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e: nm, this is probably a "reputable TN" case rather than worrying about IPS
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I'm shopping for a new 27" monitor and price-wise I'm looking at the U2713HM at the high end, the ASUS PB278Q in the middle, and this $400 Acer K272HUL at the low end. The last of these appears to actually be a variant of VA that is close in performance to IPS, hence the cheaper price. I work from home and spend the vast majority of my time writing code and web development (but not much in the way of graphic design or images). I'm a pretty casual gamer, maybe playing SC2 or DOTA2 occasionally, but other than that I just browse the forums/web and watch YouTube. I'm wondering if it's worth dropping the extra ~100-200 for either the ASUS or the Dell, or if the Acer is a good value for what I'd use it for.
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Apr 18, 2014 22:46
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One of the big things the extra $75 between the Acer and the ASUS buys you is a good stand: the Acer has tilt adjustment, the ASUS has tilt/swivel/pivot/height adjustments. The Acer is absolutely a "budget" monitor, and while it will no doubt work for your needs, I'd expect you'll find the QA and overall 'fit and finish' of the ASUS/Dell to be better. Whether or not that's worth the extra money is up to you.
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Apr 18, 2014 22:58
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DrDork posted:One of the big things the extra $75 between the Acer and the ASUS buys you is a good stand: the Acer has tilt adjustment, the ASUS has tilt/swivel/pivot/height adjustments. The Acer is absolutely a "budget" monitor, and while it will no doubt work for your needs, I'd expect you'll find the QA and overall 'fit and finish' of the ASUS/Dell to be better. Whether or not that's worth the extra money is up to you. Be aware, you can always find articulating mounts for less than the difference, but at that price point, they're also more effort to install than just standing up the monitor.
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Apr 19, 2014 02:43
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Got a new computer for my stepdad and I'm giving him my current monitor (ASUS VW246H). Was only looking to spend ~$200, but a Dell U2414H is $270 right now. It's been a while since I've bought a new monitor and don't think I've ever spent more than $200 on one, so I'm not really sure what I should be considering in my price range and the past few pages have mostly been talking about $400+ monitors. I don't do any kind of graphic work/video editing, but do game a lot when I have the time. The other option would be I keep my ASUS and I'd need a recommendation for something that only costs ~$150 for him. He's only using it for office work and doesn't need anything where the color will blow him away.
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Apr 19, 2014 17:01
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Shyfted One posted:Got a new computer for my stepdad and I'm giving him my current monitor (ASUS VW246H). While this thread talks a lot about $300+ monitors, the $150 offerings are quite good now too. There's a lot of 1080p, IPS, little delay options available for $140-$160. Dell's S2240m was on my mind for a while when I was building a new computer. I haven't heard any complains about it.
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Apr 20, 2014 09:31
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Thanks! That seems perfect for my stepdad. Just ordered an open box one off BLINQ for $115.
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Apr 20, 2014 10:53
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I've got this old, 20" NEC 20wmgx2 that I recently tried to replace with a Dell U2312HM, and I think I'm going to just send the Dell back. I mean this NEC is going on 10 years old I think, but the picture is so much better (to me) than this brand new one. Am I spoiled by an old, expensive screen or am I just accustomed to it? I think the darks come through way better on the older NEC. It feels like the Dell has really bad color quality near black. Like the screen is just washed out with light. And I've tried getting the color settings close to the 'sRGB' color setting on the older NEC but it feels like I can't quite get there. I'd really like to move up to a larger, 24+ inch screen, though. I'm clearly not really up to date on monitors since I've just been hanging onto the same screen since like 2005-2006. Is there anything out there that would satisfy me in terms of a larger screen, really good colors near black, and accurate sRGB colors in general?
