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Oracle posted:Was Ollie supposed to have fainted/passed out at the end there? I think after Slade stabbed Moira, Ollie just went into shock.
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Bad Moon posted:I thought he had those machete things on the island? On the island he wields these, not regular ol' katana.
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Wasn't this episode originally supposed to be the Flash backdoor pilot? (episode 20 or so?). I'm curious if killing Moira was planned for the end of this season somewhere else but then they realized they had to sort of fill in the empty slot after they immediately took Flash to pilot after he showed up in Arrow.
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quote:I think after Slade stabbed Moira, Ollie just went into shock.
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Sober posted:Car crash concussion + Slade has a gun trained on your mother and sister + Roy gave you a broken leg + Slade tied you up with Australian Special Forces knots = can't really get up and do much. We prefer to use the culturally accurate Aboriginal word 'zip ties'.
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Sober posted:Wasn't this episode originally supposed to be the Flash backdoor pilot? (episode 20 or so?). I'm curious if killing Moira was planned for the end of this season somewhere else but then they realized they had to sort of fill in the empty slot after they immediately took Flash to pilot after he showed up in Arrow. Yeah, it was originally. But that was nixed early enough into production that I'm sure they didn't even have scripts of most of the last half of the season yet.
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EDIT: oh and on some of the stuff we glossed over in this episode - I'm a little bummed out about Sarah being hastily written out there. Plenty of opportunity for her to come back, but it's a little disappointing. Diggle got some dialogue! I liked when Roy first knocked him the hell over, he turns to Felicity and asks "Are you okay?"  Oracle posted:Jesus, that last scene was really well acted. It could have been terrible but Susanna Thompson and Willa Holland sold the hell out of that. When Moira told Thea not to look my gut twisted. But I have real mixed feelings about them killing off Moira, and I'm kind of disappointed about it. I actually think it would have been a better move to kill off Thea. For one thing, I would've liked a bigger discussion between Ollie and Moira about her knowing he was the Arrow ("Sorry I shot you that one time"), then there's the fact she has always been shaping up to be a full on villain in my eyes. I mean she's been involved in some grim, quite evil stuff since the end of the pilot. She has access to murderous mercenaries, she has Ra's Al Ghul on speeddial, we haven't explored quite how corrupt she is and I still feel like we're not entirely sure what role she played in the shipwreck. (But maybe that's just me) And although she pretty much did the same thing every week, the actress played the smug smart evil part reeeeally well. Reminiscent of Sherry Palmer from 24. (Also y'all can criticise the wig all you want, she was a stone cold fox with the longer hair in those flashbacks.) VagueRant fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Apr 24, 2014 |
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jscolon2.0 posted:Not sure what the spoilers are about, since this obviously can never happen on the show, but Connor is Ollie's kid by Sandra Moonhawke. Note that the girl that Ollie got pregnant never had her name mentioned. SirDan3k posted:That wasn't Connor it was a kid who fell into comic book limbo so people tend to remember it as being Connor. Connor was from a hippie ex-girlfriend from much earlier in his life. Yup, totally got the names confused. Guess I should stop saying how the show differs from the comics without, y'know, making sure I remember the comics correctly. 
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Apr 24, 2014 06:50
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On the plus side for Ollie, looks like his money problem has been solved for him.
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That sure was a lot of laughable/boring filler before we got to those 7 minutes of  CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE ...sums this show pretty well.
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Oracle posted:Jesus, that last scene was really well acted. It could have been terrible but Susanna Thompson and Willa Holland sold the hell out of that. When Moira told Thea not to look my gut twisted. For a second I thought Slade was going to walk away and him using the katana instead of the gun felt off, since he was going for the whole mirror of what he thinks happened on the island. I think Ollie just collapsed out of sheer despair and pain. Not really passed out, just... like when you flop yourself on a bed after a long day.
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A little interview with Moira Queen, I assume this site is legit: http://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/04/arrow-exclusive-susanna-thompson-speaks-on-starling-city-shocker/quote:TVF: Talk to me about that conversation when you found out this was what was going to happen.
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 RIP Moira. God drat I'm gonna miss evil mom. VagueRant posted:And although she pretty much did the same thing every week, the actress played the smug smart evil part reeeeally well. Reminiscent of Sherry Palmer from 24. (Also y'all can criticise the wig all you want, she was a stone cold fox with the longer hair in those flashbacks.) So true. Looking back, the reveal about her knowing about Oliver's night life was the nail in the coffin, but I enjoyed watching her as a schemer. It was 7 minutes of edge of your seat suspense, and I'm immensely satisfied, but man.  You were too
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gently caress. Watching both this and Game of Thrones is not at all good for my sanity. Moira was hands-down my favorite character in this show.
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I have so many emotions about this show it's not even funny. That final scene was just...goddamn. And is it just me or is Caity Lotz actually getting really good? She's carrying herself and her words differently than how she used to. Well, except for that weird "You have to treasure your precious light away from my darkity darkness" speech or whatever it was she said to Oliver. I don't think anyone could have saved those lines. Unfortunately, I also have to say there's a part of me that really hopes the baby Arrow isn't Connor Hawke...who, coincidentally, is my third favorite DC superhero of all time. Connor is mixed-race, his mother is supposed to be black-Asian mixed, and the actress they got for this character -- whoever she is -- is...well, obviously not that. This show already has a problem with whitewashing and I really wouldn't want that problem exacerbated.
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JayMax posted:On the plus side for Ollie, looks like his money problem has been solved for him. "I've been stealing the checks you mom pays for her life insurance with out of the mailbox... Slade out."
