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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

oldpainless posted:

I just beat that zone 2 days ago. Jesus Christ I couldn't imagine what it must have been like pre-patch.

I honestly thought it was really easy, it took me like all of 3 tries to get through, and I did it like two days after release. And I'm not saying I'm a super badass or anything, things like The Pursuer kicked my rear end for a lot longer than they should have.

I guess the thing is I just got really loving good at dodging spells in PvP, which makes The Shrine honestly pretty easy.

Just get really good at timing your rolls, roll slightly towards and to the side diagonally. The magic missiles have some tracking but it can't adjust if you dodge diagonally forward. You can also just roll through them if you time the frames perfectly

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Sivek
Nov 12, 2012

25% off voucher at GMG that's applicable to Dark Souls II.

It only last a day, so get on it.

GMG025-EASTER-024HRS

Combine it with those sweet playfire funbux for some cheap Dark Souls II.

Downs Duck
Nov 19, 2005
"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free do to anything"

Sivek posted:

25% off voucher at GMG that's applicable to Dark Souls II.

It only last a day, so get on it.

GMG025-EASTER-024HRS

Combine it with those sweet playfire funbux for some cheap Dark Souls II.

I thought GMG were sold out for copies of DS2?

vCool

Downs Duck fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Apr 21, 2014

Sivek
Nov 12, 2012

Downs Duck posted:

I thought GMG were sold out for copies of DS2?

Don't know, I just used it a few minutes ago and my order went through.

neetengie
Jul 17, 2013

Shittiest taste in anime and video games.

Sivek posted:

25% off voucher at GMG that's applicable to Dark Souls II.

It only last a day, so get on it.

GMG025-EASTER-024HRS

Combine it with those sweet playfire funbux for some cheap Dark Souls II.

Thanks, got it for 37.50. Don't remember my playfire account though.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Oh hey I guess I rung the second bell! I got to the bottom of Blight Town and fought Quelaag not realizing that I had come around at the second bell from the other side (something I really enjoy about this game), so now Sen's Fortress is open. Some stuff apparently went down at Firelink Shrine due to this, half the NPCs are now missing and the old caged lady I only just actually discovered earlier today is dead now, and after some grumbling the guy who has been hanging out by the bonfire all game has disappeared :shrug:

I see you guys talking about the various stories of the NPCs and I have to admit I haven't got a clue what is going on. Most of them just go,"Hi!" and that's all I get out of them, and I don't know if I'm just missing stuff that is plainly obvious or if there is stuff I have to do to get their stories out of them.

Also, Kingseeker Frampt :stare:

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Jerusalem posted:

Oh hey I guess I rung the second bell! I got to the bottom of Blight Town and fought Quelaag not realizing that I had come around at the second bell from the other side (something I really enjoy about this game), so now Sen's Fortress is open. Some stuff apparently went down at Firelink Shrine due to this, half the NPCs are now missing and the old caged lady I only just actually discovered earlier today is dead now, and after some grumbling the guy who has been hanging out by the bonfire all game has disappeared :shrug:

I see you guys talking about the various stories of the NPCs and I have to admit I haven't got a clue what is going on. Most of them just go,"Hi!" and that's all I get out of them, and I don't know if I'm just missing stuff that is plainly obvious or if there is stuff I have to do to get their stories out of them.

Also, Kingseeker Frampt :stare:

If its your first run, you're going to miss almost all of the NPC side stories, and that's a-okay. Don't worry about it. Just keep your eyes open and make mental notes (like you have been, good job!) and then you'll start to piece together the story. Then on your next run, either NG+ or a new character, once you know your way around the game / look up what you have to do on a wiki, you can go dig into those subtle side stories. They're something bonus, and they're kinda cool, but they're really subtle and everybody misses them the first time.

Most of them you do have to talk to multiple times to get things out of the, but even then its subtle, or they very well may have nothing to say until you do something you don't yet know about. Just keep playing the game.

Don't worry, you're doing great.

And yeah Frampt is some WTF

Downs Duck
Nov 19, 2005
"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free do to anything"

Zaphod42 posted:

If its your first run, you're going to miss almost all of the NPC side stories, and that's a-okay. Don't worry about it.

Very relieved to hear this, as I feel I am missing large parts of the game whenever I read posts in this thread.

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

Sivek posted:

25% off voucher at GMG that's applicable to Dark Souls II.

It only last a day, so get on it.

GMG025-EASTER-024HRS

Combine it with those sweet playfire funbux for some cheap Dark Souls II.

Thanks a lot, appreciated, was able to make the order. Maybe post this in the DS2 PC thread? I might do it myself, since this was a good deal.

sector_corrector
Jan 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm up to where I quit last time, Orstein and Smough. Anyone have any tips beyond summoning Solaire and putting fire on my weapon?

Also, I forgot to get the item that lets you move through deep water while I was in the depths. Is that something I should do at some point?

Chris Christie
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

sector_corrector posted:

I'm up to where I quit last time, Orstein and Smough. Anyone have any tips beyond summoning Solaire and putting fire on my weapon?