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Apr 20, 2014 18:13
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I'm currently using a Gigabyte Z87M-D3h motherboard with an Core i5 4670k, and I'm using the integrated Intel HD 4600 video on the CPU, with a Dell 1920x1200 monitor plugged into the DVI port. I'm planning on getting one of the Korean 2560x1440 monitors, but quote:1 x DVI-D port, supporting a maximum resolution of 1920x1200 it doesn't support that resolution on the DVI port. The HDMI port however supports "1 x HDMI ports, supporting a maximum resolution of 4096 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz". So could I use a HDMI to DVI cable with the Korean monitor, or is there going to be some problem with that? Should I just get a dedicated video card instead?
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Apr 21, 2014 18:31
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:So could I use a HDMI to DVI cable with the Korean monitor, or is there going to be some problem with that? Should I just get a dedicated video card instead?
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Apr 21, 2014 18:40
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I do not believe you can get that resolution from an adapter, although I don't know why. The adapter itself will have to have a power source. It's probably best to get a graphics card, which is unfortunate since the integrated graphics will support 1440p. Although I'm assuming you aren't going to be gaming with that
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Apr 21, 2014 18:42
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I can't believe I didn't check for a thread on SA before buying my monitor. Regardless, I was replacing my old 22inch Samsung with a new Samsung and got a nasty shock. The new Samsung monitors don't have any VESA holes!! I googled it and discovered that no new Samsung monitors have holes and neither do new BENQ monitors either. WTF? This was not mentioned on newegg and in fact newegg offer bundles with monitor arms! I don't want to pay the 15% restocking fee just so I can get a monitor which I can mount on the dual display arms I have. Also don't want to use foam or tape to mount the monitor . . . despite it being significantly lighter than the older LCD model. Any advice on this? I admit I haven't read through this thread, but in case you guys didn't already know: Don't buy a new monitor from Samsung or Benq if you hope to mount them on any arms! 
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Apr 21, 2014 22:54
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I'd really try and reason with Newegg to get that return.
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Apr 21, 2014 22:55
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sigma 6 posted:Don't buy a new monitor from Samsung or Benq if you hope to mount them on any arms!
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Apr 21, 2014 22:59
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You might be able to find an adapter to let you use it with vesa mounts. My monitor doesn't have any holes but there's a part available on amazon that slides into it's regular slot for the default stand and it has a backplate thing with the vesa holes on it. It was like $20 or something, but if the option exists for your monitor it might be less hassle than returning your monitor or ghettoing together a solution from duct tape and cork board.
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Apr 21, 2014 23:04
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Alereon posted:You wouldn't be able to use an HDMI->DVI adapter for >1920x1200 as you need dual-link DVI, it sounds like a videocard would be the correct choice since your motherboard doesn't have DisplayPort. Make sure any videocard you consider has dual-link DVI or this will not work! Ah, I hadn't noticed the DVI-HDMI cables are single link. Guess I'll look at some video cards. Ignoarints posted:Although I'm assuming you aren't going to be gaming with that The only gaming I do on my computer are emulators and older games. So far I've been completely satisfied with the IGP performance for this, so that should give you an idea of my graphic performance needs.
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Apr 21, 2014 23:05
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:Newegg should have pictures from all sides of the monitor and you can see for yourself if the holes are there. It does not. EDIT: Update. The newegg rep agreed to a return without restocking fee. Welp . . . heads up to you guys buying monitors anyways. sigma 6 fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 21, 2014 23:52
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Click the 3 dots and there's more pictures. One of which is a rear view, showing no VESA holes. e: 
butt dickus fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 22, 2014 00:02
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Ah - didn't click on the additional pics before I ordered it.
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Apr 22, 2014 00:25
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:Ah, I hadn't noticed the DVI-HDMI cables are single link. Guess I'll look at some video cards. At least you won't have too much to match it, although I am always surprised by how well the HD 4600 does all things considered. I wouldn't even know where to start as to finding something comparable though sigma 6 posted:Ah - didn't click on the additional pics before I ordered it. Even still, that is kind of weird to me too. Monitors are lighter than ever why leave four little studs out of all of them.
