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Intel&Sebastian posted:Am I wrong on those? I don't know. I found your post very hard to parse. The simplest argument I can make for a liveable minimum wage is that the rich have to pay the poor (middle class) at least enough to be able to afford to buy the lovely things that the rich manufacture. Meaning, if you build cars, HDTV's, phones, computers, horrible pizza, lovely hamburgers or whatever the gently caress it is, what good is it if no one can afford to buy it? At the end of the day, capitalism is a zero sum, winner take all, game (like Monopoly) and that's the problem. "Job creators" my rear end. HootTheOwl posted:Does anyone know where I can get a transcript from today's Sean Hannity radio show? Probably from SeanHannity.com BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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gently caress. Double post.
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't know. I found your post very hard to parse. It's harder to make my first point concise but the second one seems to be the one with the most charge: Any company relying on minimum wage workers right now is essentially having their payroll subsidized by tax money. If tomorrow we passed a law that said "if you have a job, you don't get any gov't benefits" I can think of at least 3 large companies that would be tits up in months as the bulk of their employees wouldn't be able to live. Why would any self declared conservative put up with that? I don't even know why a tea partying bomb thrower would put up with that. There's some idiotic meme going around that set that says not to investigate any reason beyond the poor person themselves for why they are using gov't benefits (in addition to the idiotic meme that anyone on gov't benefits doesn't have a job) and it seems pretty clearly designed to shield employers from blame or a 2nd thought about how THEY benefit from food stamps, energy assistance, etc. Think of it this way, no company hires a person at minimum wage if they're creating less than minimum wage in profits. If a person is working minimum wage, creating more benefit for a company than themselves, who exactly is the major benefitee of gov't subsidies of poor people? Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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isildur posted:There's this. http://nationalreport.net/colorado-governor-set-release-convicted-marijuana-related-charges-expunge-records/ Yeah it's just that the issue is someone who's in jail for say, a bunch of weed and having a little bit of ecstasy would still have the latter part on their record, and may even stay in jail for it.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:That reminds me of this one WSJ article I once saw which basically said "America has gone to poo poo since the Anglo-Saxon elite has lost its self-confidence" and anti-AA arguments saying "but what about all the poor whites?" How is the confidence thing different from white supremacy? Serious question. "Things are bad because whites are allowing the foreign hordes to ruin our country! Rise up against white genocide!"
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Mineaiki posted:How is the confidence thing different from white supremacy? Serious question. "Things are bad because whites are allowing the foreign hordes to ruin our country! Rise up against white genocide!" How was it intended to be?
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SedanChair posted:How was it intended to be? Reminds me of another time I remember being disgusted at how reprehensibly Right-wing WSJ is:
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They look so worried.
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Mineaiki posted:Reminds me of another time I remember being disgusted at how reprehensibly Right-wing WSJ is: This is also a clueless New Yorker thing to some extent too, though. It's not like the NYT doesn't run articles every week acting like $800,000 isn't that much to spend on a house.
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Mineaiki posted:Reminds me of another time I remember being disgusted at how reprehensibly Right-wing WSJ is: It's world's tiniest violin poo poo.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:This graphic is amazing. OH NO A FEW THOUSAND DOLLAR INCREASE IN TAXES WHEN WE MAKE SIX FIGURES WHATEVER SHALL WE DO I'm the single mom, trying to get by on only $5000/wk. Sometimes you just have to make sacrifices for your kids.
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FMguru posted:I'm the retired African-American couple, faces creased with worry over trying to stretch that $15000/month so that it lasts all 30 days.
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Hey, how about some good news? Jon Chait partially redeems his mush-headedness about race with a column gathering up all the evidence of the arrival (like, now) of the Enduring Democratic Majority in his space over at New York Magazine.quote:Is the Rising Democratic Majority Doomed? tl;dr - the long-predicted (and long-ridiculed) Emerging Democratic Majority has emerged, every single one of the arguments against it has been proved false, people (especially in the GOP) seem to be in deep denial about this and really need to update their worldview in order to adapt to the new multiracial order.
