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I thought it would have been way more in line with the Batman character to actually die in the explosion than to retire to Italy or wherever he is at the end. I just never imagined Bruce Wayne as the type to retire, ever.
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muscles like this? posted:The Robin stuff is important as a conclusion to his "doesn't matter who Batman is" creed. Batman Begins was about Bruce taking what he learned from the League of Shadows and using it to redeem Gotham instead of condemning it. Rises is where he turns Batman into a legacy much like how the League of Shadows appointed one person to become Ra's Al Ghul over the years. The legacy bit is important because Talia was trying to carry on her father's legacy but on her own terms. Basebf555 posted:I thought it would have been way more in line with the Batman character to actually die in the explosion than to retire to Italy or wherever he is at the end. I just never imagined Bruce Wayne as the type to retire, ever. I think post-Dark Knight he would definitely throw himself over the bomb to protect everyone. But having everyone tell him he shouldn't have to do this alone and being in Bane's prison and hearing about the child of Ra's Al Ghul probably resonated with him. Action Tortoise has a new favorite as of 18:03 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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The Robin stuff is barely important because we all knew that a new Batman was going to soon be chosen and a new continuity was coming. Anyone who seriously thought they'd give the job to Joseph Gordon-Levitt was off-base. How about, for the sake of continuity, we have a director's cut of TDKR where instead of the Robin scene at the end we have Ben Affleck randomly ride by on a motorcycle and find the Batcave. I also support casting Gary Oldman as the main villain of whatever standalone Batman Affleck movie eventually comes out, just because Oldman needs to be playing villains and not be playing kindly old slightly corrupt police commissioners. Plus it'll be like Batman is fighting the Other World Batman's Gordon.
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Aphrodite posted:I don't recall, would that be the Robin scene or Bruce alive? It's the scene with Michael Caine in Paris.
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Jedit posted:It's the scene with Michael Caine in Paris. I wonder if Michael Caine called out Christopher Nolan for how out of character that whole stupid subplot was.
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Jedit posted:It's the scene with Michael Caine in Paris.
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Sand Monster posted:Something I always liked in Zodiac... That is my absolute favorite scene in the film, which I thought was otherwise a good-looking film that failed to really grab me, outside of the scene at I think Lake Berryessa. Both scenes have an almost waking dream (nightmare) like quality, and Gyllenhaal really sells it as he grows progressively more uneasy over what he has gotten himself into.
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Jedit posted:It's the scene with Michael Caine in Paris. I think it might work better if you just have Alfred sitting down, perspective shot showing two people at another table that just might be Bruce and Selina, cut back to Alfred's eyes opening a little wider and him starting to take a deep breath. End it without explicitly showing Bruce and before he toasts or whatever it is he does there.
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Apr 24, 2014 05:20
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Baron von Eevl posted:I think it might work better if you just have Alfred sitting down, perspective shot showing two people at another table that just might be Bruce and Selina, cut back to Alfred's eyes opening a little wider and him starting to take a deep breath. End it without explicitly showing Bruce and before he toasts or whatever it is he does there. So... Inception all over again
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Tenkaris posted:So... Inception all over again Alfred sits in a cafe and sees a man who might be Bruce Wayne spinning majestically with a slight wobble before cutting to black.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:Alfred sits in a cafe and sees a man who might be Bruce Wayne spinning majestically with a slight wobble before cutting to black. Could have been worse, Alfred could have attended a performance of Die Fledermaus, spotted Bruce and Selena-Martha (wearing the pearls) in the audience and run away in terror.
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Apr 24, 2014 07:31
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Pook Good Mook posted:I wonder if Michael Caine called out Christopher Nolan for how out of character that whole stupid subplot was. Yeah I always felt that as well. Why would Alfred, who literally raised Bruce from the age of like 8, ever want to suddenly be out of his life? It's purely a "movie" thing and really not how people work at all.
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Nutsngum posted:Yeah I always felt that as well. Why would Alfred, who literally raised Bruce from the age of like 8, ever want to suddenly be out of his life? Bruce is a junkie, and like other junkies, he has alienated friends and family who don't want to be around the self-destruction. It isn't a purely movie thing at all that people walk out of lives like that.
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Not sure if anyone else thought it was subtle, but in Her virtually all the characters are just a little awkward with other people, which makes sense given how much people interact with (pre-OS ) computers instead.