Personally I found it MUCH easier to kill Smough first and then giant Ornstein, even though everywhere online seems to say the opposite is easier. Once I switched to Smough first, I got them on my first try. With some distraction from Solaire of course.

Smough goes down so much faster, leaving Solarie with plenty of health so you have him distracting Ornstrein for much longer. I was able to get Ornstein down to 1/3 life before he killed Solaire, and I was a little 20 strength pansy swinging a girly sword.

Yesterday and today I've been plowing levels into strength and leveling a black knight halberd I picked up. That thing is awesome. I just went into the DLC and charged straight at the first boss like a madman and tore him to pieces. Didn't even bother blocking all that much, when he knocked me down I just got up swinging.

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012

sector_corrector posted:

I'm up to where I quit last time, Orstein and Smough. Anyone have any tips beyond summoning Solaire and putting fire on my weapon?

Also, I forgot to get the item that lets you move through deep water while I was in the depths. Is that something I should do at some point?

Just be very patient and dick around the pillars since one of them won't be really able to deal with it. Getting cocky/reckless will kill you very quickly. Smough takes more damage but has a bigger health bar, and Ornstein has good defense but relatively lower health (basically, it doesn't really matter). The Super versions aren't pushovers, either. S. Smough can easily one-shot you if you gently caress up a roll and his butt-stomp now causes an electric shockwave that you've got to time your roll on (which, if you gently caress up, you're probably dead). S. Ornstein just gets really big without getting slower and has the same butt-stomp along with an unblockable skewer-and-zap attack that will probably kill you (notice a pattern), but his other moves are still the same and fairly easy to counter-act if you know what he can do. Try to save your Estus until the second half if you can and keep your health topped off once you hit it.

The Rusted Iron Ring is available in a return trip to the Undead Asylum and requires a key in Firelink Shrine on top of a roof along the way.

Sivek
Nov 12, 2012

sector_corrector posted:

I'm up to where I quit last time, Orstein and Smough. Anyone have any tips beyond summoning Solaire and putting fire on my weapon?

Also, I forgot to get the item that lets you move through deep water while I was in the depths. Is that something I should do at some point?

The Rusted Iron Ring is mainly useful for the Blighttown swamps and seeing that you're already past that area, it's not terribly important to grab. You find it in another area though, not the Depths, and that area has some stuff worth grabbing.

As for boss help, I know this sounds incredibly simplistic, but maybe try to fight them as one enemy, rather than trying to separate them. This means being playing really defensively and makes for a long fight, but that's basically how I did it. Just wait until your get an opening on one of them, take a swipe, don't be greedy, and then go back on defense.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Well Lost Izalith is certainly easy to get lost in. Everything looks the same! Also I think giant dinosaur legs are about the strangest enemy in this game so far.

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

Regy Rusty posted:

Well Lost Izalith is certainly easy to get lost in. Everything looks the same! Also I think giant dinosaur legs are about the strangest enemy in this game so far.

Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, dino legs for everone.

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012
Since I've got a second Claymore kicking around and I like that moveset a lot, should I go ahead and make it Divine for my next NG+, or is there another element that would suit it better?

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Regy Rusty posted:

Well Lost Izalith is certainly easy to get lost in. Everything looks the same! Also I think giant dinosaur legs are about the strangest enemy in this game so far.

The undead dragon asses basically have like no aggro range so as long as you stay away, you shouldn't have to deal with them. Lost Izalith is a terrible locale regardless.

HGH
Dec 20, 2011

Regy Rusty posted:

Well Lost Izalith is certainly easy to get lost in. Everything looks the same! Also I think giant dinosaur legs are about the strangest enemy in this game so far.

It's just such a confusing enemy type. Like...why? What possible chain of events led to this?

Wearing a ton of fire resistance plus the firewalking ring should help you navigate the lava parts without ever worrying about health. Also there's a hidden bonfire that cuts on walking around time.

The fire breathing statues kinda confuse me. Sometimes they're clearly breathing but you can't seem to hurt them till they're actively attacking you?

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

sector_corrector posted:

I'm up to where I quit last time, Orstein and Smough. Anyone have any tips beyond summoning Solaire and putting fire on my weapon?

Also, I forgot to get the item that lets you move through deep water while I was in the depths. Is that something I should do at some point?

What sl level are you? You should be able to summon another player from around the bonfire that would provide more help then solaire can.

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Oct 30, 2009

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You see the front half of a dragon in Valley of Drakes so presumably dragons just break in half easily and they all fell down there during the war?

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

sector_corrector posted:

I'm up to where I quit last time, Orstein and Smough. Anyone have any tips beyond summoning Solaire and putting fire on my weapon?
Kite Ornstein away from Smough, trying to get Smough hung up on a pillar where you can. Don't attack if you're not sure where both are, just keep kiting. Never let yourself get backed up against a wall or caught out in the open where Smough can bum-rush you.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

oldpainless posted:

You see the front half of a dragon in Valley of Drakes so presumably dragons just break in half easily and they all fell down there during the war?

The one in the Painted World also rips himself apart crawling at you.

