending this one to TL. JAMOOOL posted:How bout The Tangent? I have their debut and like it fine...is it worth continuing?
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Apr 21, 2014 14:23
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Little Man in particular is very Porcupine Tree; Snowdrops especially would fit seamlessly in Lightbulb Sun.
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Apr 21, 2014 15:23
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Yeah as many others are I'm very undecided on the whole Swedish prog scene - the playing seems to be excellent and the songs are often well thought out, but there's 0 fire whatsoever and I'm kinda sick of Roine Stolt's voice cropping up on everything. I like the two Flower Kings albums I have fine but rarely seem to want to actually listen to them!
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Apr 21, 2014 16:43
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JAMOOOL posted:Yeah as many others are I'm very undecided on the whole Swedish prog scene - the playing seems to be excellent and the songs are often well thought out, but there's 0 fire whatsoever and I'm kinda sick of Roine Stolt's voice cropping up on everything. I like the two Flower Kings albums I have fine but rarely seem to want to actually listen to them!
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Apr 21, 2014 16:49
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JAMOOOL posted:How bout The Tangent? I have their debut and like it fine...is it worth continuing? They're OK, I used to be a fan until I got bored of them. I'd check out The World that We Drive Through and A Place in the Queue. Those are pretty good albums, but they do have the same problem as I mentioned earlier with just copying other better bands. Very much Caravan influences, pluss KC and Genesis.
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Apr 21, 2014 16:57
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Misogynist posted:I can't find a nicer way to put this, but are you deliberately avoiding Sweden's eclectic prog scene to focus on Kaipa derivatives? Anekdoten, Änglagård, Gösta Berlings Saga, and Morte Macabre all have way more "fire" than most of the world's prog bands. I wasn't aware that they were all Swedish! Anglagard is definitely on my "to listen" list as I've seen them talked up so much. I know of Anekdoten and they are definitely good but perhaps not so much up my alley. Don't know about the other two. I love that prog seems to be alive and well over there though.
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Apr 21, 2014 17:06
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Misogynist posted:I can't find a nicer way to put this, but are you deliberately avoiding Sweden's eclectic prog scene to focus on Kaipa derivatives? Anekdoten, Änglagård, Gösta Berlings Saga, and Morte Macabre all have way more "fire" than most of the world's prog bands. Well, it's like when people say Finnish power metal or Norwegian black metal. Even though not all bands are Sonata Arctica or Gorgoroth, it's a handy shortcut for identifying genres and describing what a band sounds like. Anekdoten and Morte Macabre are awesome, by the way, so I'll take a look at other bands.
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Apr 21, 2014 17:22
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Speaking of swedish prog, here's a golden oldie. Kvartetten som Sprangde (The Quartet that blew up) only released one album as far as I know (Wikipedia doesn't have a page for them) and it's hard to come by. They recently re-released a limited run of 500 copies on vinyl and I think that's about what you can find of them in the physical format (I have one of these  ). But it is on Spotify anf Youtube.http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kvartetten+som+spr%C3%A4ngde Instrumental, prog and jazz fusion stuff with a lot of swedish folk music undertones. poo poo's good.
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Apr 21, 2014 17:24
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Paladinus posted:Well, it's like when people say Finnish power metal or Norwegian black metal. Even though not all bands are Sonata Arctica or Gorgoroth, it's a handy shortcut for identifying genres and describing what a band sounds like.
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Attitude Indicator posted:Speaking of swedish prog, here's a golden oldie. Kvartetten som Sprangde (The Quartet that blew up) only released one album as far as I know (Wikipedia doesn't have a page for them) and it's hard to come by. They recently re-released a limited run of 500 copies on vinyl and I think that's about what you can find of them in the physical format (I have one of these That's really good! But so short. Shame they didn't release anything else. Can you recommend anything similar (and preferably similarly obscure)?
