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But if people die and it creates a surplus then we won't have debt because debt = bad
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Tokamak posted:The government is spreading the good news this Easter Monday. Is there a source for this? That would be exactly the kind of thing needed to ram down people's throats when they say it'll just hurt the dole bludgers.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.themercury.com.au/news/breaking-news/changes-to-disability-pension-spark-worry/story-fnj6ehgr-1226890455991 What I'm getting from this is a "We don't want any more people on DSP, so we'll force you to stay in a job even if it pays less than DSP.". I do love the whole, "Oh, this is aimed at a very small number of people" vibe they're trying to give off. If it's only a small number of people then how exactly is it a major budget concern?
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 04:38 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Is there a source for this? That would be exactly the kind of thing needed to ram down people's throats when they say it'll just hurt the dole bludgers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment#Dangerous_conclusions_and_deaths
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gay picnic defence posted:Is there a source for this? That would be exactly the kind of thing needed to ram down people's throats when they say it'll just hurt the dole bludgers. http://www.bigissue.com/features/3637/atos-deaths-and-welfare-cuts http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/371465/Deaths-warning-as-MPs-blast-Atos http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/disabled-mark-wood-starved-death-3194250
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 04:49 |
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open24hours posted:Would anyone be interested in an Auspol book club? We could read and then chat about books on Australian political history. Probably not something super formal, as I don't read as much as I'd like to (computer games ). However I did just finish reading 'Do Not Ask What Good We Do' about the US house of reps during their year where they had the amazing 9% approval rating and thoroughly enjoyed it. (warning: it can sting of right-wing bias at times, but I think the author is just presenting the tea-party as is and that sets off all my libertarian nerves at once). Know of any books about Aus politics like this? Some third-party-but-close insights to the workings of either house?
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 04:58 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Is there a source for this? That would be exactly the kind of thing needed to ram down people's throats when they say it'll just hurt the dole bludgers. You act like most of the people who would say that are going to care? These are the same people who think we're not tough enough on asylum seekers. Still a good source to use as back up though.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:01 |
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Sanguine posted:Probably not something super formal, as I don't read as much as I'd like to (computer games ). Yeah I wouldn't want anything formal either, just choose a book once a month and read it if you get time sort of thing. I don't know of anything like that about the Australian parliament, but if anyone else does I'd be interested to hear about it.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:03 |
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Lurker, but I would be down for a bookclub.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:16 |
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http://www.wakefieldpress.com.au/product.php?productid=1101 First book of the month. The Downers of South Australia quote:'The Downer family has been seen by the community as part of the backbone of conservative South Australia. An intensely political family who saw public service as public duty.' - Alexander Downer
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:25 |
I would rather poo poo my own pants than read a single page of that book.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:42 |
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People would probably think better of you if you told them you poo poo your pants instead as well. That you were more mentally sound.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:46 |
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Well if we're suggesting books, I'd like to nominate this for consideration. http://www.ecosmagazine.com/?paper=EC11004 It's a popular book and most libraries will have a copy of it.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 06:10 |
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beetroy posted:You act like most of the people who would say that are going to care? These are the same people who think we're not tough enough on asylum seekers. Possibly, but its by and large one of the main fallbacks bigots use to justify our asylum seeker policy, namely that we should look after our own (homeless, elderly, disabled etc). You might not sway them but you can make it clear they're full of poo poo when confronted with both these issues.
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Fruity Gordo posted:Here's the 10,600 figure: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223050/incap_decd_recips_0712.pdf Wait, isn't cutting support for people you know will die of their disability basically back door And the LNP still wants to suggest it?
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 06:41 |
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They've already got the front door going, they need somewhere else to do it.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 06:43 |
I love how everything that the UK Tory government has done is being derided by other neoliberal governments as being too extreme, so australia runs screaming down the hole of madness.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 06:49 |
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adamantium|wang posted:Presented without comment. This is now australia.jpg - no arguments please.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 06:51 |
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That cannot be real
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:03 |
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Oh it's real.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:11 |
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The proceeds are going to charity however.quote:Two strangers armed only with a six-pack of beer have been hailed as heroes for stopping a dog that was savaging an elderly woman outside a home in Sydney's south. I would blow Dane Cook fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Apr 21, 2014 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.wakefieldpress.com.au/product.php?productid=1101 Nah
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:35 |
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beetroy posted:You act like most of the people who would say that are going to care? These are the same people who think we're not tough enough on asylum seekers. At least you can paint them as the unethical scum they are with facts rather than anecdotes. Even if they don't give a gently caress about their fellow human beings someone else reading the argument might.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:36 |
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How about ?
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:39 |
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What about volume two.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:41 |
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He'll probably get volume 4 done first.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:42 |
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GRRM got nothing on KW.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 07:53 |
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http://www.politicsbooks.com.au/ccp0-prodshow/matters-for-judgement-john-kerr.html Ok time for a serious suggestion.
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Fruity Gordo posted:Arbeit macht frei, gimps - Kevin 'Goblin King' Andrews Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.wakefieldpress.com.au/product.php?productid=1101
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open24hours posted:Well if we're suggesting books, I'd like to nominate this for consideration. Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.politicsbooks.com.au/ccp0-prodshow/matters-for-judgement-john-kerr.html Both look interesting. One per month (or two months..) I could probably get done happily. Mind you, Howard's autobiography is sure to be amazing discussion material.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 11:39 |
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Lazarus Rising sounds like the title of a cheap techno thriller you'd find in an airport bookstore.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 12:26 |
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I am amazed that they found a picture of him that doesn't look like a fleshy koala.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 13:08 |
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The world needs a review of that by Peter Costello.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 13:12 |
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I'm sure Peter Hollingworth was glad he was left out.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 13:18 |
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Glenn Lazarus Uprising.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 13:55 |
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What in the world is going on... http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0421-zqxee.html quote:Clive Palmer says 'hopeless' Direct Action plan 'dead' without PUP support
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 14:01 |
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I read that and I still don't know what to think about it. Clive Palmer is leveraging his position, but wouldn't he want Direct Action to be put in place, doesn't it benefit him more than carbon pricing?
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 14:08 |
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He might actually think the carbon tax is more beneficial environmentally. I don't know too much about Clive Palmer, but I got the impression he preferred to be thought of as a sort of noblesse oblige rich type, rather than a FYGMer.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 14:19 |
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The Liberals won't give a poo poo, they never believed in Direct Action to begin with. There'll be no carbon emissions policy whatsoever and they'll be happier for it.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 14:21 |
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Pretty sure last year Palmer said he would restrain from voting on the repeal of the carbon tax because of his conflict of interest. But that's him and not his senators who probably have the intention of getting rid of it.
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