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Mr. Bing posted:Dancer or I riot. I'm with on that one. LET ME DANCE FOREVER AND A DAY, YOSHI-P! Or perhaps Yoshi-P is scared that my Dance is the Dance that will pierce the heavens?
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slight spoiler image found at the end of leviathan questline; Coincidence? 
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Apr 22, 2014 22:18
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SpazmasterX posted:Uh, thieves in FF1 became ninjas. It's kind of a thing. THF is still a job and if you haven't noticed SE has an aversion to making jobs basic classes in 14
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Apr 22, 2014 22:18
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THF will be a dps job off of GLD and NIN will be a support. Both will be able to off-hand one-handed bladed weapons to match their main hand. That's my prediction.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:28
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Heavy armor thief and ninja, sure why not.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:30
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Heavy armor thief and ninja, sure why not. Could just exclude them from GLD gear, like how SCH can't wear DPS Caster gear, but ACN and SMN can.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:31
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We'll probably get something like cutpurse or urchin as a class that jobs up into thief and ninja. Dance would probably job up from pugilist??
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Apr 22, 2014 22:32
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^^^ Yeah, Im guessing dancer will come out of pugilist. Would be pretty funny foreshadowing from Hamon when he confuses you for a dancer the first time he sees you. Yukari posted:Could just exclude them from GLD gear, like how SCH can't wear DPS Caster gear, but ACN and SMN can. They'd still be wearing heavy armor all the way till cap, when now suddenly they have to switch to leather.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:33
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SpazmasterX posted:Uh, thieves in FF1 became ninjas. It's kind of a thing. Warriors also became Knights (Paladins) in the same game.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:34
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm with on that one. Mayhap when we cross his path again he will have endeavoured to apply the graceful art to the more worldly needs of this age of Adventurers. 
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Apr 22, 2014 22:35
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GLD has a pretty high piety gain so i could see them getting a magic dps job like spell sword or red mage.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:37
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gobbledygoat posted:GLD has a pretty high piety gain so i could see them getting a magic dps job like spell sword or red mage. Mystic Knight would be GLD/THM, yeah.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:43
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Please no loving weird classes from FFXI in this game, keep the trifecta and don't go for goddamned hybrids. It's going to be even more impossible to find non-morons the more hybrid bullshit they add
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Apr 22, 2014 22:56
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ilifinicus posted:Please no loving weird classes from FFXI in this game, keep the trifecta and don't go for goddamned hybrids. It's going to be even more impossible to find non-morons the more hybrid bullshit they add
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Apr 22, 2014 22:58
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Zereth posted:I believe Yoshi-P has gone on record as wanting to implement a "Support" class type, of which Bard would be one.
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Apr 22, 2014 22:59
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ilifinicus posted:How many years ago was this? I've seen what the game looked like in the early stages of ARR, they definitely went a different direction from that. He said this just before 2.1 hit. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/119279-FFXIV-Patch-2.1-Press-Interviews-with-Yoshida posted:Will it be divided up by light party/full party content? While Yoshida didn't actually specifically mention BRD, it's very easy to assume that BRD will shift over from the DPS  "Red Job Icon" role and into the Hybrid Role (Whatever color icon they get, orange or something, I dunno), considering that these days it's pretty much pseudo-mandatory to bring a BRD to any end-game event for the support they bring. While their off-shoot job (Ranger seems obvious?) will be the pure DPS job for the ARC Class.Just like how it's pretty easy to assume that any upcoming hybrid role jobs will function similarly to how BRD works right now. That is to say... they'll pump out slightly lower damage than the pure DPS specs (Monk, Dragoon, etc..) but bring various perks to the group which will help support the other roles (MP Regen, HP Regen, TP Regen, Haste, Bonus Damage, Lessen Damage Taken, etc..) Alot of assumptions though... Happy Blue Cow fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Cue 10 minutes of the DPS and Healer knowing exactly what we're up to and the tank literally just standing and tanking it in one place. Yeah, I've had this happen a few times; just have the healer let the tank die so #2 on enmity list can drag the turtle into place. Algid posted:How much does getting the i70 mainhand help with the 40 dura 2 star synths? What are the chances without that but with max melds? I'm trying to get some recipe books and wondering if I should just buy the mats instead of trying to HQ them myself. Since you have to get the master book in order to make the items for the i70 mainhand turn-in, it's kind of a moot point (except for BSM/ARM). I only had one NQ out of all the 40 DUR 2-star synths I did for my mainhands, though, winging it with hasty touches and melded to about 347 crafts/340 control on each class (pre-Artisan's Spectacles).
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seorin posted:Obviously it helps, but I don't think it makes a huge difference. With maxed gear and the right rotation I can HQ those about 98% of the time. Here's the macro I use: I did just get 5 hq hard hippo leather using hasty spam. Only had to reclaim once.
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Happy Blue Cow posted:He said this just before 2.1 hit. I'd like to see Scholar shift over to Support as well, or at least have the ability to queue as one. I feel like i'm doing the most on Scholar when i'm doing something where I can drop into Cleric and get a full round of dots off.
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I would like to see another starting healing/support class, for the benefit of the roulettes if nothing else. Maybe a time mage? C'mon I want haste. Time maaaage.
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I didn't know that he was interested in a Support-style role. That certainly makes my idea of Pugilist -> Dancer with reduced damage but buffs/passive healing a bit more feasible! Hooray empty theories!
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Problem I can see so far is, where does the slot fit? He said that he wants to go with Tank, Heal, DPS, Support as the 4, but currently, DPS checks are tuned for having 2 DPSs. Double those numbers for a full party. A lot of current endgame fights have DPS checks that are tight enough when using the usual Full Party (2/2/4 split), where if you swapped out a DPS, you can possibly fail the check.