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http://sebaygo1.blogspot.com/2014/04/can-you-make-sense-of-this.html (MP3 embedded) From today's Alex Jones Show, a two and a half minute rant about the internet being sentient, rings of power and palantirs ("seeing stones" from the Tolkien books), and more. There's half a reference to the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory wherein he interrupts himself and finishes the sentence with "squared to infinity!" Download: http://www.sendspace.com/file/asw1jj And the "news" that he mentions toward the end, as he asserts that most of the time he knows what the news is going to be even before it breaks, is hardly news. It's the title of an article posted on Gizmodo.com in July 2010 -- Seven People Have Been Entrusted With the Keys to the Internet -- and these keys don't seem to resemble the "rings of power" supposedly given to Apple and Microsoft, et al. See more on that here and here and here. But seriously, do YOU understand what Alex was trying to say? Was he rational? Was he simply making a uniquely flavored word salad?
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"Resentful whites". What a crock of poo poo. Call me a race traitor, but I welcome growing diversity. The implication that 'whites' will react negatively to a diverse country is rather insulting.
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anonumos posted:"Resentful whites". What a crock of poo poo. Call me a race traitor, but I welcome growing diversity. The implication that 'whites' will react negatively to a diverse country is rather insulting. Are you really taking issue with it? Resentful whites are a big enough group that I think they're worth talking about. If you're not resentful they weren't talking about you.
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anonumos posted:"Resentful whites". What a crock of poo poo. Call me a race traitor, but I welcome growing diversity. The implication that 'whites' will react negatively to a diverse country is rather insulting. Shut up honky
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anonumos posted:"Resentful whites". What a crock of poo poo. Call me a race traitor, but I welcome growing diversity. The implication that 'whites' will react negatively to a diverse country is rather insulting. I'm going to assume that you aren't old because it's primarily old, wealthy whites, men in particular, that are lamenting the fact that whites won't be in charge by default anymore. Look at the voting records from the last election. Old, white dudes overwhelmingly voted for Romney but pretty much every other demographic pulled that level for Oblammo just as hard. The thing I've asked Republicans I know time and time again is a simple question; I'm a guy with Slavic descent from a poor background. I'm a second-class white at best. There was a period of time I'd have starved if it wasn't for food stamps and if it wasn't for free government money I'd never be going to college right now. I'm a lot of things the GOP openly hates and Republican policy, if they had their way, would have left me starving to death an uneducated second-class citizen. I'm not a Christian either so "force everybody to follow God's law" just doesn't jive well with me. Why would I vote for a Republican in any election, ever? They don't have an answer.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:They don't have an answer. But they do have a solution: make it harder and harder for people like you to vote, and structure the election system in such a way as to minimize or eliminate the effects of your vote. My only real worry about the Inevitable Demographics Tide thing is the lengths to which the Republicans seem willing to go to prevent their enemies from having any influence over elections at all. I can easily see this Supreme Court upholding some less egregious flavor of voter ID laws, for instance.
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quote:I believe this because the virulent opposition to the welfare state we see here is almost completely unique among major conservative parties across the world. In no other advanced country do leading figures of governing parties propose the denial of medical care to their citizens or take their ideological inspiration from crackpots like Ayn Rand. Gee, if you had taken the superfuntime blindfold of ignorance off a bit earlier maybe today you wouldn't be writing sad fantasy fan-fiction about all the incredible ways the white man could get back on top.
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anonumos posted:"Resentful whites". What a crock of poo poo. Call me a race traitor, but I welcome growing diversity. The implication that 'whites' will react negatively to a diverse country is rather insulting.
