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Hoops posted:Hired a manager, he wasn't working, sacked him, got someone else. It's only something to write 10,000 words about if you're a club who had Alex Ferguson for 27 years. The fans will get used to it, just like Madrid, Barca, Bayern, and god knows the big Italian clubs are used to it. Pretty much. The manager was given as much support as he reasonably could be, which was always the point. He was never going to be sacked for "not winning things", and he'd still be receiving support now if there was a reasonable chance that he could turn the situation around. However, the odds on that are... not good. Also, mentioning TalkSPORT just now reminded me again of the time they complained that City signed David Silva and Yaya Toure instead of "someone people had heard of, like John Terry", and I laughed at that again, in this, the year of our Lord Two Thousand and Fourteen.
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Eric Cantonese posted:From what the Twitter experts say, it looks like Man-U is passive-aggressively trying to make Moyes' situation as intolerable as possible without actually sacking him in an effort to avoid paying out on the 6 year contract they gave him. THE UNITED WAY
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Ravel posted:Manchester United will finish no higher than fifth with their new manager
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Pretty much. The manager was given as much support as he reasonably could be, which was always the point. He was never going to be sacked for "not winning things", and he'd still be receiving support now if there was a reasonable chance that he could turn the situation around. However, the odds on that are... not good. He was never the right choice. A bad appointment and a disaster everybody with a brain saw coming a mile off.
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TheGoatFeeder posted:In actual Premier League news, Burnley have just been promoted, decent away day that. Phwoar, proper chuffed. Hope nobody pinches Ings/Vokes from them. Another academy product making the prem.
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Eric Cantonese posted:From what the Twitter experts say, it looks like Man-U is passive-aggressively trying to make Moyes' situation as intolerable as possible without actually sacking him in an effort to avoid paying out on the 6 year contract they gave him. If "hiring Dennis Wise and letting him sign players off Youtube" is acceptable in court as Constructive Dismissal, I'm pretty sure that leaking to the press that you'd been fired so that you'd resign (why would you even resign if you'd already been fired?) would be pretty nailed on. I'd be amazed if there was much truth in it.
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Pissflaps posted:He was never the right choice. A bad appointment and a disaster everybody with a brain saw coming a mile off. And you as well 
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TheGoatFeeder posted:In actual Premier League news, Burnley have just been promoted, decent away day that. Turf Moor  My grandad used to take me to games back in the 80s.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Was there any evidence those other managers actually wanted the job? xx million and complete control of a club the size of Utd would make any one of those three interested. I don't personally think the current united board understand the importance of the manager without Gill reminding them and so wouldn't offer enough to make anyone decent think twice. Like Arsene Wenger choosing whoever's going to replace Ramsey.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:The manager was given as much support as he reasonably could be, which was always the point. He was never going to be sacked for "not winning things"
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FullLeatherJacket posted:If "hiring Dennis Wise and letting him sign players off Youtube" is acceptable in court as Constructive Dismissal, I'm pretty sure that leaking to the press that you'd been fired so that you'd resign (why would you even resign if you'd already been fired?) would be pretty nailed on. e; this paragraph was a mess I'm rewriting it. Curbishley got his full contract paid out after resigning, because the chairman signed actually good players and it made Curbishley's utter dross players upset. Moyes could walk and get the full contract right now, the club haven't done nearly enough to combat this in the press. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Apr 21, 2014 |
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Hoops posted:In football, whats the difference? Don't be pedantic about it. A City or a Chelsea manager coming in is going to be expected to win trophies. Even Mourinho, if he doesn't win anything in the next couple of years is pretty likely to be shown the door. Chelsea managers can also be fired for "not defending a trophy"; "being fat and Spanish"; and "promoting the youth team at the expense of Frank Lampard". There was no real obligation on Moyes to win anything this year, and more than likely the next couple of years as well. That's some way removed from looking physically incapable of managing a football club.
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:tbf all but like 2 of those have been penalties Yeah, and all but one of Rooney's league goals have come against mid-table or lower sides this season. That one goal was against Man City who screwed United 4-1. If I'm feeling generous I'll give you two he scored against Spurs to make it a 2-2 draw, but Spurs are lovely and mid-table as far as I'm concerned.