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Apr 22, 2014 02:48
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Yeah - even weirder that manufacturers just aren't bothering with them at all. Can anyone recommend a good 22-23 inch monitor which DOES come with VESA holes and is around $150? Obviously, I am looking for the same thing as this, only with the VESA holes.
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Apr 22, 2014 03:24
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Honestly, Samsung hasn't had VESA mounting on a majority of their monitors (maybe all? dunno) for a while now. Some manufacturers care more about how the back of the monitor looks like than actually putting useful VESA holes.
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Apr 22, 2014 04:23
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Another thing monitor manufacturers are doing on cheap panels is using some kind of power brick adapter instead of a standard power cord, which slims down on weight inside the panel but you won't be able to run them through longer monitor mounts.
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Apr 22, 2014 04:54
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sigma 6 posted:Can anyone recommend a good 22-23 inch monitor which DOES come with VESA holes and is around $150? I recently purchased an Asus VN248H-P which is now $160 AR. I got it for a bit less, and feel it is pretty decent - IPS with vibrant colors and newer, less gritty anti-glare coating. The main negative is that the VESA mount is pretty much mandatory - I managed to shake the fucker just by typing when mounted on its included stand. My second choice would've been this LG IPS234P-VN, currently $150, but frequently $135 or so. Also IPS, but be aware that it uses an external power brick as mentioned above.
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Apr 22, 2014 07:20
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I know this is about vesa mounts, but that LG monitor series has the worst pedestals I've ever seen. Everyone says qnix has a lovely stand, and while I guess its not great, it was way better than the LG
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Apr 22, 2014 14:41
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I have the smaller (21.5") version of that LG and can confirm that the stand is absolute poo poo. It does have mounting holes, however, as well as VGA, DVI, HDMI and HDMI audio return ports. If I remember right the power brick is a wall wart. I keep it as a spare since it's lightweight and has a lot of inputs, but the picture is great for the price.
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Apr 22, 2014 14:56
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Yeah I agree for the money its hard to beat. And the 27 has the best input lag for some reason. But man that stand, it's like it was designed to bend back and forth
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Apr 22, 2014 15:23
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Replacement Monoprice monitor #3 came in today (IPS-Glass 27"), and reluctantly, I think I'll be keeping this one. Within the next few months, I'm going to be down to just a laptop since I'll be packing everything I can't sell into my car and moving across the country, so I need something with DisplayPort so I can continue to work before I get set up again. This one has no dead pixels or major assembly defects this time, just the problems people have pointed out in the past here and on review sites, such as obscene amounts of IPS glow in the bottom corners (more in the bottom left). The panels in these must also have some poor quality light guide plates in them because every one I've tried has brightness uniformity issues (asymmetry and dark blotches on white/gray screens). I'm willing to wager most of the light bleed/glow problems would vanish if the backlight weren't so overpowered. These things are rated at around 450 cd/m², which is ridiculous, considering most other models don't go far beyond 300 cd/m², and a calibrated display will sit at around 150 cd/m². I have the brightness turned down to 0 and I wish it would go farther. By the way, when I say no major defects, this is what I mean. Apparently, unplugging the power causes part of the DC jack to come with it. Go, China! 
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Apr 22, 2014 23:35
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I know monoprice monitors != monoprice cables, but drat if that one isnt living up to my poor view of monoprice.
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Apr 23, 2014 01:37
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I know a few other people here are waiting for the upcoming 34" ultra wide monitors and it seems that they are actually being sold and distributed in the US off of Amazon if you're willing to pony up the cash for it, LG has released their 34" to limited availability and someone put up an unboxing video and maybe the only video of this in someone's hands on this side of the ocean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffwrFQNTt0
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Apr 23, 2014 03:04
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Shame the LG monitor is ridiculously expensive. I had around 800-100 bucks lined up for when they came out, and when the price was announced on the LG ($1500USD, $shitloadsAUD) I just went and bought a QNIX for 250AUD and forgot about 21:9.
