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I hate you and I hate your puns, as well.
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Whip Slagcheek posted:I hate you and I hate your puns, as well. A probation??? I'm sure his aim wasn't to draw your fire like that.
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Apr 23, 2014 03:20
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beanieson posted:A probation??? I'm sure his aim wasn't to draw your fire like that. On subject, what is your normal day like? I read earlier you pick up and drop off your guns at lock-up, do you leave your cars at the station or take them home? Do you ever run the sirens so that you can pick up coffee faster, or is that a bigger deal then a lot of people think it is? Turtlicious fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Apr 23, 2014 03:27
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Turtlicious posted:He's a loose cannon. Not sure about that, I work in the south and personally own most of the firearms that I carry at work. As far as "typical" days, there really aren't any. I work investigations and am on call pretty much all the time for major incidents, which means I have a take home car and haven't turned my phone on vibrate in years. I'm on call tonight, till 6am. Maybe I'll sleep, maybe I won't  Some days I get to the office and can catch up on paperwork, some days I don't make it to the office at all because I'm going from scene to scene. It's part of the appeal for me really, keeps things interesting. I haven't ever used the siren to beat the lunch rush, but I won't claim that it never happens 
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Apr 23, 2014 03:32
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our cameras and recorders come on every time you turn on the lights so that is a no no
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Apr 23, 2014 03:39
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Branis posted:our cameras and recorders come on every time you turn on the lights so that is a no no That too, I don't have a camera I'm my truck but all of patrol does and recording with the lights seems like the standard.
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Apr 23, 2014 03:43
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Is there any validity to the idea civilians should use the same ammo for concealed carry/home defense as their local PD?
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Apr 23, 2014 04:27
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USMC503 posted:Is there any validity to the idea civilians should use the same ammo for concealed carry/home defense as their local PD? Why? I figure you carry what you want to. Not to mention local PDs can change ammo frequently depending upon budget and price. That is unless your talking strictly caliber? Then the answer would probably still be the same.
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Apr 23, 2014 04:48
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USMC503 posted:Is there any validity to the idea civilians should use the same ammo for concealed carry/home defense as their local PD? theres no sort of science or trial and error in the ammo our dept uses, whatever the firearms instructor likes is what we use, so it may not be optimal. I think we use speer gold dot for duty and I use hornady critical defense in my carry gun.
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Apr 23, 2014 04:54
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I think he means will it look better in court if Mr. Armed Mugger was shot by Mr. Stand Your Ground with the same ammo the local PD uses? Do the courts even look at what brand of ammo was used in a self-defense shooting?
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Apr 23, 2014 05:07
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I've seen it posted in TFR a bunch that the courts will care if you shoot Mr. Armed Mugger with super extra lethal ammo or whatever but I'm kind of skeptical.
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Apr 23, 2014 05:15
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I just can't see that being true unless you like bragged about tipping your bullets with cyanide covered feces or tried to light him on fire using dragons breath or something.
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Apr 23, 2014 15:33
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It's just a coincidence that my weapon happened to be loaded with Klanstrike Grand Dragon "Fourteen Grains for Fourteen Words" home defense rounds.
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Apr 23, 2014 15:39
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Yeah there are some really messed up ammo types out there. I could see a judge not being ecstatic with a flechette, or a ball and chain self defense shooting
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Apr 23, 2014 15:50
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That's not it. It's that lethal force in self defense is either gonna be justified or it's not. The ammo you use is just not a factor in whether the gun is a lethal weapon, because it always is. In any case the concern that gets brought up in TFR constantly is that the prosecution will say something like "the defendant was using evil hollowpoints!!" if you use standard defensive ammo, so a lot of posters there advise everyone to use the same ammo their local PD uses to spare themselves from that argument which has probably never been used in court.
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Apr 23, 2014 16:10
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Why would you carry anything but hollow points for a defensive weapon?
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Apr 23, 2014 16:18
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what's the best shotgun ammo for defending my pumpkins from vandals?
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Apr 23, 2014 16:35
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I thought that was where your username came from. Is the "evil hollowpoint" seriously a thing that's been trotted out at an actual trial that has happened on real-live planet Earth? It seems to me like picking a round that won't go through your target and into the skulls of children playing outside is a pretty easy choice to defend.
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Apr 23, 2014 16:38
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flakeloaf posted:I thought that was where your username came from. friend of the family DEATH TURBO is referencing a disgraceful incident in the history of TFR where someone posted a thread asking that question (which I assume everyone took to be in jest) then proceeded to shoot kids vandalizing his pumpkins with a shotgun. e: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1704519 Dude's name was William Freund.
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Apr 23, 2014 16:46
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Yup, I know. I was pointing out that, in the case of someone so mentally ill as to take up arms to protect his vegetable-based decorations from the scourge of inner city youth, the ammo he chooses had may as well be called friend of the family DEATH TURBO. e: But the thing about prosecutors harping on people for using hollowpoints was an actual real question. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Apr 23, 2014 16:53
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:Why would you carry anything but hollow points for a defensive weapon? A: You're military and some euro idiot convinced the world ball ammo was more humane and gentlemanly
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What kind of guns or other items have you found while searching someone, if you have ever found any?