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Apr 21, 2014 18:26
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Flower Kings reminds of Big Big Train in a way, but a bit more guitar-oriented. I think I like BBT's songs better though. Has anyone checked out Pure Reason Revolution? I picked up their EP, "Cautionary Tales For The Brave," and I'm really digging it a lot. Some great melodies, and good vocal harmonies. In other news, I'm not sure I get Gong. I have two albums by them: Expresso, Vol. 2 which is quite jam-oriented, classic 70's fusion - this album I like a lot. And Camembert Electronique, which has mostly vocal songs, lots of gonzo psychedelic craziness. It's kind of weird...you'd think the albums were by two different bands if you didn't know otherwise.
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Seventh Arrow posted:Has anyone checked out Pure Reason Revolution? I picked up their EP, "Cautionary Tales For The Brave," and I'm really digging it a lot. Some great melodies, and good vocal harmonies. I recommend picking up the complete version of The Dark Third as both the original British and American releases are lacking some of their best tracks. I'm also at odds with most PRR fans in that I think the followup album, Amor Vincit Omnia, was their best work. It's way tighter, full of energy, and catchy as hell, but their sound shifted away from progressive rock toward synthpop. Their third album, Hammer and Anvil, is a total embarrassment. There is, however, a pretty good EP (Valour) that's comprised of edits of the few good songs from that album, their last new track, and couple decent odds & ends. Also they really can't pull off their lovely ensemble vocals live and sound awful and out of tune. Speaking as someone who was actually at the show, don't get Live at NEARfest 2007. quote:In other news, I'm not sure I get Gong. I have two albums by them: Expresso, Vol. 2 which is quite jam-oriented, classic 70's fusion - this album I like a lot. And Camembert Electronique, which has mostly vocal songs, lots of gonzo psychedelic craziness. It's kind of weird...you'd think the albums were by two different bands if you didn't know otherwise. They are two different bands. Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth left after You, they had an awkward/interesting transitional album in Shamal, and then they became Pierre Moerlen's Gong, though they didn't start calling themselves that until Downwind. Gazeuse! and Expresso II are very much Pierre Moerlen's Gong albums, though. Daevid and Gilli put together a new, somewhat punkish lineup of Gong that existed concurrently with Pierre Moerlen's Gong and I think only released one album (Floating Anarchy). Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 21, 2014 |
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Here's a quick list of Swedish prog. I havent listen to a lot of this music in a long time, so I might be a bit off in the genre-description. The list ranges between hyper-obscure and well known, mostly old and a few new bands. Arbete & Fritid - Psych/jazz/folk music/improv/hippierock. Several albums. Archimedes Badkar - Psych/jazz/improv, played together with Arbete & Fritid. Several albums. Atlas - Symfonic prog, one album; Blå vardag Autumn Breeze - Mellow symfonic, folkprog, one album; Höstbris Baby Grandmothers - Psych, hippiejam. Only one hyperobscure single. Released a doubble LP with old live recordings recently on Subliminal Sounds Baltik - Heavyprog, one self titeled album. Berits Halsband - Prog/jazz/rock, great stuff! one self titeled album. Blå Tåget - Well known for their political songs. Folkrock. Blåkulla - Heavyprog/symfonic. One self titeled album. Bättre Lyss - Heavyprog/folkrock, a bit soft. One album. Contact - Psych/pop/folkrock. Rather popular, variable quality. Three albums. Dag Vag - Reggea artist. Very popular, not prog but part of the swedish "prog comunity". Dice - Obscure symfonic prog. Resealed one self titeled album in 1978 but in 92 an album was released originally recorded in 77. Dimmornas Bro - Heavy symfonic progrock. Two albums. I like this very much. Dungen - Psych-rock, new band with several releases. Egba - Probably the most well known jazz-fusion band. Several albums. Fläsket Brinner - Psych/hippiejam/folk music. Two albums and one 4 CD live compilation. Bo Hansson - Organ player, jazz/psych, several albums, a few concept albums as well. Appears on several albums with other artists. Hoola Bandoola Band - Perhaps the best known band from the swedish progg-movement. Quite good at times, folkrock with a hint of psych. Several albums. Band members went on to fame and fortune as solo-artists. Disregard and avoid! Horizont - Symfonic prog/fusion. Two albums. Isildurs Bane - Several releases earliest are symphonic prog, later more avantgarde. Lars "Lach'n" Jonsson - Experimantal musician, played in Zut Un Feu Rouge and Ur Kaos in the 80's, also released a few solo albums (everything highly recomended) and in 2002 released one exelent album with the band Förträngt Hushållsarbete. Kaipa - Best known of course for being Ronie Stolt's first band. Symfonic prog, allthough their first album is quite different. Active up untill recently. Kebnekajse (or Kebnekaise) - Swedish folk music with hippiejams. Active in the 70's but have reseased a few exelent albums recently as part of their reunion. Knutna Nävar - Political folkrock. Kornet - Jazz/prog, three albums. Kräldjursanstalten - Experimental stuff. Beefheart-ish. Kultivator - Released one masterpiece LP of genious Zeuhl music! Kvartetten Som Sprängde - Jazzprog. I see they are mentioned in a previous post. Originaly released on a tiny label (even by swedish prog-standards) and thus hyper rare! Made In Sweden - Early albums psych but moved towards prog/jazz and fusion. Several albums. Motvind - Heavy rock with a hint of prog. Nationalteatern - Another well known political folk-rock band. Lots of albums. November - Heavy rock, Swedish answer to Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. Nynningen - Political folkrock, at times pastiche-songs. Peps Persson - as with Dag Vag, a popular reggea-artist associated with the movement. Philemon Arthur & the Dung - If they are not prog then what are they? Nobody know who they were, one album was released. As a joke? By people in the movement? By stoned hippies with a cassette recorder? Who knows, who cares, instant cult classic! Psynkopat - Moving into punk-territory now, but too experimental for punks, one album. Ragnarök - Mellow, pastoral symfonic prog. They released four albums + one reunion album, I have only heard the first. Resan - One self titeled cult album, super obscure but have been re-released lately. Psychedelic stuff, folk-rock with some jamming. Råg I Ryggen - Heavy rock with hints of prog. Röde Kapellet - Political folk-rock. Samla Mammas Manna - Later known as Zamla Mammaz Manna and Von Zamla. Experimental/jazz/prog/circus/improv. Lots of releases, everything fantastic but might be a bit offensive to symphrock-fans, later associated with the RIO-movement. Several side projects and solo albums also highly recommended: -Lars Hollmer - Several solo-albums, simpler almost childish. -Ramlösa Kvällar - One live album whith Hollmer and Apetrea released during a SMM hiatus -Coste Apetrea - SMM-guitarist only one record; Nyspolat, jazzrock -Greg Fitzpatrick - Two albums Splash - Jazz/prog/folk music arranged for brass. A bit forgotten, good musicianship. A few albums, three I think. Trettioåriga Kriget - Heavy prog. Changed their name to Kriget and became new wave. Released a few albums in the 70's early 80's (three first are recommended) and then later a few old recordings and reunion albums have been released which is almost a back to form. Träd Gräs och Stenar - Psych/hippiejam. Released four albums in the 70's but the band never really split up, there have been released several live records lately and even studio albums. The band was called Pärsson Sound in the late 60's and there exist a tripple LP of live material on subliminal Sounds. Before TG&S they were called International Harvester and they released one album under the name Harvester. So the chronology is Pärsson Sound -> International Harvester -> Harvester -> Träd Gräs och Stenar, all in the same musical vein. Turid - Female folk singer, several albums. Vildkaktus - Pop/jazzrock/prog. Three albums. Wasa Express - Ranging from interessting arrangements to bland fusion. several albums. Älgarnas Trädgård - One obscure collectors item released, kraut-o-rama! 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Apr 21, 2014 21:21
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Holy poo poo, thanks for this post. I'm rather an aficionado of Swedish prog and I haven't heard 2/3 of this stuff.
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Apr 21, 2014 21:31
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Rollersnake posted:They are two different bands. Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth left after You, they had an awkward/interesting transitional album in Shamal, and then they became Pierre Moerlen's Gong, though they didn't start calling themselves that until Downwind. Gazeuse! and Expresso II are very much Pierre Moerlen's Gong albums, though. Daevid and Gilli put together a new, somewhat punkish lineup of Gong that existed concurrently with Pierre Moerlen's Gong and I think only released one album (Floating Anarchy). Don't they also have an album with Allan Holdsworth on it?