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Algid posted:I think you need mainhand for this since I only get 107 progress with ingenuity II assuming cp food. If you can't get it with a CS2, remove one BT from the end and add an unbuffed HT somewhere else. That should cover your last action with SH2 and give you the CP to use Standard Synthesis instead. Yukari posted:Problem I can see so far is, where does the slot fit? He said that he wants to go with Tank, Heal, DPS, Support as the 4, but currently, DPS checks are tuned for having 2 DPSs. Double those numbers for a full party. A lot of current endgame fights have DPS checks that are tight enough when using the usual Full Party (2/2/4 split), where if you swapped out a DPS, you can possibly fail the check. If support tends to enhance party DPS, that solves that problem easily. They do less damage alone, but make everyone else do more.
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Presumably 'support' jobs would basically be DPS jobs with a little less damage and a little more utility (kind of like how bards already are). They'd probably have abilities that boost their teammates' damage to compensate for not putting out as much DPS themselves.
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Apr 23, 2014 00:15
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You keep talking about support jobs like there hasn't been one in forever. Bard exists to support.
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Some warrior finally convinced their FC to throw a weapon upgrade their way:   Did not realize the head of the axe spun sideways to reveal another blade.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I would like to see another starting healing/support class, for the benefit of the roulettes if nothing else. Maybe a time mage? C'mon I want haste. Time maaaage. The expansion really desperately needs to introduce a second core healer. Once you hit 30 and Scholars proliferate, it's better, but especially by the time we hit the end of the year, low-level healers are going to be in short, short supply. And yeah I am pulling for Dancer healer. I'd switch to that and never stop, really.
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SpaceDrake posted:And yeah I am pulling for Dancer healer. I'd switch to that and never stop, really. You would betray the Most Learned Order of Book Club/Faerie Appreciation? I don't know if we can be friends anymore. 
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I would like to see another starting healing/support class, for the benefit of the roulettes if nothing else. Maybe a time mage? C'mon I want haste. Time maaaage. There is a haste already, its Selene.
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ps am no frog posted:There is a haste already, its Selene. What is Selene?
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BottledBodhisvata posted:What is Selene? The yellow/pink support-oriented scholar fairy.
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Apr 23, 2014 03:31
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BottledBodhisvata posted:What is Selene? Selene is the yellow Scholar pet, who has a silence and a Spellspeed / Skillspeed party buff instead of healing cooldowns.
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Apr 23, 2014 03:31
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The image linked earlier on this page is very telling, but there's also quest text along the lines of "we don't talk about our guild, for...reasons". Which is very much what a thieves' guild, especially one with a tenuous wink-and-nod relationship with Limsa's leadership, would be like. Rogue -> [Thief / Ninja]
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Okay, so I just hit Level 42 Warrior. I got Holmgang, and now I have no idea how to setup my hotbar. I play with a controller just because I find it a lot more comfortable the way I sit and play and it's faster for me to hit all the buttons that way, but I just have SO MANY SKILLS now that I think I have to sit back and reprioritize how to best optimize everything since up until now I was just sort of throwing things on the binds without thinking about it... Anyone have any ideas? Like what should I ALWAYS have access to (Face Buttons) and what's a little less important to always be hammering (D-pad)?
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Apr 23, 2014 04:00
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It would be a bit nicer if my retainer had somehow come back with an iLvl 60 scholar book instead of a summoner one, but A for effort.
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Holmgang is a thing you definitely want easy access to it, since it can (literally) be a life-saver and therefore a group-saver. (Such as a crazy Turn 2 I did last night where only the two tanks survived to the end, and solely due to Hallowed Ground and Holmgang. Apparently you can do Enrage in the DF, though.) As for how to set that up for your controller, I use keyboard/mouse so... 
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Rei_ posted:Okay, so I just hit Level 42 Warrior. I got Holmgang, and now I have no idea how to setup my hotbar. I play with a controller just because I find it a lot more comfortable the way I sit and play and it's faster for me to hit all the buttons that way, but I just have SO MANY SKILLS now that I think I have to sit back and reprioritize how to best optimize everything since up until now I was just sort of throwing things on the binds without thinking about it... Anyone have any ideas? Like what should I ALWAYS have access to (Face Buttons) and what's a little less important to always be hammering (D-pad)? Have you set up your crossbar to utilize the double-trigger bars? It's the easiest way to have all your skills and more available without actually switching through bars. I'll post my setup once I get home shortly and can actually screenshot them.
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So, it seems a given that we're going to get a Rogue-type class before long, but I'm still wondering when we'll get a class that uses guns. I mean, there's a guild-desk for them just opposite the Marauders one, and there's an NPC there complaining that there's a background check on firearms. What I'm asking, really, is 'when do I get my flintlock on?'. Edit: For maximum piraticalness, I guess a rogue class could use a pistol as a primary weapon and use daggers in the secondary slot? Dominic White fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Guys, Dancer fills the role of support down perfectly. Let's look at FFXI's Dancer: Sambas would inflict a effect that allowed everyone in your party who hit the mob to drain either HP or MP. Waltzes were used to cure single or all party members and heal status effects. Jigs were self boosts, like quick or sneak/invisible. Steps enfeebled the mob, inflicting status effects. ### All of these abilities generated finishing moves, which were used for... Flourishes, which did a variety of different things. One really good ability converted the finishing moves into TP, which was what was consumed by all the moves listed above. Goddamn, all this talk about Dancer has me remember how badass Dancer was. And it dual-wielded knives too! (At first it didn't; you had to equip NIN as your subjob to use the Dual-Wield trait but it was eventually patched in as a Dancer trait) GOD drat YOU YOSHI-P LET ME ONCE AGAIN DANCE FOREVER AND A DAY *~
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