Haha get the gently caress out Kirk you can't even beat me when you invade at the same time as I'm fighting another Witch's daughter.

sector_corrector
Jan 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

neonbregna posted:

What sl level are you? You should be able to summon another player from around the bonfire that would provide more help then solaire can.

I can't quite remember. 43, maybe? I'm running a dex character with a +9 Iaito, for what it's worth.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Siegmeyer event completed! Phew! Now the only suspense left is Solaire.

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down

Regy Rusty posted:

Siegmeyer event completed! Phew!

The part in Lost Izalith?

There's more to his story, but you'll have to find another character and advance theirs too. Though, this is the point where it gets kind of obscure (well, more so). The other character is obvious if you do manage to stumble upon exactly the right area, at least.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

animatorZed posted:

The part in Lost Izalith?

There's more to his story, but you'll have to find another character and advance theirs too. Though, this is the point where it gets kind of obscure (well, more so). The other character is obvious if you do manage to stumble upon exactly the right area, at least.

I got her and did her story up to this point. I think there's only one more event with them now.

And Solaire lives! Don't worry kiddo, everything's gonna turn out alright. You don't need a sun.

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

Regy Rusty posted:

I got her and did her story up to this point. I think there's only one more event with them now.

And Solaire lives! Don't worry kiddo, everything's gonna turn out alright. You don't need a sun.

Correct, head on down to Ash Lake for the happy reunion.

And since you saved Solaire he's available to summon for the final boss now.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Regy Rusty posted:

I got her and did her story up to this point. I think there's only one more event with them now.

And Solaire lives! Don't worry kiddo, everything's gonna turn out alright. You don't need a sun.

Man that last sentence would sound even more depressing if I heard it spoken aloud and didn't read it.

You know where Ash Lake is, right?

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

I do! I'll warp straight there as soon as I beat the Bed of Chaos. Currently I'm having trouble making the jump onto the root that appeared when the floor falls away.

Gah that time I overshot it!

Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Apr 21, 2014

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
What class should I start with, if my intent is to use the Zweihander as early as possible.

neetengie
Jul 17, 2013

Shittiest taste in anime and video games.

Alteisen posted:

What class should I start with, if my intent is to use the Zweihander as early as possible.

Bandit. Are you going for the Giantdad build?

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Alteisen posted:

What class should I start with, if my intent is to use the Zweihander as early as possible.

You need like, 16 strength to use the Zweihander, you can pretty much get it as soon as you leave the asylum.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

neetengie posted:

Bandit. Are you going for the Giantdad build?

No, not at all, I've actually never used it my 4 playthroughs, but I'm curious about it now.

animatorZed
Jan 2, 2008
falling down

Regy Rusty posted:

Gah that time I overshot it!

Rolling is way easier than actually doing a full jump.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Got Ser Onion's ending. :smith: At least his daughter can move on now.

On the Bed of Chaos - it's kind of an interesting idea for a boss, but it doesn't give you the same kind of satisfaction when you beat it. You just have to keep throwing yourself at it until you can make the jump and it's pretty much over.

The whole area in general's biggest problem (in addition to the blandness itself) is that it doesn't live up to the expectations set by what you hear about it. Quelaag and her sister, and the story Quelana tells you all set the place up to be more interesting than it is. It would've been really cool to explore a much larger ruined city and meet some actual variety of twisted inhabitants. Oh well. DLC time!

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

Alteisen posted:

What class should I start with, if my intent is to use the Zweihander as early as possible.

Early as possible you say, then Pyromancer. Four points into strength will give you the 16 you need to two hand the weapon, and put you at SL 5.
Bandit would be the other choice, starts with better combats stats, and only needs two levels to two hand the Zweihander.

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

Regy Rusty posted:

Got Ser Onion's ending. :smith: At least his daughter can move on now.

On the Bed of Chaos - it's kind of an interesting idea for a boss, but it doesn't give you the same kind of satisfaction when you beat it. You just have to keep throwing yourself at it until you can make the jump and it's pretty much over.

The whole area in general's biggest problem (in addition to the blandness itself) is that it doesn't live up to the expectations set by what you hear about it. Quelaag and her sister, and the story Quelana tells you all set the place up to be more interesting than it is. It would've been really cool to explore a much larger ruined city and meet some actual variety of twisted inhabitants. Oh well. DLC time!

Bed of Chaos/Lost Izaleth are were you can tell the developers ran out of time. It's really noticeable with the copy/pasted fire bringing lizards and dinosaur butts. The DLC is worlds better in comparison.

Edit: Opps double post.

neetengie
Jul 17, 2013

Shittiest taste in anime and video games.

Matlock Birthmark posted:

Early as possible you say, then Pyromancer. Four points into strength will give you the 16 you need to two hand the weapon, and put you at SL 5.
Bandit would be the other choice, starts with better combats stats, and only needs two levels to two hand the Zweihander.

Bandit needs three, one in Dexterity (but don't tell anyone you leveled that up).

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

neetengie posted:

Bandit needs three, one in Dexterity (but don't tell anyone you leveled that up).

And so does the Pyromancer, whoops, forgot the dex requirement on the Zwei.

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Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

When would be a good time to take out the merchant in the undead burg? I want his katana.

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