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Terminal Entropy posted:Bruce is a junkie, and like other junkies, he has alienated friends and family who don't want to be around the self-destruction. It isn't a purely movie thing at all that people walk out of lives like that. I know it's a tangent, but Batman makes a lot of sense as just Bruce Wayne's adrenaline junkie persona.
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LoonShia posted:I know it's a tangent, but Batman makes a lot of sense as just Bruce Wayne's adrenaline junkie persona. Bruce is addicted to his own grief. Batman is just an unhealthy manifestation of that.
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Just wanted to say thanks to whoever was responsible for changing the thread title
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Professor Dog posted:Bruce is addicted to his own grief. Batman is just an unhealthy manifestation of that. Right. The whole point of that subplot is that Bruce had basically locked himself away for eight years with virtually no human contact. The entire point of his existence, to him, was to be Batman- his dedication to that persona and his ideals was destroying every other part of his life. He did initially have the goal of "retiring" to be with Rachel, but his grief and possible guilt over her death just pushed him further away. He's eventually able to move past that with Selina, and while it is a little silly and unrealistically convenient that Bruce figured out EXACTLY WHAT CAFE Alfred would go to and EXACTLY WHEN he'd be taking his vacation, just so their encounter could line up exactly with the story Alfred had told, that arc is essential to Bruce's character. Nikaer Drekin has a new favorite as of 18:15 on Apr 24, 2014 |
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Nikaer Drekin posted:Right. The whole point of that subplot is that Bruce had basically locked himself away for eight years with virtually no human contact. The entire point of his existence, to him, was to be Batman- his dedication to that persona and his ideals was destroying every other part of his life. He did initially have the goal of "retiring" to be with Rachel, but his grief and possible guilt over her death just pushed him further away. In fairness to the movie, that is absolutely the kind of thing that Batman would do.
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Just spotted a cool little piece of foreshadowing whilst watching Rushmore. Early in the film max reads a book called Diving for Sunken Treasure: The author of the book, Jacques-Yves Costeau was the french diving pioneer who provided the inspiration for The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou six years later.
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Nikaer Drekin posted:He's eventually able to move past that with Selina, and while it is a little silly and unrealistically convenient that Bruce figured out EXACTLY WHAT CAFE Alfred would go to and EXACTLY WHEN he'd be taking his vacation, just so their encounter could line up exactly with the story Alfred had told, that arc is essential to Bruce's character. To be fair, Alfred did say that he goes there once a year, probably about the same time every year. Also it's probably his favorite cafe and Bruce would know that. Bruce probably went there every day around the time Alfred usually vacations to spot him.
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Apr 24, 2014 20:28
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The Dark Knight Rises was such a bad movie, especially considering The Dark Knight. It genuinely confuses me how it has such high ratings.
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Professor Shark posted:The Dark Knight Rises was such a bad movie, especially considering The Dark Knight. It genuinely confuses me how it has such high ratings. You're right, that is a great Subtle Movie Moment.
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Going off topic?! Why I never... *faints to the floor, falls in Ishamael's poo poo posting*
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Professor Shark posted:The Dark Knight Rises was such a bad movie, especially considering The Dark Knight. It genuinely confuses me how it has such high ratings. To be honest, as great as The Dark Knight is, I feel like both Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises are both more focused on Bruce's character and thus richer movies overall. Watch it again, now that you know the plot, and see if you feel any differently about it.
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Well, I don't know what you mean by "richer", but I don't want to focus on Bruce's character because he's invariably the least interesting character in the movie. I don't mean that he's badly written or anything, just that Batman is never the interesting part of a Batman story.
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Nikaer Drekin posted:To be honest, as great as The Dark Knight is, I feel like both Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises are both more focused on Bruce's character and thus richer movies overall. Watch it again, now that you know the plot, and see if you feel any differently about it. I liked Begins and was glad that Rises made sure to remind everyone that there was a Batman movie before The Dark Knight. My problem with Rises is that it's tripping over itself to be symbolic and it leaves giant plot holes just to make things work in its wake. Roger Tangerines posted:Well, I don't know what you mean by "richer", but I don't want to focus on Bruce's character because he's invariably the least interesting character in the movie. I don't mean that he's badly written or anything, just that Batman is never the interesting part of a Batman story. I always felt like the Nolan Batman films were about one man's unflinching sense of justice versus different ideologies like "We Know Better Than Everyone Else What's Right For Them" (Batman Begins), "Nothing We Do Really Matters" (The Dark Knight), and "Might Makes Right" (The Dark Knight Rises).