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Apr 23, 2014 07:14
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BurritoJustice posted:Shame the LG monitor is ridiculously expensive. I had around 800-100 bucks lined up for when they came out, and when the price was announced on the LG ($1500USD, $shitloadsAUD) I just went and bought a QNIX for 250AUD and forgot about 21:9. Hoping Dell keeps that poo poo under a grand
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Apr 23, 2014 07:25
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BurritoJustice posted:Shame the LG monitor is ridiculously expensive. I had around 800-100 bucks lined up for when they came out, and when the price was announced on the LG ($1500USD, $shitloadsAUD) I just went and bought a QNIX for 250AUD and forgot about 21:9. I know ASUS has a TN (ugh) 4k monitor that does 60hz over DP for about $800AUD, which you can get over at PC case gear if you ~must~ have a 4k monitor.
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Apr 23, 2014 12:08
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Guni posted:I know ASUS has a TN (ugh) 4k monitor that does 60hz over DP for about $800AUD, which you can get over at PC case gear if you ~must~ have a 4k monitor. If you are talking about this Samsung, the reviews for it are surprisingly pretty great. My sli 570s would lay down and cry in front of games at that resolution though, it is bad enough at 1440p (also no DP on Fermi cards this old)Checking PCCG I noticed that they have a 295x2 listed now which would do ok. Only 1900AUD! 
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Apr 23, 2014 12:51
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BurritoJustice posted:If you are talking about this Samsung, the reviews for it are surprisingly pretty great. My sli 570s would lay down and cry in front of games at that resolution though, it is bad enough at 1440p My apologies, I did mean that Samsung. gently caress your 570's, you've already given yourself a solution - buy a 295x2 as well!
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Apr 23, 2014 13:11
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What are TN panels like these days? I moved from a TN Samsung to an Ultrasharp U2412M a couple of years back and while I love the better colours the ghosting sometimes bothers me, although it only seems to happen with certain coloured backgrounds. My secondary TN monitor is wearing out so I'm thinking of making my Ultrasharp the secondary and getting a 27-30 inch monitor to be my new primary. Are high-end TN panels comparable in any way to IPS panels today in terms of colours? Are newer IPS panels better about ghosting? I don't really want 4K so anything from 1200p to 1600p would do me fine. EDIT: the monitor would be used mostly for gaming, browsing, and office work
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:What are TN panels like these days? I moved from a TN Samsung to an Ultrasharp U2412M a couple of years back and while I love the better colours the ghosting sometimes bothers me, although it only seems to happen with certain coloured backgrounds. My secondary TN monitor is wearing out so I'm thinking of making my Ultrasharp the secondary and getting a 27-30 inch monitor to be my new primary. The problems seem to be inherent in each technology, ie. ips are inherently slower and tn inherently have a limited color space. Both of these techs have come up with some tricks to help reduce these problems, but they're still not perfect. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ usually go into detail with color space and response time when doing panel reviews However, if you're not going to be editing any photos and only want to game/browse, a tn panel should be fine if it has a decent srgb gamut. edit: I wish there were a true 8bit panel which could do 144hz, but somebody has yet to come up with that tech. I'm thinking of just getting separate monitors; one for color critical work and one for high end gaming. KinkyJohn fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Apr 23, 2014 14:27
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KinkyJohn posted:The problems seem to be inherent in each technology, ie. ips are inherently slower and tn inherently have a limited color space. Both of these techs have come up with some tricks to help reduce these problems, but they're still not perfect. I'm not doing any colour-sensitive work but if it's a choice between IPS's colours and TN's speed I'd take the colours every time. Ah well
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Apr 23, 2014 14:42
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I know this is a lame answer, but going to go look at them makes a big difference when it comes to that
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BurritoJustice posted:Shame the LG monitor is ridiculously expensive. I had around 800-100 bucks lined up for when they came out, and when the price was announced on the LG ($1500USD, $shitloadsAUD) I just went and bought a QNIX for 250AUD and forgot about 21:9. And for some wider exposure and a more professional video review, we have an actually critical review of the LG 34UM95 out today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnrxNfxRK_4
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