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Strawman posted:Back then they had a chance of attracting players of the same standard as replacements, if Rooney leaves the quality of the team will be lower for the foreseeable future unless they get lucky and find a Suarez.
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Is there any reliable source for any part of this story? I'm not calling bullshit or anything, I just want to read something substantive.
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Eric Cantonese posted:From what the Twitter experts say, it looks like Man-U is passive-aggressively trying to make Moyes' situation as intolerable as possible without actually sacking him in an effort to avoid paying out on the 6 year contract they gave him. There have been reports of a clause that lets them only pay out for the first 2 years of the contract if Utd finish outside the top 4.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Don't be pedantic about it. A City or a Chelsea manager coming in is going to be expected to win trophies. Even Mourinho, if he doesn't win anything in the next couple of years is pretty likely to be shown the door. Chelsea managers can also be fired for "not defending a trophy"; "being fat and Spanish"; and "promoting the youth team at the expense of Frank Lampard". You thought he was a good choice to manage united lol
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Beige posted:Is there any reliable source for any part of this story? I'm not calling bullshit or anything, I just want to read something substantive. The source is United
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Beige posted:Is there any reliable source for any part of this story? I'm not calling bullshit or anything, I just want to read something substantive. Nope. The Times literally printed their own story because they didn't want to be scooped by the Telegraph. edit: The source is United, but there's not going to be anyone going on record or anything of that nature.
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Beige posted:Is there any reliable source for any part of this story? I'm not calling bullshit or anything, I just want to read something substantive. The only thing that gives me hope is that United haven't denied it upon being asked by Manchester Evening News and the like. Also, apparently United aren't allowed to make major announcements during NYSE trading hours... That might very well be bollocks.
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Paperhouse posted:Attracting players is more about money than anything else though. City paid their way from mediocrity to the top, signing players like Aguero, Toure and Silva before winning anything iirc and it didn't really take them very long. United won't have any trouble getting good players in if they're willing to pay what the other teams do. Its funny how quickly its turned to players signing for Man Utd because of the money and nothing else though
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Pissflaps posted:You thought he was a good choice to manage united lol Who do you think should manage Manchester United FC, Pissflaps? ayb posted:Honestly, I bet at this point the board is trying to shore up a replacement for the rest of the season. Giggs would probably want the job on a permanent basis which the board won't commit to right now. I can't see Giggs being that far up his own arse. It's United, not Spurs.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Who do you think should manage Manchester United FC, Pissflaps? Robert Martinez
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Pissflaps posted:Robert Martinez This unironically
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FullLeatherJacket posted:I can't see Giggs being that far up his own arse. It's United, not Spurs. Not that big of a stretch considering the man was up his sister-in-law's arse for a decade or so.
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Spangly A posted:This unironically I'm not being ironic.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Who do you think should manage Manchester United FC, Pissflaps? Apparently Pissflaps isn't allowed to make major predictions during NYSE trading hours...
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FullLeatherJacket posted:and more than likely the next couple of years as well.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not being ironic. I like this. I approve of this.
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TheGoatFeeder posted:In actual Premier League news, Burnley have just been promoted, decent away day that. I wonder how Danny Ings will do in the Premier League, he was great against us in the cup earlier this season.
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Hoops posted:I think this is still a reflection of being spoiled for so long. The next guy will get his one season, then if he doesn't win anything he'll be gone too. The problem is getting United fans to understand that their club of choice is literally like any other. The only thing that marked them out as 'special' was having the once-in-a-generation talent of Alex Ferguson fall in their lap at the beginning of the Sky money. I think they're slowly coming round though.
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tbp posted:I'd love for someone to pull up the United Supporter post from, I think August or September, where they said "hope all the plastics quote this when it's business as usual" or something like that I too would like this
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Jose posted:Its funny how quickly its turned to players signing for Man Utd because of the money and nothing else though That's probably not true either, but people are busy trying to convince themselves that United are the new Leeds and why would any manager even want to take the top job at one of the most famous and prestigious clubs in the world? Even if it were the case, it wouldn't matter that much unless the money ran out.
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Pissflaps posted:The problem is getting United fans to understand that their club of choice is literally like any other. The only thing that marked them out as 'special' was having the once-in-a-generation talent of Alex Ferguson fall in their lap at the beginning of the Sky money. Agreed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWjFtct4O5s
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