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Apr 23, 2014 18:03
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if hollowpoints didn't come up in the zimmerman trial they won't come up in anybody elses.
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Apr 23, 2014 18:06
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What's the best song to listen to when you're driving in a Patrol Car that ISN'T the theme song to COPS
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Apr 23, 2014 18:16
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Booblord Zagats posted:What's the best song to listen to when you're driving in a Patrol Car that ISN'T the theme song to COPS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwqMKf7r7Xg
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Apr 23, 2014 18:26
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I may have forgotten this CD in a cruiser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8 I didn't get it back.
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Apr 23, 2014 18:28
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Booblord Zagats posted:What's the best song to listen to when you're driving in a Patrol Car that ISN'T the theme song to COPS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw
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Apr 23, 2014 18:37
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http://youtu.be/oENrgffA5VI
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Apr 23, 2014 18:49
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All good calls, but kinda disappointed no one mentioned power trippin' by Monster Magnet
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Apr 23, 2014 19:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXIA-U2mL3U
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Apr 23, 2014 19:11
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you kids and your raps 
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Apr 23, 2014 19:16
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Think you mean... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14PgWitIbSk
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Apr 23, 2014 19:17
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beanieson posted:you kids and your raps If it makes you feel better, this was a regular tune on the speakers when I worked the boat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7Ghu1FpnQ
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Apr 23, 2014 19:20
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Branis posted:our cameras and recorders come on every time you turn on the lights so that is a no no I guess that technology hasn't reached the Atlanta metro area yet because it happens pretty consistently outside my office.
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Apr 23, 2014 19:26
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General_Disaster posted:Is this the place to ask UK Copgoons some questions if I may ask? Sure
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Apr 23, 2014 19:48
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Hezzy posted:Sure When did British police disarm, and has it resulted in more violence against police? Would people have rioted like they did last year (or was it 2 years ago) if all the police were armed? Or to better phrase that, would the police response, and the response of the rioters, been different had a greater show of force been present? The Shep fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Apr 23, 2014 20:29
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:When did British police disarm, and has it resulted in more violence against police? Would people have rioted like they did last year (or was it 2 years ago) if all the police were armed? Or to better phrase that, would the police response, and the response of the rioters, been different had a greater show of force been present? We have never been routinely armed. I don't know the exact history of firearms within the UK but before we had specialist units there were a few handguns in a station that could be taken out with officers. The riots were in August 2011, and probably still would have. We'd never be authorised to shoot rioters, so it would have no bearing on events. UK Police have always sought to deal with civil disturbance with the least force possible which is why we're one of the only police forces in the world to still not routinely use water cannons, teargas, tanks, etc to quell disorder. We probably have the most practice in riot control as well, with mass disorder happening on a regular basis at football matches and the like.
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I think people overstate the effect that sidearms have on people's behaviour. I've worked armed and unarmed law enforcement and I've never noticed a difference in the public's response to me. It's a sample size of one, but from what I've seen it's the nature of your interaction with the public that has the most impact on the likelihood of encountering violence.
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Apr 23, 2014 21:51
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Well, if you're into shooting pumpkins, and want range, this gun will shoot your 10# pumpkins 4600 feet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtKyCrfmInA Although the trebuchets are a lot more fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6ryYaK5Dg0 http://www.punkinchunkin.com/
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:When did British police disarm, and has it resulted in more violence against police? Would people have rioted like they did last year (or was it 2 years ago) if all the police were armed? Or to better phrase that, would the police response, and the response of the rioters, been different had a greater show of force been present? The riots really kicked off on my patch (one of the police stations actually came under handgun fire) and even though we had baton round trained officers on duty and baton rounds in our borough armories (in some cases literally yards from the rioting) we were never authorized to use them, much to the frustration of the public order officers. I don't think using greater force would have stopped any disorder, it would have only spread it out. The reason it wasn't contained in London was a slow response and too few officers on duty/prepared/equipped and not a lack of decisive force. I remember having a similar discussion when I was in training. Apparently after a couple of deaths on duty due to firearms (1880-1930ish) officers on night duty were allowed to carry pistols but most chose not to. Every time armed assistance was required they just called the army out. Most stations had revolvers and shotguns for impromptu use until after the second world war. Then when calling in the Army in the mainland UK became a legal difficulty we were given our own guns and officers to use them. Now something like 15% of the Met are authorized to carry arms but only about 5% routinely do. There is a rumor that we have enough glocks for almost a gun per officer stashed away in storehouses. Personally I would hate to carry a firearm and in the incredibly unlikely event I was asked to carry one I would resign which is an attitude shared by a lot of the officers I serve with (regulars and specials.)
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