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Apr 21, 2014 23:20
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Yeah, Holdsworth's on Gazeuse! and Expresso II, but I think that's it. The only album on which he's credited as a composer is Gazeuse!
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Apr 21, 2014 23:59
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Rama Lama Magnus posted:Fläsket Brinner - Psych/hippiejam/folk music. Two albums and one 4 CD live compilation. That's a great list, lots of bands i've never heard of there. I've singled these guys out because their grooves are hypnotic and they sound like an early Zappa band at times too.
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Apr 22, 2014 09:45
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Attitude Indicator posted:I like this song, but the band has the same problem as a lot of other "modern" prog bands in that they just ape stuff from the seventies. When the genre started it was all new and about experimentation and not really setting limits for yourself and whatnot, and now it's 40 years later and people are just copying it. It doesn't really make it bad, but it definetly makes it less interesting. I agree, but there's some good stuff that these new old sounding prog bands are doing that's worth listening too. It's sort of like listening to a new album from a jazz group. It's an old style of music that's not been popular for decades, but it's still good to listen to new stuff from an old genre. The problem is the label "progressive" since it isn't actually progressive anymore. Initially, progressive rock was meant to describe a way psychedelic artists of the 60s were pushing popular music beyond the standard 3 minute pop song to new frontiers. But in the mid seventies it became identified with a specific sound and after that it sort of grew stale and gradually loss its popularity. The same could be said of genres like new wave, alternative or indie. All of them started out as pop music that was outside the mainstream and pushing the limits of the rock genre, but they all eventually became identified with a particular sound and gradually lost their popularity thereafter. In truth any new uncharted genre should be considered progressive. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 22, 2014 16:27
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Rollersnake posted:Pure Reason Revolution Theres a pretty rare (1000 copies?) EP called "Victorious Cupid" that was released in a magazine or something that only has 4 songs, but it has the first (and my favorite) version of Victorious Cupid, a remix of it, and acoustic versions of The Intention Craft and Nimos & Tambos. It is by far my favorite thing of theirs. I got really lucky and got a copy on ebay.
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I actually don't like that version of Victorious Cupid (kinda sparse and sloppy, I think), but the acoustic tracks are so good.
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This is new to me, and I'm really interested. Thanks!
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Apr 23, 2014 08:33
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Chocobo posted:This is new to me, and I'm really interested. Thanks! You should definitely check out all their stuff, just going chronologically. Starts off really strong and only gets better (though I'm still not really familiar with their 3 newest albums yet). Other highlights for me include We Subside, Light Up Your Eyes I, Wednesday 6th November, and Little Man
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I'm nearly through the whole Crim 40th catalogue now. Wilson better not be working on the 45th or something. I have everything from Court Of to Discipline except Starless and Bible Back. I have no idea what post-Discipline stuff is like and I've not really heard anything of Starless. Thinking which way is best to go - finish off the immediate chronology and grab Starless or carry on with post-Discipline.
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I've not heard the 40th anniversary of Starless and Bible Black, but it's one of the essential King Crimson albums, and one of those rare albums that manages to amaze me in the first ten seconds. The title track (which is an improv piece) and Fracture are taken from the same show as the live album The Night Watch, and I remember preferring the rawer sound of that mix. I think it's probably easiest to appreciate the post-Discipline studio albums if you listen to them in order. I also have to reiterate that the live album Absent Lovers is the single best post-'70s Crimson release, and I don't feel like I fully appreciated '80s Crimson until I heard it. Also all the ProjeKct releases are kind of mess to sort through, but I highly recommend listening to ProjeKct Three's Masque if nothing else. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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DaWolfey posted:That's a great list, lots of bands i've never heard of there. One of my favourites as well! Check out Arbete & Fritid, Archimedes Badkar, Pärsson Sound/International Harvester/Träd Gräs och Stenar and Baby Grandmothers if you are interested in more imrov-madness. Also there's this Danish band called Dr Dopo Jam that sounds a bit like the early Mothers, at least on their first album, "Entree". The other albums are a lot more polished an unexciting.
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