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I just rewatched The World's End and noticed a bit of possible foreshadowing. 12 pubs, 12 steps.
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I... I don't even know where to begin. A Fantastic Fear of Everything If you have Netflix and you like thrillers that twist the genre or like Simon Pegg or really if you're just a person who regularly posts in this thread because they love subtle movie moments, you should go watch this film. Please hurry, I am in desperate need of someone to talk about this with. I don't even want to post anything from it yet because literally everything might be a spoiler.
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I've seen it, but I can't recall anything in particular that was subtle, but then again that might be the point. I will say the laundry room reveal was god damned hilarious and amazing though.
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Nastyman posted:I just rewatched The World's End and noticed a bit of possible foreshadowing. 12 pubs, 12 steps. in the original script, which wright called Crawl, there were meant to be 13. It gets even better than that...in the blu ray extras theres a 7 minute bit on omens and signs. It blew my tiny little mind. It has the obvious bits about the pub names relating to the experience within. The names of the 5 companions; king, knight(ley), prince, chamberlain and page relate to 5 posts within a medieval kingdom... But what i didnt know was that each of the pubs has their number relating to the pub in the golden mile. Sometimes it's blatant, like the 12 when Gary opens the door at The Worlds End. Sometimes its blink and you'll miss it subtle. For example, a 5 shots for 4 sign in the cross hands when they come out of the toilets and sit back down again. 2 seconds of footage, but its there. Going to see if i can marathon those three films with commentary when i have a weekend free.
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Red is Dead posted:in the original script, which wright called Crawl, there were meant to be 13. What bothers me about the World's End is the fightscene in the toilets. Both times, before they attack, the blanks hit the hand-dryer and bounce off it to punch our heroes. And I cannot figure out why. I'm assuming there's some significance to it (because it's Edgar Wright) but I'm buggered if I can see it.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:What bothers me about the World's End is the fightscene in the toilets. Both times, before they attack, the blanks hit the hand-dryer and bounce off it to punch our heroes. And I cannot figure out why. I'm assuming there's some significance to it (because it's Edgar Wright) but I'm buggered if I can see it. I'm pretty sure it's them re-turning on the hand-dryer so that it's still noisy enough that the other pub-goers cannot hear that there's a fight going on in there.
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Averrences posted:I'm pretty sure it's them re-turning on the hand-dryer so that it's still noisy enough that the other pub-goers cannot hear that there's a fight going on in there. That would be my assumption as well. But I agree it almost doesn't make sense. The ten (well, 9) of them are in there knocking seven shades of poo poo out of each other. doors flying off hinges, sinks and mirrors breaking...and a hand dryer stops the other blanks from coming in? In the fight scenes stuntmen walkthroughs (also blu-ray extra), the middle blank gets thrown by pegg and does the spiderman on the wall...then rebounds off to start the fight proper. Awesome looking visual. Basically - get the blu-ray, its loving awesome.
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Subtle TV moment, but I can't find the Arrested Development thread and it's dead anyway. In season 4, George Michael appears to be developing security software called "Fake Block" in his dorm, an obvious nod to "The Social Network" and the running joke that Jesse Eisenberg is Michael Cera 2.0. What I didn't notice was that the constant presence of twins and their antagonistic attitude toward George Michael is probably a reference to the Winklevoss twins and their dispute with Mark Zuckerberg over Facebook.
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I believe it was mentioned in the DVD commentary that the hand-dryer being punched was, indeed, to mask the sounds of a mass fight. Which doesn't make any sense because a brawl between five 40-something guys and five blanks; complete with wall tiles being shattered and stalls broken apart is going to be pretty loving noisy and a hand-dryer won't cover that up.
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All on Black posted:Subtle TV moment, but I can't find the Arrested Development thread and it's dead anyway. Good catch and I thought I had heard them all. Nice.
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When Lucille announces to the triad ladies that she found a loophole to the smoking ban in the prison, they all repeat it to each other, each one mispronouncing it a different way. Mrs. Oh, played by Bobby Lee in drag, clearly pronounces it 'RuPaul.'
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Justin Godscock posted:I believe it was mentioned in the DVD commentary that the hand-dryer being punched was, indeed, to mask the sounds of a mass fight. That may have actually been the gag.
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:That may have actually been the gag. That's how I saw it. They hit the dryer to cover the noise and immediately start smashing things and making way more noise than it could cover. I thought it was funny though not subtle.
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