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Mineaiki posted:Reminds me of another time I remember being disgusted at how reprehensibly Right-wing WSJ is: It spawned an amusing gif at least.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:This graphic is amazing. OH NO A FEW THOUSAND DOLLAR INCREASE IN TAXES WHEN WE MAKE SIX FIGURES WHATEVER SHALL WE DO I like how the lowest income bracket is $180,000. Why it's almost as if the makers of this cartoon don't understand what it means to be poor. I mean EVERYONE makes at least $180k, right? My family doesn't
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I mean every single person in America is a doctor, financier, or a lawyer married to another professional, right?
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Every single real American, yes.
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Mineaiki posted:I mean every single person in America is a doctor, financier, or a lawyer married to another professional, right? Every single person who counts.
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Clearly, when discussing someone's income, the most natural number to reference is calculated pretax taxable income, including all available deductions, because that's how ordinary people discuss money.
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isildur posted:I can easily see this Supreme Court upholding some less egregious flavor of voter ID laws, for instance. You realize they already have, right? Crawford v. Marion County was decided in 2008, upholding a voter ID law. That was a really disgusting decision because Stevens voted with the majority and wrote the decision, with his rationale being basically "People just have to go to a DMV to get an ID, and if that's too difficult for them, tough poo poo."
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Uhhhhh, doesn't everybody have income from investments equal to what a normal person makes in addition to their salary?
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They were too busy patting themselves on the back for remembering to make an all inclusive graphic.
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I would if LIEberals would stop tying my bootstraps down
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Guilty Spork posted:I've lived in Northern California all my life, and being around nothing but white people is really weird and creepy to me. When I hear there are going to be Mexicans everywhere it's like, "Oh, so the rest of the country is going to be more like here? Sounds good." Mineaiki posted:How is the confidence thing different from white supremacy? Serious question. "Things are bad because whites are allowing the foreign hordes to ruin our country! Rise up against white genocide!" Pat Buchanan posted:Yet the matter cannot be avoided now, for it is on page one. "White Numbers Shrink," was the headline on the lead story in USA Today. "More Whites Dying Than Being Born," blared The Wall Street Journal. What does this mean? In demographic terms, more white Americans died in 2012 than were born. Never before -- not during the Civil War bloodletting, not during the influenza epidemic after World War I, not during the Great Depression and birth dearth of the 1930s -- has this happened. anonumos posted:"Resentful whites". What a crock of poo poo. Call me a race traitor, but I welcome growing diversity. The implication that 'whites' will react negatively to a diverse country is rather insulting. Now doesn't that look like fun? Who could be scared of that?
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They keep a (rather short) list of things and people not to be afraid of, adding to it on rare occasion. Emotionally healthy adults do it the other way around.
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Yes! It's sombrero guy! america.png
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edit: sorry wrong forum
beatlegs fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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fade5 posted:I will admit, I absolutely cannot understand the right's fear of multiculturalism. I loving love multiculturalism, hell, right now San Antonio's in the middle of our annual two week Fiesta party. Yeah I never understood that whole deal. Imagine how boring the US would be without the various types of people coming over here and sharing their customs, ideas and culture? Really, the people that are being Un-American are idiots like "The Minutemen", and other folks of their ilk. .
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This whole brouhaha about whites being the minority is ridiculous. The people making a fuss about it are looking at it like it's "whites 49%, 51% everything else."
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fade5 posted:I will admit, I absolutely cannot understand the right's fear of multiculturalism. I loving love multiculturalism, hell, right now San Antonio's in the middle of our annual two week Fiesta party. SJW's who would call that cultural appropriation
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Star Man posted:This whole brouhaha about whites being the minority is ridiculous. The people making a fuss about it are looking at it like it's "whites 49%, 51% everything else." Yeah whites will never be a minority in my lifetime. Plurality yes, minority no. If you want to know how things will go just look at sweet home Chicago. Whites are less than 40% of the population but still dominate politics because they can play the Latinos off the blacks. Executive is a milquetoast Democrat who hates unions and worked at a bank before. The future US in a microcosm.
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dreffen posted:It spawned an amusing gif at least. Henry offense?
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