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Apr 24, 2014 07:36
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It's just you. Caity isn't getting better. Her scene with Oliver about leaving was the worst part of the episode because her inability to pull off any kind of serious scenes.
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Maybe I just like her whenever she's putting down Oliver because it's always so accurate.
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Caity is not a good actress but she's great at stunt work and boy can the girl dance, so most of us give her a pass.
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Obeast posted:I don't think he'll go as far as telling her he's The Arrow, but I'm sure he'll confirm that he and Slade were on the island, what happened to Shado, and that Slade still blames Ollie about said incident. I guarantee that by episode 1 of season 3 at the latest, Thea will know. Everyone else knows, this whole season has been telling Ollie that keeping secrets from people he cares about is a HORRIBLE idea, often literally, often through Thea just outright saying it. Deadpool posted:It's just you. Caity isn't getting better. Her scene with Oliver about leaving was the worst part of the episode because her inability to pull off any kind of serious scenes. OK, this argument is tearing this thread apart. Everybody choose their favorite Files sister, and then we fight, whoever wins gets to declare the other one The Worst Character Whose Actress Is Bad And/Or Looks Funny.
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BrianWilly posted:Maybe I just like her whenever she's putting down Oliver because it's always so accurate. But she wasn't putting him down at all. She was saying that he was a better person than her.
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Deadpool posted:But she wasn't putting him down at all. She was saying that he was a better person than her.
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Deadpool posted:It's just you. Caity isn't getting better. Her scene with Oliver about leaving was the worst part of the episode because her inability to pull off any kind of serious scenes. You're completely right, and I have no doubt a great actress could have pulled off that scene, but it is totally true that those lines were pretty awful. I think that what is happening, if anything, is that the show runners are learning her limits, getting better at putting Lotz in the kind of scenes she can handle. Usually.
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Pretty sure Sara was just fumbling for an excuse to say "I'm going to leave town now, but good luck fighting Slade on your own!"
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I'm trying to think of a truly bad episode from this season, any one have any suggestion. I kind of feelany episode is at least good or great. I can't htink of a Huntress run that this season has had?
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Hollismason posted:I'm trying to think of a truly bad episode from this season, any one have any suggestion. I kind of feelany episode is at least good or great. I can't htink of a Huntress run that this season has had? Birds of Prey was actually an ok episode (though I may be just the minority of goons who like Huntress episodes). It also brought us Rambo Cop.
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I like how the show has totally turned around what I wanted out of this season. At the beginning I was dreading Oliver and Slade having a falling out because I liked Slade so much. Now I cannot wait for Oliver to kill him deader than dead. I like actually wanting the villain to die. He's a cool villain and all, but sometimes shows will make the villain too cool so that you want to keep him around indefinitely. They've done a good job of really making me want that moment where Oliver finally does get him. I don't know if they will do that, but I can't wait for the moment if they do.
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Hollismason posted:I'm trying to think of a truly bad episode from this season, any one have any suggestion. I kind of feelany episode is at least good or great. I can't htink of a Huntress run that this season has had? And there have been a few weak filler-y episodes along the way, but that's kind of expected. Deadpool posted:He's a cool villain and all, but sometimes shows will make the villain too cool so that you want to keep him around indefinitely. As for Slade, I'm wondering if they'll cure him of his madness after the big final battle and he'll be repentant and run off and become a recurring anti-hero.
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I liked the Clock King one. I think the Shrapnel episode was one that I specifically thought "Meh, not that great," but that may be because it just came off of a hiatus, right on the heels of a really drat awesome episode.
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VagueRant posted:Pretty sure Sara was just fumbling for an excuse to say "I'm going to leave town now, but good luck fighting Slade on your own!" I have to go now, my planet needs me.
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OmniBeer posted:To be fair, Moira revealed that she knew and said she was proud of him. Someone needs to make a version of  with a Citizen Kane style slow clap just for posts like this.Also, next weeks minimalist preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bhcGiSlvqw Crunk Abortion fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Apr 24, 2014 |
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I'm pretty confident shes gone to find The League for help. Because you know, Ollies to proud/stupid/stoned to ask for it.
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Rocksicles posted:I'm pretty confident shes gone to find The League for help. Because you know, Ollies to proud/stupid/stoned to ask for it. Look, sometimes a man has to set his own goddamn fantasy football roster without anybodies help. How else do you win the Shiva Bowl?
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Bad Moon posted:Look, sometimes a man has to set his own goddamn fantasy football roster without anybodies help. How else do you win the Shiva Bowl? Oliver already won the Shiva Bowl in season one.
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I think help from Chalupa Batman would come in handy right about now
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I really want to see what kind of rig they made for the shots where Slade/Roy on Mirakuru grabs someone and throws them around like it's nothing. Slade on the freighter pulling back Ollie, Slade grabbing Sarah mid-jump and now Roy with some random punk. It's clearly a practical effect with a stuntman/woman and it's really selling just how powerful that Mirakuru poo poo makes you. Losing Moira was a real gut punch. Once she revealed she knew about Ollie it was an obvious sign of doom but I totally expected Malcolm to come in and save his daughter and her mother. I wonder if anyone will remind Ollie they had Slade at their mercy before but handed him over to the cops instead of throwing him into a wood chipper.
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CeeJee posted:I really want to see what kind of rig they made for the shots where Slade/Roy on Mirakuru grabs someone and throws them around like it's nothing. Slade on the freighter pulling back Ollie, Amell stated there was no trick to him getting slammed into the boat.That he had the bruises to show for it, that he was actually getting slammed into the boat
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Wow, what an episode. I am glad that they finally redeemed Moira, though that should have told me that she was going to die.
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